Clinton: Hillary Would Be Better Prez Than Me

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SamCA:
But regardless of the outcome of either election, it’s hard to argue that both Gore and Kerry didn’t wage ineffective and at times hilariously inept election campaigns.
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Again, I agree with you about Kerry, but can’t consider Gore efforts as hilariously inept. You don’t win the popular vote by stumbling over your own shadow.
 
Arba Sicula:
More didn’t lose his life for the cause of being respectable. I think that it would behoove you to read why he was willing to go to his death, and it had nothing to do with wanting to look respectable.

Fine as your opinion.

Moral Relativism! We must wage a war against the Dictatorship of moral relativism

That’s not correct. Period. Pres. Roosevelt committed adultery, as one example, and he is one of our greatest presidents, true to his promises and commitments to our nation.
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I would say if you are a socialist FDR was one of our best President. But as a Catholic I think that he and Johnson were one of the worst. Both lead us to this great social problem we have with a larger poor population and people who don’t know how to be responsible for themselves. It sounds to me like you are a Democrat first and a Catholic last.
 
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MommaKat:
I suggest that you get some post-abortive stress help. There are program for that. You don’t have to suffer any more with the guilt that you feel. There is Rachael’s vineyard and Priest for Life who can tell you more about these programs. I recongnize your anger because that was me. I am also post-abortive but have dealt with my guilt. We have to stop rationalizing away our guilt. Some of the most radically pro-abortion people are those who don’t want it to be made illegal because it would increase their own guilt. I know before my counciling that was me. Since then I will do what ever it takes to make it less accepted. It is so bad for women. It increase the risk of breast cancer and uterine cancer and premature births and other complication in pregnancy.
My daughter was a premie and I nearly died from my pregnancy. My sister who had no abortion had normal pregnancies.
I will pray for you so that you will have the strength and courage to face what you must face. May the Blessed Mother wrap you in her loving arms.
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Thank you for your kind words. Thankfully, I started healing from this about a year and a half ago after a visit to the woman (and dear friend) who was my sponser when I became Catholic. Since then I’ve had discussions with the woman who runs the Rachel’s Hope in San Diego as well as a member of ALL’s Right to life walk 2005 (I can’t remember the official name for it, sorry). I knew that Jesus had forgiven me long ago but realized that I had not forgiven myself. Please understand that when I say the pro-life does not end at birth that I am not advocating pro-choice. I’m simply saying that abortion doesn’t happen in a vacuum and we need to do something to decrease the demand - for without that, even a law making abortion illegal won’t end all abortions. A crisis pregnancy worker here in Los Angeles told me a story about a young Mexican woman who was pregnant. She wanted an abortion because she was 1) an illegal alien, 2) already had kids back home - she was in the US to make money to send back to them so they could have a decent life, 3) she worked as a houseworker/nanny to a family that would not give her any time off so that if she’d had complications she would lose her job, 4) she had no insurance. She did not want to have the abortion but could see no way out. Even carrying the baby to term and putting him/her up for adoption was out for her as she couldn’t miss any work. Another woman who comes into the office where I work (she works for a local bank and is legal) - there is not enough low income housing here and she couldn’t pay her electric bill and her rent too - she is just one of many who cannot make ends meet no matter how they try - luckily Catholic Charities was able to help her but we need to have more resources for these women to help them do the right thing.

Living in a city this size with so many poor and often illegal residents really touches me. I do volunteer work and will start teaching next fall - I really want to make the world a better place. Please join me in praying for us all.
 
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buffalo:
A few days before the war we have satellite photos showing convoys of trucks going into Syria. The US considered chasing them under the “hot pursuit clause” but decided not too. The Duelfer report references these convoys, but because satellites can not see inside the truck they could not conclude definitively that they contained WMD. Considering the fact that Saddam flew his military jets into Syria for safekeeping, what do you think was in those trucks?
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I happen to think that there is a good possibility that the trucks carried WMDs.
 
Koda
We have to help those who are in our country. I don’t like what happens to people like the woman you wrote about being here illegally. The feel trapped and have to be forced underground into a sub-culture. As a nation I believe that we should increase the number of people we allow into our country from our neighbors to the South. If they came in legally they would want to become part of our country. We do have to close our borders so that the criminal element doesn’t come in, but we should allow those who want to come here to improve their lives.
We also should work with the nation to our South to help build up their economies. This is not a zero sum game. The more they grow in economic security the better everyones security.
I would like to see more of the trade we have with China now moved to South America. I believe as JPII did that the America’s should work together.

Most of the people to our South are our brothers and sisters in the Catholic Church. They are part of the same body as you and I.

I have sent e-mails to the White House suggesting these solutions for our immigration problems.

I think that after our borders are secured I would grant amnisty to those who are here working.

California is not the place to live if your a single parent. California has to high of taxes.
 
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MommaKat:
I would say if you are a socialist FDR was one of our best President. But as a Catholic I think that he and Johnson were one of the worst.
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Noted.
It sounds to me like you are a Democrat first and a Catholic last.
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You are again entitled to that opinion, but I find the Democrats far more compatible with Catholic teachings overall than the Republicans, with their continual favoritism towards the richest people.

If you disagree with me about that, that’s fine. You may vote for the GOP, but I shall vote for the Dems as I always have.
 
Arba Sicula:
Noted.

You are again entitled to that opinion, but I find the Democrats far more compatible with Catholic teachings overall than the Republicans, with their continual favoritism towards the richest people.

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The Dems are pro-death - not defending the poor and helpless as yoo have been tricked into believing.
 
