Climate Change Debate: Pope VS Trump Supporters?

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Ender said:
In the category of “Even paranoids have enemies”, sometimes it is appropriate to call a climate warrior dishonest, because sometimes they really are. I would put Cook’s “study” in that category, along with much that was uncovered by the emails leaked about the activities at the CRU.
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I agree.
None of this rubs off on others - there is no sweeping accusation that applies generically - but the misbehavior of individuals is certainly a valid issue.
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Actually some of it does rub off on others. For example, the University of Queensland and the journal which published the article aided and abetted Cook’s stonewalling. And how did this shoddy study even pass peer review? And once it was published, why didn’t more people denounce Cook et al? Instead, Cook got a nice job at George Mason U. The surrounding academic community rewarded his mendacity and incompetence. And all this happened in just one small sub discipline of climate science (“consensus studies”).

Paleoclimate is an even better example as it is rife with academic dishonesty and lack of standards. The whole community can be rightly condemned for their role in the Hockey Stick Affair.

And then there the IPCC…
 
Theo520 said:
Cooks is a climate activist, or alarmist. Not a scientist in any sense of the word. His research failed to adhere to basic requirements for methodology and execution.

Even if he was a scientist, attacking his research with cause is not the same as attacking scientists as a group.

Also, in reference to Rau’s earlier comment, the climate scientists didn’t “allow” Cook to review and categorize their published abstracts. They had absolutely no part in Cooks ‘research’.
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I agree
 
And then of course - GREEN is not always GREEN as in good …

principia-scientific.org/study-tesla-car-battery-production-releases-as-much-co2-as-8-years-of-driving-on-gas/

SO all those people who have bought electronic cars have not really reduced CO2 emissions nor protected the environment generally - as disposal of those batteries will have to come at some point - with all the ramifications … :rolleyes:

They do have all of that “I am a good steward of the environment and really care more than you deniers” attitude though - to go along with the closer to the building reserved for Fuel Efficient parking spaces 👍
 
YADA said:
And then of course - GREEN is not always GREEN as in good …

principia-scientific.org/study-tesla-car-battery-production-releases-as-much-co2-as-8-years-of-driving-on-gas/

SO all those people who have bought electronic cars have not really reduced CO2 emissions nor protected the environment generally - as disposal of those batteries will have to come at some point - with all the ramifications … :rolleyes:

They do have all of that “I am a good steward of the environment and really care more than you deniers” attitude though - to go along with the closer to the building reserved for Fuel Efficient parking spaces 👍
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Hi yada,

What often remains unexamined and taken for granted is that anti-CO2 options are virtuous and forgoing carbon-based fuels is virtuous, and so on. Talk to people in Nigeria about having no cheap electricity to pump clean water to drink, and then explain why eco-imperialists with the World Bank and UN have been suppressing cheap coal-generated electricity. You will get a whole different take on the issue of fossil fuels and global warming. The same cruel folks who denied Africa DDT and caused millions of deaths and untold misery for the living are the same ones who deny cheap fossil fuel-based energy to the third world.

BTW, our Holy Father needs to get better advisors.
 
Why is it that everyone praises the Pope when he agrees with them but then treats him like he has dementia when he says something they don’t like?
 
IWantGod said:
Why is it that everyone praises the Pope when he agrees with them but then treats him like he has dementia when he says something they don’t like?
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I believe that is what they call ‘Cafeteria Catholicism.’

Every time I hear about these climate reports like the most recent one about how the earth will be 2 degrees Celsius by 2100 and the possible extinction of the emperor penguin and yadda yadda and death and sickness and misery I wanna tear the hair out of my head. It’s **** like that makes me wish I wasn’t getting any older. I don’t want my possible future children and their children to inherit this garbage. I’d prefer if we didn’t continuously pervert this land God made for us due to our own selfish desire and ego.

I am willing to accept whatever the climate scientists put out, provided it comes from the mouth of a genuine scientist and not a politician or bleeding heart Hollywood type. Putting on a concert or making a documentary isn’t going to do anything. Shut up about how bad everything looks and actually ACT, why don’t you!
 
IWantGod said:
Why is it that everyone praises the Pope when he agrees with them but then treats him like he has dementia when he says something they don’t like?
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Please explain why it is praiseworthy to let folks like Paul Ehrlich, Hans Schellnhuber, and Naomi Klein speak at the Vatican?
 
Samwise21 said:
… It’s **** like that makes me wish I wasn’t getting any older. I don’t want my possible future children and their children to inherit this garbage. I’d prefer if we didn’t continuously pervert this land God made for us due to our own selfish desire and ego.

I am willing to accept whatever the climate scientists put out, provided it comes from the mouth of a genuine scientist and not a politician or bleeding heart Hollywood type. …
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Samwise, please listen to me. Don’t let the doomsday propagandists deprive you of hope for the future. They are liars. Things are actually getting better, not worse.

Take, for example, India. 40+ years ago I spent a summer in India, mostly in Bombay. Two years ago my wife and I went back to India and spent a month there. What a change. 40 years ago practically the whole country was wretchedly poor. Today there is a growing middle class. Food is cheap. They even export rice. The country is bursting with economic optimism. Granted, they have a long way to go, but what improvement!

