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This fantasy will last only so long as they are subsidized by the feds. If they don’t get federal money the cost will be too great for them to bear. Still, I have no problem with individual states or cities taking this approach. I can’t think of a better way to test the belief that renewable energy is economically sustainable.
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There should be no federal money involved at all.
And yes, if that is what they want to do with their own money, that is fine.
 
JonNC said:
There should be no federal money involved at all.

And yes, if that is what they want to do with their own money, that is fine.
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I like what the feds do to support basic research at universities.
 
Theo520 said:
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JonNC:
There should be no federal money involved at all.

And yes, if that is what they want to do with their own money, that is fine.
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I like what the feds do to support basic research at universities.
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Maybe, though the funding often seems in that realm to support a preconceived narrative.

My point was that the expenses incurred by that state to do what its elected officials mandate should be borne by the residents of that state.
 
This chart shows the direct temp warming just from CO2 with increases.
The saturation effect means the warming keeps decreasing with more CO2
 
Theo520 said:
Just google “CO2 saturation” and select the source you want to read.
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OK. First three hits:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/saturated-co2-effect.htm

RealClimate: A Saturated Gassy Argument O Argumento da Saturação Gasosa

RealClimate: A guest post by Spencer Weart, in collaboration with Raymond T. Pierrehumbert The simple physics explanations for the greenhouse effect that you find on the internet are often quite wrong. These well-meaning errors can promote confusion about whether humanity is truly causing global...
www.realclimate.org www.realclimate.org

http://www.terpconnect.umd.edu/~dschofie/SGC/climatemyth.html

I guess there is more to the story.
 
I glanced at your first link. Very wordy but it doesn’t dispute that the direct warming from CO2 is logarithmic.
 
Theo520 said:
I glanced at your first link. Very wordy but it doesn’t dispute that the direct warming from CO2 is logarithmic.
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It just points out that the significance of that is not what skeptics conclude.
 
dvdjs said:
It just points out that the significance of that is not what skeptics conclude.
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The significance is, the models must derive most of their future warming from feedbacks. But that was already evident to anyone who looked at the issue

CO2 doubling forces ~1.1C in warming
The IPCC predicts total warming between 1.5-4.5C with doubling

Ergo, the feedbacks must drive ~0.5-3.5C in warming.
 
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Theo520 said:
The significance is, the models must derive most of their future warming from feedbacks. But that was already evident to anyone who looked at the issue …
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That is different that what your link is saying"
“Here’s why it’s possible that doubling CO2 won’t make much difference.”
 
And here’s another interesting article about the possibility of turning the CO2 output from fossil fuel plants into…more fuel. Given that there has been a significant drop in government funding for “climate change” research, perhaps the government is discovering better ways to spend its money. Then again, since this (MIT) research was funded by Shell Oil, maybe not yet.

wattsupwiththat.com

Making CO2 into fuel

From the MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY MIT-developed method converts carbon dioxide into useful compounds. CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — MIT researchers have developed a new system that could po…
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Ender said:
Given that there has been a significant drop in government funding for “climate change” research, perhaps the government is discovering better ways to spend its money. Then again, since this (MIT) research was funded by Shell Oil, maybe not yet.
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There has definitely been a drop in grant applications for ‘climate change’ (see below story). Personally I’d like to see an increase in hard research on climate change, research that will validate the feedback model assumptions and improve measurement, like the ARGO floats that actually measure deep ocean waters. CERN is also doing valuable research into how the climate system works.

I want to see the alarmist research cut where someone takes rapid warming as a given and is paid to model catastrophic outcomes based on the given warming. This research does nothing to close the gap between skeptics and advocates.

wattsupwiththat.com

Winning: grant applications for ‘climate change’ research are down 40%

Scientists appear to be self-censoring by omitting the term “climate change” in public grant summaries. An NPR analysis of grants awarded by the National Science Foundation found a stea…
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The most basic requirement of a first world environment is reliably available power 24 hours every single day, bar none. When there is an event that causes an interruption of the power, that interruption is noticed immediately. I note that people who support the rapid expansion of renewables often don’t take the reliability requirement into account.
 
Zzyzx_Road said:
The most basic requirement of a first world environment is reliably available power 24 hours every single day, bar none. When there is an event that causes an interruption of the power, that interruption is noticed immediately. I note that people who support the rapid expansion of renewables often don’t take the reliability requirement into account.
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I chuckled today when NPR promised a segment on Solar opportunities in PR during their segment on restoring power. PR had a showcase solar farm, which I understand the storm completely wrecked. And if your house can’t keep it’s roof, the panels are not gonna survive.
 
a bit long but a good read

A veneer of certainty stoking climate alarm - Climate Etc.

by Judith Curry In private, climate scientists are much less certain than they tell the public. – Rupert Darwall Rupert Darwall has written a tour-de-force essay “A Veneer of Certainty Stoking Climate Alarm“, which has been published by CEI [link … Continue reading →
judithcurry.com judithcurry.com
 
Now that Judy Curry is retired, she could be moved into some directorship of some serious influential agency.
 
Read an interesting article yesterday about a fellow who has developed processes for 3D printing that allows one to make all kinds of things using a fraction of the energy needed to do it conventionally, as well as a fraction of the space. He has used it to make full automobile prototypes, but so far he uses it to make auto parts, including bodies for other manufacturers. He also uses innovative materials that weigh far less than conventional materials, giving fuel more bang for the buck.
 
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