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buffalo:
The Dems are pro-death - not defending the poor and helpless as yoo have been tricked into believing.
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Their social policies and support for programs for the poor are in contrast to what the Republicans are now doing - cutting Medicaid, Medicare, food programs, educational programs for the poor, eliminating the bankruptcy laws as relief, not for crooks, but for those overwhelmed by huge medical bills, and more, while retaining tax breaks for the rich.

It’s no trick at all. I see what the Democrats are trying to save in the face of what the Republicans are trying to eliminate.

You may disagree with what I believe, but for myself I am unable to see how the Republicans - in comparison with the Democrats - are the defenders of the poor and helpless.
 
Arba Sicula:
Their social policies and support for programs for the poor are in contrast to what the Republicans are now doing - cutting Medicaid, Medicare, food programs, educational programs for the poor, eliminating the bankruptcy laws as relief, not for crooks, but for those overwhelmed by huge medical bills, and more, while retaining tax breaks for the rich.

It’s no trick at all. I see what the Democrats are trying to save in the face of what the Republicans are trying to eliminate.

You may disagree with what I believe, but for myself I am unable to see how the Republicans - in comparison with the Democrats - are the defenders of the poor and helpless.
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Reducing the rate of growth is not the same thing as cutting or slashing as the dems claim.

We can start here:
  1. Ask yourself who pays the taxes in this country.
  2. Do you include the unborn, single mothers, aborted babies in the poor and helpless. What have the dems done for families in the last 40 years except pass legislation that weakens the family and promotes dependence on mother government.
  3. How is locking the poor into a cycle of poverty helping them?
  4. Show me how the rich have had their taxes cut. Documentation please not rhetoric.
 
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buffalo:
Do you include the unborn, single mothers, aborted babies in the poor and helpless?
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Abortion is here to stay in America. Neither party wants it abolished entirely even if R v W is reversed. It would be up to the states, and lots of states would keep it legal - even the red states.
What have the dems done for families in the last 40 years except pass legislation that weakens the family and promotes dependence on mother government.
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And you accuse me of using rhetoric?
  1. How is locking the poor into a cycle of poverty helping them?
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This isn’t rhetoric?
please not rhetoric.
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Good advice, I’d think, for you too. I did give you examples of programs that bear on the poor , which are being gutted by the Republicans in the face of Democratic opposition.
 
Arba Sicula:
Abortion is here to stay in America. Neither party wants it abolished entirely even if R v W is reversed. It would be up to the states, and lots of states would keep it legal - even the red states.

And you accuse me of using rhetoric?

This isn’t rhetoric?

Good advice, I’d think, for you too. I did give you examples of programs that bear on the poor , which are being gutted by the Republicans in the face of Democratic opposition.
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I will gladly answer you claims with documentation. First I am asking you since you made the original charge to substantiate them.
 
Arba Sicula:
Again, I agree with you about Kerry, but can’t consider Gore efforts as hilariously inept. You don’t win the popular vote by stumbling over your own shadow.
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You do when your opponent runs an even worse campaign.

Both the Bush and Gore campaigns in 2000 were, frankly, pathetic. Either of them would have been hammered like tentpegs by any halfway competent campaign; as it was, they had a race to see who could run the worst campaign.

And they basically tied even that.
 
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buffalo:
I will gladly answer you claims with documentation. First I am asking you since you made the original charge to substantiate them.
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You seem to deny that the Republicans plan to make cuts in Medicaid, Medicare, othe entitlement programs and that they recently catered to the creditor industry by revising the bankruptcy laws. Do you actually need to have the Bill Numbers to verify that these things are being done?
 
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SamCA:
You do when your opponent runs an even worse campaign.

Both the Bush and Gore campaigns in 2000 were, frankly, pathetic. Either of them would have been hammered like tentpegs by any halfway competent campaign; as it was, they had a race to see who could run the worst campaign.

And they basically tied even that.
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Yes, I have to agree with this post.
 
Arba Sicula:
You seem to deny that the Republicans plan to make cuts in Medicaid, Medicare, othe entitlement programs and that they recently catered to the creditor industry by revising the bankruptcy laws. Do you actually need to have the Bill Numbers to verify that these things are being done?
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Yes - and the authors and supporters of them in the House and Senate for a complete picture.
 
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buffalo:
Yes - and the authors and supporters of them in the House and Senate for a complete picture.
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Ah, ye of little faith.

It wouldn’t matter, I feel. You, based on your many posts, are solidly Republican - and there’s no fault in that - so would hardly have a Road to Damascus conversion to my point of view regardless what I presented. Not counting the time needed to muster all the information.
 
Arba Sicula:
Ah, ye of little faith.

It wouldn’t matter, I feel. You, based on your many posts, are solidly Republican - and there’s no fault in that - so would hardly have a Road to Damascus conversion to my point of view regardless what I presented. Not counting the time needed to muster all the information.
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Oh c’mon. Give it the college try. Then we can look at the bills ourselves and see what they actually entail rather than taking the msm word for it. It would be a good excercise for both of us.
 
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buffalo:
Oh c’mon. Give it the college try. Then we can look at the bills ourselves and see what they actually entail rather than taking the msm word for it. It would be a good excercise for both of us.
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You don’t trust the news media either? I admire your desire to rely only on original documents, but I’m not that much of a political maven.

So, you may continue to believe that the Republicans are the true friends of the poor and underprivileged and that the Democrats are not, and I shall believe the contrary. And we each can back our beliefs with contributions, help to campaigns, and our votes to our respective candidates. What more to do?
 
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