Climate change fears

[Matt25]

uk.news.yahoo.com/30012006/344/pm-voices-climate-change-fears.html

Tony Blair says the risk of climate change may be more serious than previously thought, in a new report based on Government-sponsored research into global warming. The report raises fears that an Antarctic ice sheet is melting, which could lead to sea levels rising by 16ft. It also warns of large-scale irreversible disruption if temperatures rise above 3C - well within the range of climate change projections for the century…

…the Prime Minister writes: "It is clear from the work presented that the risks of climate change may well be greater than we thought. “It is now plain that the emission of greenhouse gases, associated with industrialisation and economic growth from a world population that has increased six-fold in 200 years, is causing global warming at a rate that is unsustainable.”…

In the book, Prof Rapley says a previous report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change dismissing worries about the ice sheet’s stability had to be revised. He writes: “The last IPCC report characterised Antarctica as a slumbering giant in terms of climate change. I would say it is now an awakened giant. There is real concern.”

 

[contemplative]

MSNBC has this article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11079935/The weather is very peculiar here in Western NY. Don’t get me wrong…I’m not complaining…I like the warmer temperatures but so far this year there is no real winter weather to speak of here! It is a balmy 50 degrees here! Unbelievable!

 

[Jeffrey]

uk.news.yahoo.com/30012006/344/pm-voices-climate-change-fears.html

Tony Blair says the risk of climate change may be more serious than previously thought, in a new report based on Government-sponsored research into global warming. The report raises fears that an Antarctic ice sheet is melting, which could lead to sea levels rising by 16ft. It also warns of large-scale irreversible disruption if temperatures rise above 3C - well within the range of climate change projections for the century…

…the Prime Minister writes: "It is clear from the work presented that the risks of climate change may well be greater than we thought. “It is now plain that the emission of greenhouse gases, associated with industrialisation and economic growth from a world population that has increased six-fold in 200 years, is causing global warming at a rate that is unsustainable.”…

In the book, Prof Rapley says a previous report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change dismissing worries about the ice sheet’s stability had to be revised. He writes: “The last IPCC report characterised Antarctica as a slumbering giant in terms of climate change. I would say it is now an awakened giant. There is real concern.”

 

[Shoshana]

contemplative:

MSNBC has this article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11079935/The weather is very peculiar here in Western NY. Don’t get me wrong…I’m not complaining…I like the warmer temperatures but so far this year there is no real winter weather to speak of here! It is a balmy 50 degrees here! Unbelievable!

Here in the Niagara Falls, Ontario area the weather is the same…no real winter to speak of. Not complaining about the balm, which ranges from 50-60 F. but concerned…

 

[contemplative]

Shoshana:

Here in the Niagara Falls, Ontario area the weather is the same…no real winter to speak of. Not complaining about the balm, which ranges from 50-60 F. but concerned…

I can understand a 1-7 day stretch of balmy weather…but not weeks on end! The weather man is predicting a return to more seasonal weather this weekend but it won’t be too bad…not the usual stormy and subzero stuff…

 

[Shoshana]

contemplative:

I can understand a 1-7 day stretch of balmy weather…but not weeks on end! The weather man is predicting a return to more seasonal weather this weekend but it won’t be too bad…not the usual stormy and subzero stuff…

Something is up…my husband they haven’t had this kind of weather in 75 years! But I do not think it was for such a stretch of time! We have a couple of days of cold weather and it goes back to the 50-60’s. I hope we don’t pay for this, one way or an another…

 

[Nohome]

contemplative:

I can understand a 1-7 day stretch of balmy weather…but not weeks on end! The weather man is predicting a return to more seasonal weather this weekend but it won’t be too bad…not the usual stormy and subzero stuff…

Here in Iowa, we just closed one of the warmest January’s in all recorded history. I’ve been driving a motorcycle to work!

While one can’t comment on climatic trends based on one winter, it has been nice not fighting the snow.

 

[contemplative]

Nohome:

Here in Iowa, we just closed one of the warmest January’s in all recorded history. I’ve been driving a motorcycle to work!

