Clinton: Hillary Would Be Better Prez Than Me

[mary_bobo]

Arba Sicula:

Well, it’s a fact that Gore won the popular vote. You can check this on your own and needn’t take my word for it.

As for the latter, it seemed that it was the Supreme Court that decides who wins a presidential election.

Bush won 2004 quite fairly, thanks to his better campaigning. There’s no denying that.

Yes, indeed, Gore did win the popular vote. However, we do not vote that way, and the Supreme Court DID NOT decide the vote. Each state sets up its own rules for voting, and Florida was handled exactly the way the rules of that state set forth. The hang-up was the Florida Supreme Court that decided it was okey to overlook the voting regulations and rule in favor of Gore. So the GOP took the case all the way to the SC which decided that the election was handled property. It did NOT decide who the president would be.

Whether you like it or not, those are the facts. I’m sorry they don’t teach government and civics in schools any more.

 

[MikeWM]

mary bobo:

Yes, indeed, Gore did win the popular vote. However, we do not vote that way, and the Supreme Court DID NOT decide the vote. Each state sets up its own rules for voting, and Florida was handled exactly the way the rules of that state set forth. The hang-up was the Florida Supreme Court that decided it was okey to overlook the voting regulations and rule in favor of Gore.

No it didn’t. It came to a perfectly legal interpretation of Florida election law that allowed counting all the votes - not in favour of Bush or Gore, but in favour of democracy.

So the GOP took the case all the way to the SC which decided that the election was handled property.

No it didn’t. It decided to overrule Florida law - the first time ever the Supreme Court has used the fourteenth amendment to interfere in a state’s rights to conduct its own elections in this way - and stop the counting of all the votes which meant, on the incomplete count, Bush won the Florida electors, and hence the presidency.

I recommend you read Vincent Bugliosi’s book The Betrayal of America. It sets out the legal issues quite clearly, and why the Supreme Court’s decision was a travesty of law.

Mike

 

[MommaKat]

Arba Sicula:

IMO, morality consists of more than sexual morality. I’d vote for a good president even if he was sleeping with half the women in Washington. What business of mine is that? None. What business of mine is it that he is a good president? Plenty!

If you don’t care that women are used for pleasure and then there’s the wife. Maybe you would care about the daughter who is only a few years younger than the women being used. If its okay for the prez to have sex with anyone why not the daughter? That is only sex and is okay if he’s a good prez. in your opinion. Then he could be sleeping with all the women in Washington.

This is respectable? Using women and not marrying them. Sex outside of marriage is respectable? I don’t think so. This is moral relativism. I am okay you are okay and there is no TRUTH.

Well I disagree. There is one TRUTH and he is GOD.

Mary said at Fatima that more souls slip into hell because of sexual sins. So we as Catholic’s should require people to respect sex.

 

[bapcathluth]

I completely agree with Arba Sicula on the issue of whether a president’s sex life is germane to his performance in office. Many of our most admired presidents had affairs. FDR, Eisenhower, to name a couple. I don’t think it is good to have affairs, but presidents are human and fallible.

I don’t think a public official’s sex life is our business. I don’t want to know what form of birth control our president uses. I don’t want to know how many times a week he does it, or if he has a mistress. I want my public official to be smart and do his job well.

 

[koda]

bapcathluth:

I completely agree with Arba Sicula on the issue of whether a president’s sex life is germane to his performance in office. Many of our most admired presidents had affairs. FDR, Eisenhower, to name a couple. I don’t think it is good to have affairs, but presidents are human and fallible.

I don’t think a public official’s sex life is our business. I don’t want to know what form of birth control our president uses. I don’t want to know how many times a week he does it, or if he has a mistress. I want my public official to be smart and do his job well.

Agreed. No red herrings. And, as is said below, there is a lot more to morality than sex; sins that make adultary pale in comparson.

 

[mary_bobo]

bapcathluth:

I completely agree with Arba Sicula on the issue of whether a president’s sex life is germane to his performance in office. Many of our most admired presidents had affairs. FDR, Eisenhower, to name a couple. I don’t think it is good to have affairs, but presidents are human and fallible.

