Co-worker church shopping

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Boy, it didn’t take you long to avoid post #17, did it?

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I’m not avoiding it. I’m simply choosing not to help you derail this thread.

Besides, I don’t understand the point of providing a list of names of people you never would have heard of, anyway.
 
I’m not avoiding it. I’m simply choosing not to help you derail this thread.

Besides, I don’t understand the point of providing a list of names of people you never would have heard of, anyway.
Originally Posted by Pastor Jim forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
*I’m a man and a saint and I’ve been taught by some of the finest Bible teachers around. *

yep, you are probably right.

Your non-answer to the other inquires is also revealing.

If someone were to be “church-shopping”, what would draw them to your faith community???🤷
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is this what you call respectful??
you “already knew” what i was going to say!
talk about snide
And you proved me right by laying the groundwork for the “they’re not really dead” argument in your very next post.
 
Originally Posted by Pastor Jim forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
I’m a man and a saint and I’ve been taught by some of the finest Bible teachers around.

yep, you are probably right.

Your non-answer to the other inquires is also revealing.

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Let me ask you a question.

The forum rules say:
forum rules:
DISCUSSION FORUMS
Messages posted to threads should be on-topic. If you wish to discuss another topic, start a new thread.
Now, if the rules say that my messages in this thread should reflect the topic of the thread, why are you bringing up a topic that has nothing to do with the OP and encouraging me to break the forum rules?
 
And you proved me right by laying the groundwork for the “they’re not really dead” argument in your very next post.
very circular!
and when you become really “dead” why are you so sure that your going to get to heaven? what will be left of you to get there?

and you have already derailed this thread yourself.
 
Your non-answer to the other inquires is also revealing.
And the vitriol you’ve shown to me and trying to bait me into breaking the forum rules is equally revealing.
If someone were to be “church-shopping”, what would draw them to your faith community?
First of all, we don’t have a “faith community”, we have a church.

Second, when we interview people, the answers we get most often are that they chose our church because of our emphasis on the preaching and teaching of God’s word, our emphasis on evangelism, and opportunities to use their gifts for the edification of the body of Christ.
 
I am questioning something YOU said.

You post under the title of Pastor.

You post claiming some “authority” as “Pastor”

You refuse to address the statements that you yourself make with any level of support/credibility.

Other posters have a right to know if your comments
are only opinions (like the rest of us often offer)
or factual (with support from real authoritative sources)
or devious (like claiming to be something you won’t verify)

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very circular!
and when you become really “dead” why are you so sure that your going to get to heaven?
Because the Bible says so.
what will be left of you to get there?
Soul and spirit.
and you have already derailed this thread yourself.
Actually, each of my posts has been on topic. The only one of my posts that wasn’t on topic was the one responding to your post, explaining that I would not help you break the forum rules and derail this thread.
 
I am questioning something YOU said.
OK. Show me where in this thread I said it.
Other posters have a right to know if your comments
are only opinions
My comments are only opinions, except where they’re supported with scripture.

If you want to discuss this, then please feel free to start a thread to badmouth me behind my back. I will not be participating because I don’t believe that you have anything else in mind but to badmouth me.

I apologize to the OP for falling into this person’s trap to derail this thread.
 
OK. Show me where in this thread I said it.

My comments are only opinions, except where they’re supported with scripture.

If you want to discuss this, then please feel free to start a thread to badmouth me behind my back. I will not be participating because I don’t believe that you have anything else in mind but to badmouth me.

I apologize to the OP for falling into this person’s trap to derail this thread.
It is important… very important… for an individual who may be “church shopping” to know just what kind of leadership - or lack thereof - he/she may be getting.

I hope that anyone reading this thread and considering “church-shopping” will consider two things:

1] most "church-shopping’ implies that the individual is looking for a faith community which agrees with him… bad start IMO. They should pray for the HS, for He will guide them to the truth, perhaps through another faith, but eventually to the only Church Jesus intended.

2] most faith community leaders, like yourself, if you really are one, will be very open with their background and credentials. They will at least offer something for the listener to feel comfortable with. It won’t be Apostolic Succession, or valid ordination from Jesus Christ through His One Church. But at least it should be something.

You have given potential “church shoppers” good reason to stay away from what you offer.

And I thank you for that.

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OK. Show me where in this thread I said it.

My comments are only opinions, except where they’re supported with scripture.

If you want to discuss this, then please feel free to start a thread to badmouth me behind my back. I will not be participating because I don’t believe that you have anything else in mind but to badmouth me.

I apologize to the OP for falling into this person’s trap to derail this thread.
This was the OP’s question:How do I go about introducing the Church to an evangelical church shopper? I would think not having any experience with the Catholic Church, the Mass would be intimidating. I don’t want to scare her off with too many details, but I think she should know some basics before going to Mass.

