Cohabitation without sex -- sin or not?

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God doesn’t just asked to avoid sin, but also to keep ourselves out of situations where we will be tempted to sin. Of course, for being young, my wife and I were “old fashioned.” We got an apartment towards the end of our engagement and didn’t live in it together for over a month until our wedding night. We each made plans to stay with local friends and family during that time period. I think it was a wise choice. I know I would have been tempted to have relations early. Once you’re there it’s pretty easy to be in the mindset that things are getting pretty serious and you’ve shown a lot of commitment, etc. Rationalizations happen.
 
To answer the question, no it’s not sinful if you don’t have an intimate relation and you live as brother and sister (no sharing the same bed applies here). However, unless one of you in under financial distress or any other kind of trouble such as losing their place to live and have no other relatives, cohabitation is not recomended (This advise was actually given to me by a priest).
 
Most respondents have answered with reasons why you should not do this, but you could also look at it from the other angle: What are the good or compelling reasons to live together? Are there alternatives which might offer the same benefits? When there is a question of sinfulness, temptation, scandal, or other risks, it is often useful to remember that there are alternatives and we should not just fall into the most convenient course of action.

For example, a couple might consider living together to save money on rent and living expenses. The alternative, of course, is to find less expensive housing separately. Less expensive usually comes with drawbacks, like less space or less privacy, but these are not insurmountable problems.

You wrote that you are “debating.” Is it a purely hypothetical debate, or have you found yourselves in a situation which requires some action (say, for example, his roommate is moving out)?
That is the crux of it – we are in a semi-long-distance relationship (a several hours drive), and have been since we started dating. We are at the point where one of us is going to move so that we can be in the same place. It seems stupid to me to make the kind of commitment where you’re moving several hours away to be with someone but then not to live in the same apartment once you get there because “hey things might not work out and you’d have to divide your furniture again.” 😛

He (being a good Catholic boy) is nervous about it – but as far as I can tell, it’s mostly because he’s worried about how his mom would take it. But because of our distance, we already stay over at each other’s places every weekend (and have been since we started dating), so I don’t see how it would be all that different.
 
You don’t have to live together to have sex. The scandal (involving someone else in sin) only involves the partner you would be moving in with, not what busybodies have to say about incorrect assumptions of your situation.

That said, I do like what one of the first posters said about being honest with yourself. If you are in love, it would be more difficult to abstain in that close quarters that often. Don’t kid yourself and say it won’t be hard.

My husband and I waited until we were married for me to move in with him (though I spent an awful lot of time over there alone with him). We didn’t have sex until after our wedding, but one of the most wonderful experiences was realizing together what a piece of trash apartment we had moved into, and being able to hold each other and laugh. At least we have each other forever, even if we’re standing in our living room in a foot of dirty water. When was my last tetanus shot?

I recommend waiting to move in, if only to save that sweet uniqueness for marriage. If you have to move in for whatever reasons, take care to set rules to keep yourselves separated.
 
My husband and I did this… DON’T DO IT! It isn’t worth it. We did because I couldn’t afford to live in the area and go to school. My father who was the closest family member wouldn’t let me live with him unless I was getting an engineering degree and working full time. I tired it but taking 20 credits and working 35-40 hours. I didn’t have any friends anywhere near me that I could rent with.

We were roommates. I had my room and he had his. We worked opposite shifts and really only hung out on Sundays to go to church and spend time around town.

But the constant assumptions from others was aggravating. No one believed us. It was even worse when we had a honeymoon baby and my husband’s grandparents had the nerve to say he was conceived before we got married.

The emotional turmoil is just not worth it.
 
… we are in a semi-long-distance relationship (a several hours drive)… he’s worried about how his mom would take it… we already stay over at each other’s places every weekend (and have been since we started dating), so I don’t see how it would be all that different.
Well, it sounds like you know what you are getting into, and you are both morally strong, and are reinforcing each other in chastity. That’s great! Keep up the good work.

I’m praying for the Lord to strengthen you both and keep you from temptation.
 
My husband and I waited until we were married for me to move in with him (though I spent an awful lot of time over there alone with him). We didn’t have sex until after our wedding, but one of the most wonderful experiences was realizing together what a piece of trash apartment we had moved into, and being able to hold each other and laugh. At least we have each other forever, even if we’re standing in our living room in a foot of dirty water. When was my last tetanus shot?

