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Boy, it didn’t take you long to avoid post #17, did it?Boy, didn’t take long for you guys to show your true colors, did it?
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Boy, it didn’t take you long to avoid post #17, did it?Boy, didn’t take long for you guys to show your true colors, did it?
I’m not avoiding it. I’m simply choosing not to help you derail this thread.Boy, it didn’t take you long to avoid post #17, did it?
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is this what you call respectful??And, yes, I already know that you’re going to try to redefine "dead"
And can you give me an example of my having done this?
Frankly, I think I was pretty respectful to you, even in light of your snide “even you” comment.
Originally Posted by Pastor Jim forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gifI’m not avoiding it. I’m simply choosing not to help you derail this thread.
Besides, I don’t understand the point of providing a list of names of people you never would have heard of, anyway.
And you proved me right by laying the groundwork for the “they’re not really dead” argument in your very next post.is this what you call respectful??
you “already knew” what i was going to say!
talk about snide
Let me ask you a question.Originally Posted by Pastor Jim forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
I’m a man and a saint and I’ve been taught by some of the finest Bible teachers around.
yep, you are probably right.
Your non-answer to the other inquires is also revealing.
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Now, if the rules say that my messages in this thread should reflect the topic of the thread, why are you bringing up a topic that has nothing to do with the OP and encouraging me to break the forum rules?DISCUSSION FORUMS
Messages posted to threads should be on-topic. If you wish to discuss another topic, start a new thread.
very circular!And you proved me right by laying the groundwork for the “they’re not really dead” argument in your very next post.
And the vitriol you’ve shown to me and trying to bait me into breaking the forum rules is equally revealing.Your non-answer to the other inquires is also revealing.
First of all, we don’t have a “faith community”, we have a church.If someone were to be “church-shopping”, what would draw them to your faith community?
Because the Bible says so.very circular!
and when you become really “dead” why are you so sure that your going to get to heaven?
Soul and spirit.what will be left of you to get there?
Actually, each of my posts has been on topic. The only one of my posts that wasn’t on topic was the one responding to your post, explaining that I would not help you break the forum rules and derail this thread.and you have already derailed this thread yourself.
OK. Show me where in this thread I said it.I am questioning something YOU said.
My comments are only opinions, except where they’re supported with scripture.Other posters have a right to know if your comments
are only opinions
It is important… very important… for an individual who may be “church shopping” to know just what kind of leadership - or lack thereof - he/she may be getting.OK. Show me where in this thread I said it.
My comments are only opinions, except where they’re supported with scripture.
If you want to discuss this, then please feel free to start a thread to badmouth me behind my back. I will not be participating because I don’t believe that you have anything else in mind but to badmouth me.
I apologize to the OP for falling into this person’s trap to derail this thread.
This was the OP’s question:How do I go about introducing the Church to an evangelical church shopper? I would think not having any experience with the Catholic Church, the Mass would be intimidating. I don’t want to scare her off with too many details, but I think she should know some basics before going to Mass.OK. Show me where in this thread I said it.
My comments are only opinions, except where they’re supported with scripture.
If you want to discuss this, then please feel free to start a thread to badmouth me behind my back. I will not be participating because I don’t believe that you have anything else in mind but to badmouth me.
I apologize to the OP for falling into this person’s trap to derail this thread.
No, actually, what happened is that one of your fellow Catholic posters, with no encouragement from me, posted a link to the script followed in a Catholic mass.This was the OP’s question:How do I go about introducing the Church to an evangelical church shopper? I would think not having any experience with the Catholic Church, the Mass would be intimidating. I don’t want to scare her off with too many details, but I think she should know some basics before going to Mass.
Any suggestions?
You in turn started critizing about asking different saints to intercede for us, which wasn’t answering the OP’s question
If somebody decides they want to be a part of our church because they’re impressed by my degrees, then they’re probably not the kind of people we’re going to want for members.You have given potential “church shoppers” good reason to stay away from what you offer.
which is totally acceptable for the purpose of this thread.No, actually, what happened is that one of your fellow Catholic posters, with no encouragement from me, **posted a link **to the script followed in a Catholic mass.
and this is where you should have copied that post and started a thread of your own, because your comments had nothing to do with church shopping. this is where the thread got derailed.I simply responded that I could not go along with prayers to the dead
actually you said "You lost me at … " which does not refer to the OP and her friend at all. the friend asked point blank about the catholic church.and that this would be a stumbling block to the OP’s co-worker, if she is an evangelical Christian.
and thanks for your kind words in calling the mass crazy.My suggestion to the OP is to say to your coworker, “OK. If you come to mass with me, you’re going to see some really crazy stuff but let’s sit down and look at the Bible and I’ll show you where these things are found”.
The topic is how to present a Catholic mass to a non-Catholic. I was simply explaining that the Catholic practice of praying to the dead in the mass is problematic for Evangelical Christians and would be a stumbling block to the OP trying to introduce her co-worker to the mass.and this is where you should have copied that post and started a thread of your own, because your comments had nothing to do with church shopping. this is where the thread got derailed.
No problem.and thanks for your kind words in calling the mass crazy.
not any stranger than an altar call without an altar, a sinners prayer not from any scriptural directive, or a born again baptism that is not the sacrament instituted by Christ.The topic is how to present a Catholic mass to a non-Catholic. I was simply explaining that the Catholic practice of praying to the dead in the mass is problematic for Evangelical Christians and would be a stumbling block to the OP trying to introduce her co-worker to the mass.
No problem.
Many Christians, when seeing a mass for the first time consider many of the practices strange.
Even some of your fellow Catholics here have admitted that before they were Catholic, some Catholic practices seemed strange to them.
I see. So then, you believe it’s strange to give people an opportunity to ask for prayer?not any stranger than an altar call without an altar
Really? You don’t think there’s a “scriptural directive” to repent of your sins and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord?a sinners prayer not from any scriptural directive
Actually, whenever we baptise somebody, we understand that they will probably have family members there who may not know exactly what baptism is, so we always explain that being baptised does not make one born again.or a born again baptism that is not the sacrament instituted by Christ.
There’s an old saying that goes “to the man who has only a hammer, everything looks like a nail”. I’m sure repentance and confession in the Lordship of Christ appears to be a work to you because Catholicism requires so many works, but these things are not what the Bible describes as works.Agreed. Sounds like a work(s) to me.
No. It would be too confusing to get into everything the Bible doesn’t say about baptism. We just explain what it does say.explain that Catholic understanding too?
And that’s one reason why it is an ordinance and not a sacrament.Ordinance huh…?? Ordinances don’t exude grace… sacraments do.
God will take care of whatever you can’t but prayer can help out in this instance as well as your continued good example.How do I go about introducing the Church to an evangelical church shopper?
Any suggestions?