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Humorous.

The fact is that the government can no longer hide when it pulls stunts like this.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
No, it fails to make the point. There were some honest system failures in the Austrailian weather data, and the Daily Caller makes up a conspiracy story out of whole cloth.
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Ummm … there were also apparently “system failures” with NOAA. And Russia discontinued collecting data in cold places.
 
Who da thunk it…the internet is the greatest tool for ensuring honesty!
 
Roseeurekacross said:
I cant see anything but a headline and a bunch of adds.

i was hoping for a substantial story on the Australian Winter we are having.

never heard of that news outlet either
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Australia Weather Bureau Caught Tampering With Climate Numbers
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Australian scientists at the Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) ordered a review of temperature recording instruments after the government agency was caught tampering with temperature logs in several locations.

Agency officials admit that the problem with instruments recording low temperatures likely happened in several locations throughout Australia, but they refuse to admit to manipulating temperature readings. The BOM located missing logs in Goulburn and the Snow Mountains, both of which are in New South Wales.

Meteorologist Lance Pidgeon watched the 13 degrees Fahrenheit Goulburn recording from July 2 disappear from the bureau’s website. The temperature readings fluctuated briefly and then disappeared from the government’s website.

“The temperature dropped to minus 10 (13 degrees Fahrenheit), stayed there for some time and then it changed to minus 10.4 (14 degrees Fahrenheit) and then it disappeared,” Pidgeon said, adding that he notified scientist Jennifer Marohasy about the problem, who then brought the readings to the attention of the bureau.

The bureau would later restore the original 13 degrees Fahrenheit reading after a brief question and answer session with Marohasy.

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“The bureau’s quality *control system, designed to filter out spurious low or high values was set at minus 10 minimum for Goulburn which is why the record automatically adjusted,” a bureau spokeswoman told reporters Monday. BOM added that there are limits placed on how low temperatures could go in some very cold areas of the country.

Bureaus Chief Executive Andrew Johnson told Australian Environment Minister Josh Frydenberg that the failure to record the low temperatures at Goulburn in early July was due to faulty equipment. A similar failure wiped out a reading of 13 degrees Fahrenheit at Thredbo Top on July 16, even though temperatures at that station have been recorded as low as 5.54 degrees Fahrenheit.

Failure to observe the low temperatures had “been interpreted by a member of the community in such a way as to imply the bureau sought to manipulate the data record,” Johnson said, according to The Australian. “I categorically reject this *implication.”

Marohasy, for her part, told reporters that Johnson’s claims are nearly impossible to believe given that there are screen shots that show the very low temperatures before being “quality assured” out. It could take several weeks before the equipment is eventually tested, reviewed and ready for service, Johnson said.

“I have taken steps to ensure that the hardware at this location is replaced immediately,” he added. “To ensure that I have full *assurance on these matters, I have actioned an internal review of our AWS network and associated data quality control processes for temperature observations.”

BOM has been put under the microscope before for similar manipulations. The agency was accused in 2014 of tampering with the country’s temperature record to make it appear as if temperatures had warmed over the decades, according to reports in August 2014.

Marohasey claimed at the time that BOM’s adjusted temperature records are “propaganda” and not science. She analyzed raw temperature data from places across Australia, compared them to BOM data, and found the agency’s data created an artificial warming trend.

Marohasey said BOM adjustments changed Aussie temperature records from a slight cooling trend to one of “dramatic warming” over the past century.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
No, it fails to make the point. There were some honest system failures in the Austrailian weather data, and the Daily Caller makes up a conspiracy story out of whole cloth.
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Are there systems failures which record temps too cold? And the article implied that there is a temp level below which the system will not record at all?
 
St_Francis said:
Are there systems failures which record temps too cold? And the article implied that there is a temp level below which the system will not record at all?
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there is no location too and this seems to be an American article. i would love to know where we dropped to minus 10 . and if we did frost and frozen instruments would indeed explain instrument failure.

even our vehicles struggle to function at minus 5

if they are saying Goulburn dropped to minus 10… its lowest recorded temp ever was minus 6. thats a fair way off minus 10

sounds like the instrumentation just broke. given Goulburn has never ever dropped to minus 10
 
Roseeurekacross said:
there is no location too and this seems to be an American article. i would love to know where we dropped to minus 10 . and if we did frost and frozen instruments would indeed explain instrument failure.

even our vehicles struggle to function at minus 5

if they are saying Goulburn dropped to minus 10… its lowest recorded temp ever was minus 6. thats a fair way off minus 10

sounds like the instrumentation just broke. given Goulburn has never ever dropped to minus 10
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From The Australian.

jennifermarohasy.com/2017/07/bureau-erases-goulburn-record-minimum-temperature-set-sunday-2-july-2017/

bureau-erases-goulburn-record-minimum-temperature-set-sunday-2-july-2017

Where is Goulburn?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulburn,_New_South_Wales

Please be tolerant; I’m from North America.
 
Hey guys,

So I live in Sydney. Minus ten would be crazy low, even for Goulburn.

I also collect weather data from BOM for my job sometimes. Most systems will have failsafes for spurious values that appear to be system failures. I’m sure they also have a cutoff for temperatures that they think are too high.

At the moment, we have several record setting warm days / months. We hit 27 deg C in the middle of winter in Sydney last Sunday. I think Queensland had the warmest July on record or something.
 
Here in the Ozarks we are having some wonderfully cool temps for the last of July and first of August. I don’t know why, but I’m thankful for it!! Green grass in August too!!!
 
LeafByNiggle said:
How does this say anything about a deliberate fraud? That part is made up.
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If the mistakes are consistently in one direction, that could be suspicious, depending on the source of the mistake. If the mistakes are in both directions, then not so much, right?

I was just asking. Journalists pounting out mistakes only in one direction would be a bit off, too, no?
 
St_Francis said:
If the mistakes are consistently in one direction, that could be suspicious, depending on the source of the mistake. If the mistakes are in both directions, then not so much, right?

I was just asking. Journalists pounting out mistakes only in one direction would be a bit off, too, no?
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Depending on the failure mechanism, the errors might very well be in one direction only. It might be enough to raise suspicions, but suspicions are not proof.
 
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