While one can’t comment on climatic trends based on one winter, it has been nice not fighting the snow.

very nice…warm enough to drive the motorcycle…

I can say we’ve had several consecutive mild winters here…not complaining…but a bit concerned…

 

[Nohome]

contemplative:

very nice…warm enough to drive the motorcycle…

I can say we’ve had several consecutive mild winters here…not complaining…but a bit concerned…

Well, it’s official. Iowa has not had this warm a January since 1880! I too am a bit concerned. We are way behind in rainfall and we are the top producer of corn and soy in the nation.

If you think oil is a concern, wait till we run low on food!

 

[Chickamauga]

The current warming trend is nothing new. Trust in God and fear not.

…, high temperatures - similar to those observed in the twentieth century before 1990 - occurred around AD 1000 to 1100, and minimum temperatures that are about 0.7K below the average of 1961-90 occurred around AD 1600. This large natural variability in the past suggests an important role of natural multicentennial variability that is likely to continue.

junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Proxies_Glance.htm

 

[AndyF]

uk.news.yahoo.com/30012006/344/pm-voices-climate-change-fears.html

Tony Blair says the risk of climate change may be more serious than previously thought, in a new report based on Government-sponsored research into global warming. The report raises fears that an Antarctic ice sheet is melting, which could lead to sea levels rising by 16ft. It also warns of large-scale irreversible disruption if temperatures rise above 3C - well within the range of climate change projections for the century…

…the Prime Minister writes: "It is clear from the work presented that the risks of climate change may well be greater than we thought. “It is now plain that the emission of greenhouse gases, associated with industrialisation and economic growth from a world population that has increased six-fold in 200 years, is causing global warming at a rate that is unsustainable.”…

In the book, Prof Rapley says a previous report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change dismissing worries about the ice sheet’s stability had to be revised. He writes: “The last IPCC report characterised Antarctica as a slumbering giant in terms of climate change. I would say it is now an awakened giant. There is real concern.”

Naaaa. If we are to believe that font of wisdom on everything, Bush, there is no danger at all. In fact he chucked the Kyoto accord in favor of the economy, which goes to prove when the opposite is true, that when the globe needs the US, the US is nowhere to be found.

Andy

 

[AndyF]

Shoshana:

Here in the Niagara Falls, Ontario area the weather is the same…no real winter to speak of. Not complaining about the balm, which ranges from 50-60 F. but concerned…

Probably a pre-cursor of the summer we’re going to get, mid 40’s.

Andy

 

[Orogeny]

AndyF:

Naaaa. If we are to believe that font of wisdom on everything, Bush, there is no danger at all. In fact he chucked the Kyoto accord in favor of the economy, which goes to prove when the opposite is true, that when the globe needs the US, the US is nowhere to be found.

Andy

Kyoto would not have changed anything. The climate is warming with or without human impact.

One of the biggest worries I have regarding the melting of the ice caps is possible disruption of the gulf stream. If that happens, those of you in the British Isles will be in for some incredible weather very quickly. That current helps moderate temperatures in northern europe. If it is no longer there, it will get much colder quickly.

Peace

Tim

 

[norbert]

Orogeny:

Kyoto would not have changed anything. The climate is warming with or without human impact.

Peace

Tim

Why do you say that? The thermal science behind the greenhouse effect is well-understood, and we know that concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased significantly in the modern era, and we have good reason to think that mankind is responsible for those gases. The rate of change of warming also, supposedly, is greater than would be expected in any “natural cycle.”

Maybe humans aren’t responsible for warming, but maybe we are. Maybe it’s too late to do anything about it, but maybe it’s not. Since the consequences of continued warming really could be catastrophic, it seems a precautionary approach - reduced emissions, etc - makes a lot of sense.

