Cleveland Priest excommunicated

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Can bishops excommunicate? Or do they merely publicly recognize latae sententiae excommunications?
 
link doesn’t work,and searching there is nothing about a priest excommunicated
 
The priest had started a break-away church. He excommunicated himself, so to speak, for heresy. The Bishop was just informing all of his status.
 
sw85 said:
Can bishops excommunicate? Or do they merely publicly recognize latae sententiae excommunications?
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Yes, bishops not only can excommunicate but it is part of their job to excommunicate. Not all excommunications are latae sententiae.
 
sw85 said:
Can bishops excommunicate? Or do they merely publicly recognize latae sententiae excommunications?
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Hello,

A diocesan bishop could establish law and threaten penalties–including excommunication–for the violation of that law (see cc. 1315-1319). In this case, however (as already noted), the bishop “declared” the automatic excommunication already incurred by the priest for schism. This can only be pronounced after a judicial or administrative process (cf., e.g., c. 1341). The bishop has to follow the process required by law (cc. 1717-1728). In this case, it probably was not a difficult process–the priest’s schismatic actions are there for all to see. It would just be a matter of demonstrating the warnings of the bishop (if you do this, you will be in schism and excommunicated) and the obstinance of the priest.

Hopefully, this will help wake this priest up–he’s in bad shape.

Dan
 
So, the parish closed his church, and he and his congregation decided to open a space for worship in an office building (presumably as opposed to being merged with a new congregation)…and that means excommunication?

Not that a Priest isn’t supposed to give full defference to his superiors - but I can’t help but think the “pick your battles” line applies here. Being branded a schismatic on par with the Palmarians or SSPX seems a little…🤷
 
mburn16 said:
So, the parish closed his church, and he and his congregation decided to open a space for worship in an office building (presumably as opposed to being merged with a new congregation)…and that means excommunication?
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Yes it does. No priest has the authority to do such a thing and I guarantee he was told to stop by the biishop before it ever got to this point. We are not protestants. The bishop is in charge in his diocese.

Peace

Tim
 
sw85 said:
Can bishops excommunicate? Or do they merely publicly recognize latae sententiae excommunications?
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Yes, they can. In this case, however, it was simply a recognition. See here:
dans0622 said:
Hello,

A diocesan bishop could establish law and threaten penalties–including excommunication–for the violation of that law (see cc. 1315-1319). In this case, however (as already noted), the bishop “declared” the automatic excommunication already incurred by the priest for schism. This can only be pronounced after a judicial or administrative process (cf., e.g., c. 1341). The bishop has to follow the process required by law (cc. 1717-1728). In this case, it probably was not a difficult process–the priest’s schismatic actions are there for all to see. It would just be a matter of demonstrating the warnings of the bishop (if you do this, you will be in schism and excommunicated) and the obstinance of the priest.

Hopefully, this will help wake this priest up–he’s in bad shape.

Dan
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mfrances said:
The priest had started a break-away church. He excommunicated himself, so to speak, for heresy. The Bishop was just informing all of his status.
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No, for schism.
 
Huh, interesting. And, canonically, a bishop’s excommunication is the same as the Pope’s, perhaps with the exception that the Pope’s cannot be appealed?
 
mfrances said:
The priest had started a break-away church. He excommunicated himself, so to speak, for heresy. The Bishop was just informing all of his status.
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wait a minute, he was a monsignor and he refused to close his church and disband his parish community along with several other parishes in the diocese who pettitioned the vatican that their parishes could not be closed under canon law, the vatican upheld their claims. the parishes were ordered to be reopened. So, there was no heresy involved, there was disobedience involved. The priest believed that in concscience he must disobey. The whole thing has been about disobedience not heresy. The breakaway church if they really are a breakaway church refused to reassimilate into the newly reopened church and the priest in question resigned knowing that he would not be reassigned to his former parish, which is a non-geographical parish and continues on as the community of st. peter.

There is no heresy involved, and it is curious that the bishop has excommunicated during this period of the abscence of a pope.
 
sw85 said:
Huh, interesting. And, canonically, a bishop’s excommunication is the same as the Pope’s, perhaps with the exception that the Pope’s cannot be appealed?
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Yes. Also, for an interesting bit, the Orthodox can legally excommunicate Catholics, but who cares?
 
Eastsideteacher said:
Follow up on his followers…thought the comment made about Canon Law getting in the way of the following a true brand of Christianity was very telling…very protestant attitude.

cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/03/post_111.html#incart_river_default
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I’m struggling to understand why the parishioners’ new “community” still exists. They appealed the closure of their parish and won in Rome – no doubt much effort and legal work went into that fight. Then, once the parish is reopened, they choose to throw away all that hard legal work and stay out of communion with the Catholic Church? Sigh.

Prayers being offered.
 
AnastasiaRomano said:
I’m struggling to understand why the parishioners’ new “community” still exists. They appealed the closure of their parish and won in Rome – no doubt much effort and legal work went into that fight. Then, once the parish is reopened, they choose to throw away all that hard legal work and stay out of communion with the Catholic Church? Sigh.

Prayers being offered.
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Maybe they believe in the authority of the Church anymore.
 
I lived in Cleveland for a year… Can’t recall for sure, but I don’t think all parishes were scheduled by the Vatican to be reopened.
 
Deerslyr said:
I lived in Cleveland for a year… Can’t recall for sure, but I don’t think all parishes were scheduled by the Vatican to be reopened.
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I don’t live in Cleveland so I don’t know about all the other parishes, but the articles in this thread state that St. Peter’s did reopen.
 
Deerslyr said:
I lived in Cleveland for a year… Can’t recall for sure, but I don’t think all parishes were scheduled by the Vatican to be reopened.
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I don’t know about all the other parishes who appealled, but the articles in this thread state that St. Peter’s did reopen.
 
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