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At best, a projection is a wish or a fairey tale.
 
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MonteRCMS said:
At best, a projection is a wish or a fairey tale.
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But that “fairy tale” was presented by the same source that presented the fact Ender relied on to support his point. Are you claiming that all projections are fairy tales? Or just the projections that you disagree with? After all, the only reason we bother collecting facts about the climate is so that we can make projections. They do it all the time on a shorter time scale. That’s why we “knew” Florence was going to be a problem several days before it hit.
 
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Florence was downgraded from a 5 to a 2.

Projected path changed dramatically, as well.

Last night’s winds were down to below 60 mph.

Almost useless.
 
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Discarded solar panels are ending up in landfills, instead of being recycled, where toxic solar panel waste is leaking into the ground and water.

Solar photovoltaic panels, whose operating life is 20 to 30 years, lose productivity over time. The International Renewable Energy Agency estimated that there were about 250,000 metric tons of solar panel waste in the world at the end of 2016 and that the figure could reach 78 million metric tons by 2050. Solar panels contain lead, cadmium, and other toxic chemicals that cannot be removed without breaking apart the entire panel.


While disposal of solar panels has taken place in regular landfills, it is not recommended because the modules can break and toxic materials can leach into the soil, causing problems with drinking water. Solar panels can be recycled but the cost of recycling is generally more than the economic value of the material recovered. Used panels are also sold to developing world countries that want to purchase them inexpensively despite their reduced ability to produce energy. Regardless, solar panel waste disposal is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Washington State is the only U.S. state that requires the manufacturer to develop a recycle plan, but the state requirement does not address the cost of recycling. Adding a fee to the cost of solar panels would help ensure that the disposal issue is addressed in the event that the manufacturer goes bankrupt. Since 2016, at least seven solar panel manufacturers (Sungevity, Beamreach, Verengo Solar, SunEdison, Yingli Green Energy, Solar World, and Suniva) have gone bankrupt.

California’s Approach

Natural events such as hail storms, tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. can cause damage to the panels. For example, in 2015, a tornado broke 200,000 solar modules at southern California’s solar farm Desert Sunlight. More recently, the second largest solar farm in Puerto Rico, generating 40 percent of the island’s electricity, was severely damaged during Hurricane Maria. With 100,000 pounds of cadmium contained in 1.8 million solar panels calculated for a proposed 6,350 acre proposed solar farm in Virginia, any breakage is a cause for concern. Further, even rainwater has been found to flush out cadmium within an intact solar panel.

Course of Action

The biggest problem with solar panel waste may be its large quantity. Because sunlight is dilute and diffuse, large collectors are required to capture and convert the sun’s rays into electricity. Those large surface areas require an order of magnitude more materials (glass, heavy metals, and rare earth elements) than other energy sources. Approximately 90 percent of most PV modules are made up of glass. However, this glass often cannot be recycled due to impurities such as plastics, lead, cadmium and antimony in the glass.
 
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Therein lies the cherry-picking, deciding that the facts you cited are more important than the projection I cited.
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It is difficult to come up with a meaningful argument for someone who thinks guesses are more important than facts.
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The same people you accuse of making “guesses” and passing them off as noteworthy projections are the people you relied upon to support your “facts.” No matter how you look at it, it is cherry-picking. The source you “trust” did not call them guesses. They stated them as likely outcomes. Well, do you trust them or don’t you?
 
I don’t think the people you are referencing even claim their projections are equal to facts. I’m only seeing that from you.
 
Of course they are not facts about past measurements. They are projections of what is likely to happen. There is no hierarchy involved. Both have their purpose. For the purpose of planning for the future, projections are more important.
 
Solar electricity IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE source of energy.

AND it is only part-time.

Six times more costly than your local electric company.

PLUS you need to buy storage … a battery bank.

PLUS you need to regulate it … because of the damaging peaks.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The same people you accuse of making “guesses” and passing them off as noteworthy projections are the people you relied upon to support your “facts.” No matter how you look at it, it is cherry-picking.
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Wait - it’s cherry-picking when I choose to believe facts, but not cherry-picking for you to prefer projections?
The source you “trust” did not call them guesses. They stated them as likely outcomes. Well, do you trust them or don’t you?
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Even though they occasionally change their facts to support their projections it ought to be apparent to most people that reporting what has actually happened in the past will be more accurate than predicting what will happen in the future. If it was otherwise we should all be living in Las Vegas.
 
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Of course they are not facts about past measurements. They are projections of what is likely to happen. There is no hierarchy involved. Both have their purpose. For the purpose of planning for the future, projections are more important.
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It depends on how reliable the previous projections have proved out.
 
MonteRCMS said:
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LeafByNiggle:
Of course they are not facts about past measurements. They are projections of what is likely to happen. There is no hierarchy involved. Both have their purpose. For the purpose of planning for the future, projections are more important.
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It depends on how reliable the previous projections have proved out.
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Only slightly. The source Ender quoted seemed to think the projections they quoted were reliable enough to affirm.
 
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Only slightly. The source Ender quoted seemed to think the projections they quoted were reliable enough to affirm.
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The point is this: Trump, like Bush before him, is being held somehow responsible for a hurricane hitting the US. Because both disbelieved in AGW they are held to be complicit, by presumably doing nothing to stop hurricanes. Given that the historical record shows no increase in either frequency or intensity of hurricanes over the last 50 years, that charge is ludicrous. That people can believe such nonsense even when the facts show otherwise demonstrates the power of faith over reason.
 
Poor McCartney tries to write a rebel saviour song. Instead he captures the blind mystification of a protected class living in a bubble who have no idea that millions of people are rebelling against the bully thought police and their demands for hero-status and money. Half the population of the West see through the modern witchdoctors who get every prediction wrong.

McCartney’s genius solution? “Lock him up”

Spot the irony, apparently Trump should have listened to “the will of the people”? What exactly does McCartney think 60 million people voted for?

The captains crazy but he doesn’t let them know it.
He’ll take us with him if we don’t do something to slow it.
How can we stop him
Grab the keys and lock him up

Below decks, the engineer cries
The captain’s gonna leave us when the temperatures rise
The needle’s going up, the engine’s gonna blow
And we are gonna be left down below
Down below

Despite repeated warnings
Of dangers up ahead
Well, the captain wasn’t listening
To what was said

Now the ropes that have bound him (What can we do?)
Prove that he should have listened (What can we do?)
To the will of the people
It’s the will of the people
It’s the will of the people

— Lyrics to “Despite Repeated Warnings”

The song captures the frustration of the people who have no idea and no clue on how to get an idea either. “What can we do?” he asks over and over. How about trying to understand why people voted for Trump by reading what they read instead of just having the BBC-on-a-drip?
 
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