Worldwide, the per capita food supply has never been higher. Things are improving by other measures as well. Check out Bjorn Lomborg’s work.

Regarding climate catastrophism, I can only urge you to don’t accept the party line put out by establishment climate scientists. They are not worthy of belief. For the full story check out this 12 part series: youtube.com/watch?v=UcUkNYgscWA&t=571s
 
tcg asked at the outset: Is Climate change real?

What zactly did he mean by that?
 
What often remains unexamined and taken for granted is that anti-CO2 options are virtuous and forgoing carbon-based fuels is virtuous, and so on. Talk to people in Nigeria about having no cheap electricity to pump clean water to drink, and then explain why eco-imperialists with the World Bank and UN have been suppressing cheap coal-generated electricity. You will get a whole different take on the issue of fossil fuels and global warming. The same cruel folks who denied Africa DDT and caused millions of deaths and untold misery for the living are the same ones who deny cheap fossil fuel-based energy to the third world.
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That’s because the people pushing the green agenda really don’t care. We have to deprogram a lot of our students on this because they think wind and solar are the answer to everything.

When in fact wind turbines have killed endangered birds and solar energy infrastructure has rolled back millions of dollars worth of volunteer conservation efforts. Also, hydropower is the leading cause of extinction of freshwater species.
BTW, our Holy Father needs to get better advisors.
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The Catholic leadership in general had better get its act together because as of now, they won’t get a dime from me until they do.

I am not going to sit here while they continue to pretend that there is some kind of false moral equivalencies between different sides of some issues in order to save face with the First World left which either wants the Church itself destroyed or an earthly vessel for their agenda.
 
Given the irrational behavior of human beings i doubt they would care if climate change is really happening.
 
Hi IWantGod,

You sed: “Why is it that everyone praises the Pope when he agrees with them but then treats him like he has dementia when he says something they don’t like?”

I replied with this question: “Please explain why it is praiseworthy to let folks like Paul Ehrlich, Hans Schellnhuber, and Naomi Klein speak at the Vatican?”
 
SuperLuigi said:
That’s because the people pushing the green agenda really don’t care. We have to deprogram a lot of our students on this because they think wind and solar are the answer to everything.

When in fact wind turbines have killed endangered birds and solar energy infrastructure has rolled back millions of dollars worth of volunteer conservation efforts. Also, hydropower is the leading cause of extinction of freshwater species.
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Besides being a blight on the landscape and certain death for birds, wind farms are an economic boondoggle. Nothing sustainable about them. Our country becomes poorer every time we build a wind tower.

Even more insidious is the push for “sustainable” fuels. In the US we put over 40% of our corn in our gas tanks. The next time there is world-wide commodity crisis, we can maybe talk about whether this is a good idea. And then there are the folks who decry deforestation but applaud palm oil production (a major cause of deforestation). We could go on and on.
 
Hi Luigi,
The Catholic leadership in general had better get its act together because as of now, they won’t get a dime from me until they do.
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They certainly need our prayers.

The Holy Father certainly has surrounded himself with bad advisors on the subject of climate change. The last straw for me was then the Pontifical Academy invited Paul Ehrlich to speak. Ehrlich is the most discredited scientist in the world. His ideology is responsible for the deaths of millions upon millions.
 
Why does Paul Ehrlich have ANY credibility at all? He has been proven wrong so many times in the past.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Why does Paul Ehrlich have ANY credibility at all? He has been proven wrong so many times in the past.
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I dunno. Why does our Holy Father, through his proxies, give credibility to a man who promotes such an evil ideology? It goes against everything which is unique about his papacy, the concern for the poor, speaking truth to power, resisting the spirit of the age. Why why, why?
 
ferdgoodfellow said:
Hi IWantGod,

You sed: “Why is it that everyone praises the Pope when he agrees with them but then treats him like he has dementia when he says something they don’t like?”

I replied with this question: “Please explain why it is praiseworthy to let folks like Paul Ehrlich, Hans Schellnhuber, and Naomi Klein speak at the Vatican?”
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He only was interested in their ideas as they intersected with his ideas. There is nothing wrong with that. They all have some very good points & knowledge re climate change and environmental problems.

The Pope has made it clear that while he accepts the science of climate change, mitigation must be done within Catholic ethics & teachings. You should read his Laudato Si. It is very Catholic.

Also he does not tell us exactly what to do, except for a few suggestions, but tells us in general we must mitigate it, and do so according to Catholic teachings. For instance, he make a statement against abortion in the encyclical and tells us we should mitigate in ways that help, not harm the poor.

I’ve read the works of those people you mention, admire them very much, and find only a few areas where they say things that are in disagreement with Catholic teachings. Those people are not Catholic, after all, and we should not expect everyone in the whole world to know and follow Catholic teachings, but we should put forth efforts to be good in our own lives (such as doing what we can to mitigate CC and engage in charitable works) so that people will want to follow the sweet scent of Catholic teachings.

As for “population control,” there are even Catholic ways to do that – like abstinence makes the heart grow fonder. 🙂
 
Hi Lynn,

Good to see you again.

Please elaborate on what you admire in Ehrlich’s ideas.
 
Why is the issue of climate change such a heated discussion if there is no evidence for it? This thread has a lot of followers.
 
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