I don’t think a public official’s sex life is our business. I don’t want to know what form of birth control our president uses. I don’t want to know how many times a week he does it, or if he has a mistress. I want my public official to be smart and do his job well.

Agreed. An official’s sex life is not our business, but lying under oath is.

 

[MommaKat]

bapcathluth:

I completely agree with Arba Sicula on the issue of whether a president’s sex life is germane to his performance in office. Many of our most admired presidents had affairs. FDR, Eisenhower, to name a couple. I don’t think it is good to have affairs, but presidents are human and fallible.

I don’t think a public official’s sex life is our business. I don’t want to know what form of birth control our president uses. I don’t want to know how many times a week he does it, or if he has a mistress. I want my public official to be smart and do his job well.

Today in our culture of death this type of life style is accepted. If FDR or Eisenhowers sex life had been known they would have never been re-elected.
Sex is not to be treated lightly.
Read the Theology of the Body by JP II.

 

[koda]

MommaKat:

No one has been uncharitable. Is it uncharitable to say that morally former President Clinton was sadly lacking? Is it uncharitable to say that you wouldn’t vote for Hilary? I don’t think so President Clinton has a problem with morality. I wouldn’t ever vote for Hilary Clinton because she is a radical feminist who has no respect for human life.

I find this statement offensive (it is way beyond uncharitable). I’m sure that Senator Clinton does have respect for life. She wants us out of the war and believes everyone should have decent healthcare. If I’d made such a remark about our current President, it would not be tolerated for a nano-second. I expect to receive the same respect as the Bush supporters do.

 

[mlchance]

koda:

I’m sure that Senator Clinton does have respect for life. She wants us out of the war and believes everyone should have decent healthcare.

Senator Clinton voted in favor of using force against Iraq. To quote the Senator herself: “So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.”

Senator Clinton doesn’t want everyone to have decent healthcare. She wholeheartedly supports abortion-on-demand, thus pushing her party’s continuing violence against the most defenseless of all peoples.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[koda]

mlchance:

Senator Clinton voted in favor of using force against Iraq. To quote the Senator herself: “So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.”

Senator Clinton doesn’t want everyone to have decent healthcare. She wholeheartedly supports abortion-on-demand, thus pushing her party’s continuing violence against the most defenseless of all peoples.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[MommaKat]

koda:

I find this statement offensive (it is way beyond uncharitable). I’m sure that Senator Clinton does have respect for life. She wants us out of the war and believes everyone should have decent healthcare. If I’d made such a remark about our current President, it would not be tolerated for a nano-second. I expect to receive the same respect as the Bush supporters do.

I am sorry that you find the fact that Hilary doesn’t respect human life offensive but she is for abortion on demand at all phases of pregnacy. She is now saying it should be safe and rare. As a post-abortive women I know that she doesn’t respect life. Not mine nor that of the unborn. Do research on the number of post-abortive women who commit suicide or suffer from depression. Also research the abortion breast cancer link. I never said I was a Bush supporter. I am an independent who votes for family and life. Enough people have been hurt by our culture of death. I will not vote even for a city councilman who is pro-abortion. I don’t look at parties. I am a monilith. Turn around abortion and contrceptive mind set and have a more peaceful world.
Read Humane Vitea. This will be eye opening for you. Read Evangelimum Vitea (Gospel of Life). Very very eye opening.

 

[thestickman]

koda:

I find this statement offensive (it is way beyond uncharitable). I’m sure that Senator Clinton does have respect for life. She wants us out of the war and believes everyone should have decent healthcare. If I’d made such a remark about our current President, it would not be tolerated for a nano-second. I expect to receive the same respect as the Bush supporters do.

It was not an uncharitable statement. If Senator Clinton had any respect for life she would not be pro-abortion–which, IMO proves also the Clintons are not for decent healthcare when it comes to unborn babies.

 

[mlchance]

thestickman:

It was not an uncharitable statement. If Senator Clinton had any respect for life she would not be pro-abortion–which, IMO proves also the Clintons are not for decent healthcare when it comes to unborn babies.