I recommend waiting to move in, if only to save that sweet uniqueness for marriage. If you have to move in for whatever reasons, take care to set rules to keep yourselves separated.
This part of the issue shouldn’t be underestimated. Yes, there is the issue of scandal and potential temptation. But people have it backwards when they say you should “try things out” to see whether or not you can live with someone. Once you’re married, you’re in. It is really a bonding experience to the newness of moving in together as husband and wife, and the fact that you’re newly married helps when you get annoyed about your spouse’s habits. There’s no “out”- you’re married and you learn to deal with things and work together, because you know it’s forever.

There is a certain level of intimacy to sharing a living space. Sharing your bathroom with a spouse is not the same as sharing it with a roommate, nor is sharing meals or a bedroom or anything else. Blurring the lines between roommate and boyfriend/girlfriend is not only bad from the standpoint of making it more difficult to discern marriage, but it’s taking something that could be a very special experience with your spouse and making it less than it could be. Sex isn’t the only way spouses are intimate and learn to work together- sharing a living space is part of that too. Pretending you’re married when you’re not may seem like a fun, convenient idea that could save money but in reality it’s not a good idea, even from a secular standpoint.
 
It seems stupid to me to make the kind of commitment where you’re moving several hours away to be with someone but then not to live in the same apartment once you get there because “hey things might not work out and you’d have to divide your furniture again.” 😛
There are more pressing arguments in this thread besides the furniture. You’ve picked the least one and called it ‘stupid’ in a sense. What about the weightier matters?
He (being a good Catholic boy) is nervous about it – but as far as I can tell, it’s mostly because he’s worried about how his mom would take it. But because of our distance,** we already stay over at each other’s places every weekend **(and have been since we started dating), so I don’t see how it would be all that different.
So the slippery slope has already started. Step by step, sin doesn’t seem all that bad after all. This is why the wisdom of the saints have said not to ‘go there’ in the first place, because it gets easier and easier to drift away from what God has planned for us. We hardly even notice it. “I don’t see how it would be all that different” if everyone thought we were ‘just’ living together. No one would know if I went on the pill, and if we enjoyed too many glasses of wine. We love each other after all. We’re planning on getting married one day… This is the rationalizations we use.

As stated a number of times already, when discerning marriage, keep your head on straight, keep a respectful distance. There are plenty of abortions done, in the millions, by such rationalizations. There are plenty of regrets and tears shed by this path, taken by many ahead of you.

I think it would be a smart thing to have your boyfriend read each reply in this thread, and then have a good conversation between the 2 of you about what was said here. You are really ready and willing to step outside of God’s blessing. Do you really want to do that it this time in your life, when your decisions determine the direction of the next 75 yrs? It will affect your children and grandchildren, what you decide today. Be sober and thoughtful.
 
You don’t have to live together to have sex. The scandal (involving someone else in sin) only involves the partner you would be moving in with, not what busybodies have to say about incorrect assumptions of your situation.
Scandals will inevitably arise, but woe to him through whom they come. He would be better off thrown into the sea with a millstone around his neck than giving scandal to one of these little ones. Luke 17:1&2

Everyone of us will have to give an account of himself before God …you should resolve to put no stumbling block or hindrance in your brother’s way. Romans Ch14:12&13
You should be acting nobly if you abstained from eating meat, or drinking wine, or anything else that offers your brother an occasion for stumbling or scandal, or that weakens him in any way. Romans 14:21
 
If I cared for someone the temptation would be too much for me I couldn’t do it but I know of couples who said they did. So I guess if you can manage it fine but otherwise it’s kind of a risk to your soul.

As to what other people think…I quit caring what others thought about me a long time ago. You can’t live your life worrying over what others will say. Most people assume nowdays if you’ve been seeing someone for more then a few weeks you’re having relations already anyway.
 
Actually…a very valid point. Why not? If you’re that serious, become that serious.
I’d love that. But he has to ask first 😛

(Plus then we’d still have a year or so of living arrangements to figure out before the actual wedding anyway)
 
i kind of agree with you. people shouldn’t pass judgment without knowing you but it’s inevitable that they will. also it is temptation for you in a way. and besides, in this day in age, it’s hard enough for 2 female roommates to live together or two males. people start assuming they’re in homosexual relationships let alone a heterosexual couple.
what???🤷
 
Does he live close to his parents? If he did, maybe one of you could stay with them while you are visiting, at least for the overnights.
 