Any suggestions?

You in turn started critizing about asking different saints to intercede for us, which wasn’t answering the OP’s question:rolleyes:
 
This was the OP’s question:How do I go about introducing the Church to an evangelical church shopper? I would think not having any experience with the Catholic Church, the Mass would be intimidating. I don’t want to scare her off with too many details, but I think she should know some basics before going to Mass.

Any suggestions?

You in turn started critizing about asking different saints to intercede for us, which wasn’t answering the OP’s question:rolleyes:
No, actually, what happened is that one of your fellow Catholic posters, with no encouragement from me, posted a link to the script followed in a Catholic mass.

I simply responded that I could not go along with prayers to the dead and that this would be a stumbling block to the OP’s co-worker, if she is an evangelical Christian.

My suggestion to the OP is to say to your coworker, “OK. If you come to mass with me, you’re going to see some really crazy stuff but let’s sit down and look at the Bible and I’ll show you where these things are found”.
 
You have given potential “church shoppers” good reason to stay away from what you offer.
If somebody decides they want to be a part of our church because they’re impressed by my degrees, then they’re probably not the kind of people we’re going to want for members.
 
No, actually, what happened is that one of your fellow Catholic posters, with no encouragement from me, **posted a link **to the script followed in a Catholic mass.
which is totally acceptable for the purpose of this thread.
I simply responded that I could not go along with prayers to the dead
and this is where you should have copied that post and started a thread of your own, because your comments had nothing to do with church shopping. this is where the thread got derailed.
and that this would be a stumbling block to the OP’s co-worker, if she is an evangelical Christian.
actually you said "You lost me at … " which does not refer to the OP and her friend at all. the friend asked point blank about the catholic church.
My suggestion to the OP is to say to your coworker, “OK. If you come to mass with me, you’re going to see some really crazy stuff but let’s sit down and look at the Bible and I’ll show you where these things are found”.
and thanks for your kind words in calling the mass crazy.

if you would like to continue this discussion, please start a new thread.
 
and this is where you should have copied that post and started a thread of your own, because your comments had nothing to do with church shopping. this is where the thread got derailed.
The topic is how to present a Catholic mass to a non-Catholic. I was simply explaining that the Catholic practice of praying to the dead in the mass is problematic for Evangelical Christians and would be a stumbling block to the OP trying to introduce her co-worker to the mass.
and thanks for your kind words in calling the mass crazy.
No problem.

Many Christians, when seeing a mass for the first time consider many of the practices strange.

Even some of your fellow Catholics here have admitted that before they were Catholic, some Catholic practices seemed strange to them.
 
The topic is how to present a Catholic mass to a non-Catholic. I was simply explaining that the Catholic practice of praying to the dead in the mass is problematic for Evangelical Christians and would be a stumbling block to the OP trying to introduce her co-worker to the mass.

No problem.

Many Christians, when seeing a mass for the first time consider many of the practices strange.

Even some of your fellow Catholics here have admitted that before they were Catholic, some Catholic practices seemed strange to them.
not any stranger than an altar call without an altar, a sinners prayer not from any scriptural directive, or a born again baptism that is not the sacrament instituted by Christ.🤷
 
not any stranger than an altar call without an altar
I see. So then, you believe it’s strange to give people an opportunity to ask for prayer?
a sinners prayer not from any scriptural directive
Really? You don’t think there’s a “scriptural directive” to repent of your sins and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord?
or a born again baptism that is not the sacrament instituted by Christ.🤷
Actually, whenever we baptise somebody, we understand that they will probably have family members there who may not know exactly what baptism is, so we always explain that being baptised does not make one born again.

We also go through the scriptures and explain how and why Christ instituted this ordinance.
Agreed. Sounds like a work(s) to me.
There’s an old saying that goes “to the man who has only a hammer, everything looks like a nail”. I’m sure repentance and confession in the Lordship of Christ appears to be a work to you because Catholicism requires so many works, but these things are not what the Bible describes as works.

At least not works on our part. The Bible tells us in 2 John that for us to confess that Jesus is Lord requires a work of God and also that repentance requires a work of the Holy Spirit in us.

When the Bible talks about “works” (as in, “it is by grace you have been saved, not by works”), it is talking specifically about religious rituals designed to buy God’s favor.
explain that Catholic understanding too?
No. It would be too confusing to get into everything the Bible doesn’t say about baptism. We just explain what it does say.
Ordinance huh…?? Ordinances don’t exude grace… sacraments do.
And that’s one reason why it is an ordinance and not a sacrament.
 
How do I go about introducing the Church to an evangelical church shopper?

Any suggestions?
God will take care of whatever you can’t but prayer can help out in this instance as well as your continued good example.
 
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