 

[Shoshana]

On discovery today, they said that China’s fumes are reaching the US and worse of all, their fumes will have increased 4 times in the next 15 minutes…

 

[Orogeny]

norbert:

Why do you say that? The thermal science behind the greenhouse effect is well-understood, and we know that concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased significantly in the modern era, and we have good reason to think that mankind is responsible for those gases. The rate of change of warming also, supposedly, is greater than would be expected in any “natural cycle.”

Maybe I should have been clearer. Warming is occuring with or without human contribution of greenhouse gasses. It’s not the first time in history that it has happened. Perhaps the increase is faster, perhaps it is not. The fact of the matter is that Kyoto exempted countries like China that emit very large amounts of greenhouse gasses. Since the treaty was not to be implemented across the board, it was not strictly based on science. Obviously, politics was a large player in that treaty, and as such, it would not have been effective.

Peace

Tim

 

[Al_Masetti]

Shoshana:

Something is up…my husband they haven’t had this kind of weather in 75 years! But I do not think it was for such a stretch of time! We have a couple of days of cold weather and it goes back to the 50-60’s. I hope we don’t pay for this, one way or an another…

If global warming is 50 degrees per year, then in four more years the temperature will be above the boiling point and we will all be doomed.

The only remedy is to shut off all power generating plants and park all cars and planes immediately.

 

[Al_Masetti]

p://online.wsj.com/article/SB113876401925561800.html?mod=opinion_m

Please read this and if you have difficulty reaching the URL, let me know.

[The URL at the bottom might work better.]

Here are excerpts from Jenkins’ article on man-made global warming. It appeared in the Wall Street Journal op-ed page on Wednesday Feb 1, 2006

By HOLMAN W. JENKINS, JR.

A Global Warming Worksheet
February 1, 2006;PageA15

… But even if a change one degree over the past 100 years ] is measured, how do we know it’s manmade? Giant, mile-thick sheaths of ice have come and gone from North America in recent millennia. In our unstable and evolving planet, temperature is often either rising or falling. Who knows whether a trend is the product of human activity or natural?

The answer is nobody. All we have is hypothesis. …

Politicians adopt views that are popular in order to be popular. Scientists subscribe to theories that later are proved to be wrong. There are “belief” processes at work even in the community of climate researchers.

So how else might an intelligent layperson judge the matter?

Well, he could begin by evaluating the claim that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased from 0.028% to 0.036% without necessarily taking the measurements himself. This finding is so straightforward, it’s reasonable to assume it would have been widely debunked if unreliable.

That’s because all things are not equal: The climate is a vast, complex and poorly understood system. Scientists must resort to elaborate computer models to address a multiplicity of variables and feedbacks before they can plausibly suggest (choice of verb is deliberate here) that the net effect of increased carbon dioxide is the observed increase in temperature.

****** Models are not the climate, and may not accurately reflect the workings of the climate, especially when claiming to detect changes that are small and hard to differentiate from natural changes…

Note this doesn’t make our conscientious citizen a global warming “denier.” It makes him a person who recognizes that the case isn’t proved and probably can’t be proved with current knowledge.

Likewise, a study that made news worldwide last month purported to show the death of frogs from warming. It did not show the death of frogs from manmade warming – the study contributed zero evidence one way or another on a human role in climate change. You would have thought otherwise from the media reports. …

Myanna Lahsen, an anthropologist who spent several years observing and interviewing staff at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, shows in a new paper that even climate modelers themselves, who appreciate better than anyone the limits of their work, nonetheless slip into unwarranted certainty in public. She quotes one: “It is easy to get caught up in it; you start to believe that what happens in your model must be what happens in the real world. And often that is not true.”

All this explains why, inevitably and unfortunately, today’s debate over global warming revolves almost exclusively around the status and motives of spokesmen for opposing viewpoints, rather than the science and its limits. Yet this is a story of progress.