Or women, for that matter. Unless, of course, Senator Clinton believes that abortion is actually good for a woman’s health. Maybe that’s why she voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003?

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[koda]

MommaKat:

I am sorry that you find the fact that Hilary doesn’t respect human life offensive but she is for abortion on demand at all phases of pregnacy. She is now saying it should be safe and rare. As a post-abortive women I know that she doesn’t respect life. Not mine nor that of the unborn. Do research on the number of post-abortive women who commit suicide or suffer from depression. Also research the abortion breast cancer link. I never said I was a Bush supporter. I am an independent who votes for family and life. Enough people have been hurt by our culture of death. I will not vote even for a city councilman who is pro-abortion. I don’t look at parties. I am a monilith. Turn around abortion and contrceptive mind set and have a more peaceful world.
Read Humane Vitea. This will be eye opening for you. Read Evangelimum Vitea (Gospel of Life). Very very eye opening.

I understand what you’re saying but it doesn’t equal her not respeting ANY life. As for birth control, she’s not Catholic, nor are millions of Americans, and I’m not one for pushing my faith on others. As for abortion, I had one, so consider my opinion. I felt I had no options - had their been social programs that would have helped me when the dad told me to stuff it, then I might not have been so desperate (we were married, btw, and getting pregnant was his idea and this was 20+ years ago). I’m against abortion but I realize that even if it made illegal, deserate women will resort to desperate measures. We’ve got to offer them some hope, something that continues even after the child is born. Personally, I find it impossible to think of Bush as pro-life because he seems to have a problem with a lot of the social programs the poor depend on. Yet if I said he had no respect for life, I would immediately be called for it, and rightly, because it is an incrediably broad generalization in the same vein and a shock headline. As people have reminded me, I don’t know what is in Bush’s heart so I’d better refrain from judging him. Please give Hillary (and every one else you disagree with) the same courtesy.

 

[mlchance]

koda:

Personally, I find it impossible to think of Bush as pro-life because he seems to have a problem with a lot of the social programs the poor depend on.

Nevermind that spending on many such programs has increased under both Bush Administrations.

koda:

As people have reminded me, I don’t know what is in Bush’s heart so I’d better refrain from judging him. Please give Hillary (and every one else you disagree with) the same courtesy.

No one is judging her heart. We’re judging her public statements and her voting record, both of which are decidedly not pro-life.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[thestickman]

koda:

As people have reminded me, I don’t know what is in Bush’s heart so I’d better refrain from judging him. Please give Hillary (and every one else you disagree with) the same courtesy.

Regarding Bush, we know he is anti-abortion/pro-life. Regarding Clinton, we know she is pro-abortion.

Making judgements on these well known, documented facts is part of life AND something I encourage everyone to do.

 

[MikeWM]

mlchance:

Senator Clinton voted in favor of using force against Iraq. To quote the Senator herself: “So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.”

That sounds fair enough, that was the point of resolution 1441. Unfortunately Saddam did mostly comply, didn’t have weapons, and we just invaded anyway. Not as a last resort.

Mike

 

[Thekla]

Even better than her husband? Wow!

 

[koda]

thestickman:

Regarding Bush, we know he is anti-abortion/pro-life. Regarding Clinton, we know she is pro-abortion.

Making judgements on these well known, documented facts is part of life AND something I encourage everyone to do.

Well, IMO (and this is just my opinion so don’t get all defensive on me) there is more to being pro-life than being anti-abortion. Unborn babies are not the only form of life on the planet. Pro-life means ALL life, everyone God created, no matter how you feel about them - and especially your enemies. Though, I’ll admit that loving your enemies it a tough one - can’t do it without prayer and grace.

 

[allhers]

koda:

I find this statement offensive (it is way beyond uncharitable). I’m sure that Senator Clinton does have respect for life. She wants us out of the war and believes everyone should have decent healthcare. If I’d made such a remark about our current President, it would not be tolerated for a nano-second. I expect to receive the same respect as the Bush supporters do.

I believe it’s offensive to let innocent babies be butchered in their mother’s womb’s, obviously some don’t and that is why they would vote for someone who agreed with them.