Climate Change Debate: Pope VS Trump Supporters?

[ferdgoodfellow]

He only was interested in their ideas as they intersected with his ideas. There is nothing wrong with that.

I can’t help but think it is a scandal that he has given them a platform to spread their ideas. The holy father is giving these folks implicit endorsement.

 

[ferdgoodfellow]

Why is the issue of climate change such a heated discussion if there is no evidence for it? This thread has a lot of followers.

Hi IWG,

The discussion is heated because because rational discourse and debate has been suppressed. The whole field of climate science has become so politicized that no one can raise reasonable scientific questions without being demonized.

Quite simply, establishment climate science, which the Pope has embraced, is corrupt and unworthy of belief. And the larger global warming movement, comprised of a toxic mix of population controllers, globalists, mankind-hating environmentalists, anti-capitalists of all stripes, and rent-seeking crony capitalists, has reveled in his endorsement of their cause. His Holiness needs to fire Sorondo ASAP.

 

[ferdgoodfellow]

Lynn,

Please read this and then explain why you admire the works of Ehrlich, one of the “high priests of the culture of death”: stream.org/paul-ehrlich-vatican/

 

[lynnvinc]

Hi Lynn,

Good to see you again.

Please elaborate on what you admire in Ehrlich’s ideas.

Like his book BETRAYAL OF SCIENCE, but it’s been many years since I’ve read it. Perhaps that’s the work that impressed Pope Francis. See
books.google.co.in/books?id=4Hru_AoIaHIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Paul+R.+Ehrlich+climate+change&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2iO
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Sorry I don’t have good Internet these days

 

[ferdgoodfellow]

Like his book BETRAYAL OF SCIENCE, but it’s been many years since I’ve read it. Perhaps that’s the work that impressed Pope Francis. See
books.google.co.in/books?id=4Hru_AoIaHIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Paul+R.+Ehrlich+climate+change&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2iO
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Sorry I don’t have good Internet these days

Hi Lynn,

I will try to read it.

But in the mean time, what do you think about his Population
Bomb and his role in the anti-human population movement?

 

[lynnvinc]

Hi Lynn,

I will try to read it.

But in the mean time, what do you think about his Population
Bomb and his role in the anti-human population movement?

I’m only familiar with its ideas, which seem to be based on the ideas of Malthus, who pointed out that populations grow geometrically, which will eventually outstrip crop acreage and production, which only grows arithmetically. These are legitimate concerns, because if there is not enough food for all the people, people may suffer starvation, wars, and strife.

OTOH, a more modern theory seems to be more appropriate to the world situation today, “the demographic transition theory” – which says in the past there was a high birth rate and a high death rate (which kept the population stable), but as societies modernize the death rate decreases 1st (due to better medicine, food etc), while the birth rate remains high, which causes the population to increase for a while, but eventually as people see their children are surviving into adulthood and as modern life does not require the farm labor of children, then the birth rate also declines, and the end state is the population stabilizes. These is what seems to be happening, so I tend to go along with that. You can look it up. Here are some great presentations on this by the Swedish demographer, Hans Rosling: youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo (you can look up his other ones)

(BTW, Ehrlich is not a demographer, but a biologist, so his works on climate change and how it affects biota are probably more authoritative).

After doing a web search, I found another writing by or about him, which may be the one the Pope was impressed with – HOPE ON EARTH see press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/H/bo17588109.html

Aside from demographic theory, CC is threatening to harm food production, esp after 2050, so even if the population stabilizes we are in for a very rough ride. That is my area of interest.

 

[lynnvinc]

It has also occurred to me that the Pope may be inviting some to the Vatican whom he wishes to evangelize and convert to more Catholic thinking.

My sister-in-law just told me how he invited a bunch of prostitutes and because of the concern and love he showed them, they have renounced their profession.

Come to think of it, this the the way of Jesus!

 

[Theo520]

Why is the issue of climate change such a heated discussion if there is no evidence for it? This thread has a lot of followers.

There is plenty of scientific evidence and data related to AGW.

The problem is warmist tend to ignore the actual data, because it doesn’t support their narrative.

 

[lynnvinc]

Been looking at a number of Ehrlich’s recent books & most seem very good & could be the reason the Pope invited him. Several are about climate change. It seems he is very concerned about certain threats to life on earth & should not be slandered as being evil.

 

[lynnvinc]

There is plenty of scientific evidence and data related to AGW.

The problem is warmist tend to ignore the actual data, because it doesn’t support their narrative.

It’s the denialists who are dead wrong & use unscrupulous ways to make others reject the data & science that show global warming

 

[IWantGod]

It’s the denialists who are dead wrong & use unscrupulous ways to make others reject the data & science that show global warming

You are like a light in a very dark room.

 

[ferdgoodfellow]

Been looking at a number of Ehrlich’s recent books & most seem very good & could be the reason the Pope invited him. Several are about climate change. It seems he is very concerned about certain threats to life on earth & should not be slandered as being evil.

I don’t think Ehrlich has renounced his Malthusianism. He proudly emasculated himself after he and his wife’s one child. I can’t think of anyone more influential in promoting a one child policy for the planet, by any means necessary. So you don’t think he is one of the “high priests of the culture of death?” Does his concern for global warming outweigh the evil ideology he has spent his lifetime promoting?

 

[lynnvinc]

I don’t think Ehrlich has renounced his Malthusianism. He proudly emasculated himself after he and his wife’s one child. I can’t think of anyone more influential in promoting a one child policy for the planet, by any means necessary. So you don’t think he is one of the “high priests of the culture of death?” Does his concern for global warming outweigh the evil ideology he has spent his lifetime promoting?

The Chinese?

Non-Catholic do such things, as my father did.

Again I tend to follow dem transition theory, but would not slander Malthus or followers. But it does seem Ehrlich proves DTT rather than Malthus by having a smaller family.

And there are acceptable Catholic methods like abstinence - which is even a good practice for spiritual reasons. Except that our food & environment are so full of syn hormones it makes that difficult

 

[Rau]

…Except that our food & environment are so full of syn hormones it makes that difficult

What is the effect of these “syn hormones”?

 

[Theo520]

It’s the denialists who are dead wrong & use unscrupulous ways to make others reject the data & science that show global warming

So data that doesn’t agree with you is “BAD DATA”

You should read up on the scientific method.
If the data doesn’t support your theory, it’s likely your theory that is in error.