Tony Blair, whose government has been a steady sounder of climate warnings, now says he recognizes the improbability of nations sacrificing their economic growth based on uncertain climate science. …

A final thought that probably won’t please the environmentalists: Whatever the truth of climate change turns out to be, today’s vast investment in climate research will likely lead someday to technologies that really will allow us to alter local and global weather.
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[Al_Masetti]

The earth is 7000 miles in diameter. The earth’s crust is only about 30 miles thick. Our deepest exploration for oil is a few miles; the deepest mine is about one mile. The rest of the earth is a molten mass of liquid rock and metal at thousands of degrees. It’s NOT a big blue marble; it IS a giant liquid centered “chocolate covered liquid centered cherry candy”… all liquid with a very thin crust.

And the surface is constantly on the move… the “continents” are floating and drifting. There are HOLES in the crust – at least two thousand of them, maybe more, and they “leak” molten metal, molten rock, all kinds of gases [including Freon and other CFC’s], and all sorts of noxious things.

The atmosphere is about 4 miles thick. A very thin layer that has been there for millions of years that have seen impacts from meteors, huge volcanic eruptions, all sorts of things.

This 7000 mile diameter ball has a magnetic field that changes polarity every few years… the poles move enough that navigational charts need the magnetic north changed about every ten years and the polarity reverses every hundred thousand years (and is now over due by a hundred thousand years… so any day now…)

This whole shebang is spinning at high speed (about 1000 miles per hour at the equator) in a vacuum. AND is bombarded by something called the solar wind. The solar corpuscular energy is both powerful and erratic. At its peak, it shorts out electrical grids and expands the atmosphere enough to cause satellites to burn up. Its effects can be seen in the arctic regions as the aurora borealis. [The magnetic field causes “magnetic funnels” at the two poles.]

The planet Earth is around 5 billion years old. However, recorded history only goes back a few thousand years. (Fossil and geological records are only barely beginning to be understood AND some “scientists” are being unmasked as having lied about the data.)

Some data are ignored, such as the data and writings of Gordon Dobson. He’s dead so he can’t speak for himself. But others are still alive, but politically incorrect and it’s difficult for them to be presented by the main stream media. Suggest you visit www.sepp.org for the weekly newsletter of Fred Singer. In addition, Art Robinson publishes a monthly hard copy newsletter; some back issues are at www.oism.org and look for Access to Energy. Also visit Google and search for the work of Gordon Gribble who is one of the leaders in the search for naturally occuring organohalogens, which the popular media / main stream media claim do not exist. Gribble and his associates have found more than 4000 naturally occuring organohalogens. There is a periodic conference on the subject in the Netherlands.

We are now coming out of one of many “little ice ages”…this one from 700 or 500 years ago to about 200 years ago.

About 1500 years ago, the sun stopped its sun spots according to Chinese records. The temperature plunged.

About 5000 years ago, the temperature was much higher than it is now.

About 75000 years ago, an ice age started and lasted until about 10000 years ago.

We do know that many of these climate events occur periodically. They happen over and over. But we do know there are 11-year cycles, 22-year cycles, 13000 year cycles, 50000 year cycles and many others. I cataloged some of them in a paper I self-published. It will give you places to start looking. Visit www.albertmasetti.com and click on newsletters and read the most recent newsletter. It’s a couple of years old now, but the cycles run for thousands of years, so it’s still accurate.

No one knows the mechanism for the generation of greenhouse gases. It’s all speculation. However, there is a time lag between earth temperature and gas concentrations, so it appears that the temperature changes CAUSE the increase in greenhouse gases, not the other way around. Refer to your high school and college chem courses for the various gas laws that describe the behavior / relationships of temperature, pressure, and volume. [PV=nRT, etc.]

Data is absolutely essential. Visit www.sidc.oma.be click on archives and then on graphics for the latest and historic solar emissions data.

The relationship between solar emissions and the earth’s atmosphere and environment was published in a report by the National Security Agency. There is a copy available under “links” and then under the Gerson report at www.albertmasetti.com

Check this stuff out, Google the people named, and get back to us.

 

[Lance]

It just make sense that we should all do our part not to pollute the earth we live on but just as I am unwilling to make my home as sterile as an operating room, I am unwilling to bet the future of our economy on Kyoto.