You could get married. 😉
Doesn’t solve the immediate issue for the OP given that most dioceses require 6 months to a year of pre-marriage prep.
Long distance relationships are extremely difficult and I can certainly sympathize with the OP.

My fiance and I live and work in different countries the majority of the time. I spent 5 weeks alone in the one country working and then return to be with her for 2 weeks at a time. During that 2 week period she is away at work Monday to Thursday from 5 AM to 8 PM, which really only leaves us the weekends of the 2 weeks to spend time together. In order to make the most of that precious, limited time, we do stay under the same roof during that 2 week period. She and her mother share one room/bathroom and I have another bedroom/bathroom. We do spend time together in my room (watching movies, etc), but she always returns to the room she shares with her mom for bed. In 1.5 years we have not once been intimate despite very strong attraction between us. Other posters are correct that placing yourself in a near occasion of sin is dangerous, but mature Christians do not have to be animals as most people seem to assume. I was deeply offended by the poster who stated that men living under the same roof as a woman cannot control themselves…that is beyond insulting. The key is have firm mutually understood rules in place and to abide by them. My confessor is well aware of this arrangement and doesn’t have an issue.

Generally speaking I agree that non-married couples should not live under the same roof. Most couples will be placing themselves in a near occasion of sin. But it is not intrinsically evil and on a case-by-case basis it can be discussed with one’s confessor.
 
I don’t think permanent solutions are a good idea. Living like married when you aren’t isn’t only about the sex. It has the potential to become disturbingly too much even without that.

Also, I’m not really a fan of the idea of one hotel room for a mixed couple.

On the other hand, forcing the man or the woman to go find a hotel (both trouble and expenses) or avoid visiting altogether, just because there isn’t a third person going to be in the apartment? Sounds extreme. (But the situation might be different between mere hospitality and co-running a household.)

From a logical POV, ‘weaken resolve’ doesn’t perhaps mean there must be a concrete resolve to talk about, but it still means ‘weaken’. As for ‘cause to sin’, well, I guess someone could sin in approving of the sexual relationship that he supposes to be the case, though I’m stretching it. The point is, it would probably not make a difference these days, while on the other hand you never know who will see and what he’ll think.

Thoughts?
 
My wife and I live two hours away from both of our parents.

When we started dating, we lived 2 hours apart (she lived with her mother on Long Island, NY). She came to visit me or I went to visit her. When I would visit her, I would either sleep on the couch or she would sleep on the couch.

She was a teacher, so when after a year, when the summer came; she wanted to spend a month visiting me to see if our relationship would go to the next level. The plan was to spend a month together and then decide if I would move to NYC (we were not planning on living together). So July 2001 came and my wife came to Philadelphia to visit for a month.

While staying with me, she received a call that she had been laid off from her teaching job. She tried to go on interviews for jobs in NYC, didn’t really receive any calls. She also put some in for Philly school districts, hoping to land a full time job. She never got one. The school year started, and my wife was still “visiting.” She was feeling like a failure. But I was still going on interviews in NYC, with the intent to move there and my wife would move back home.

Then, Sept 11, 2001 came.

At that moment I decided that I was not moving to NYC. A few weeks prior, in August, I had an interview with MetLife on the 82nd floor of the World Trade Center. I had two interviews that day. The first one went well, but I did not like the immorality of the company owner. While waiting for my interview at WTC, I received a call that my interview had been postponed. So I went to the WTC anyway, and visited it as tourist. I looked at the metal detectors and was a little bothered. Then, I went to the observation deck on the roof. The roof was dirty, covered in rust, and barbwire. All of a sudden I felt deep in my soul an OVERWHELMING feeling of “DO NOT WORK IN THIS BUILDING!” I left right away and told MetLife that I did not want to work there. A few weeks later a plane flew right threw their office.

Sept 12, 2001.

My wife receives the only offer for a job she would get. But it was to be a sub. If we worked every day, she would make $15,000 before tax. She took the job, but didn’t have any place to stay. She was two hours from her parents and I was two hours from mine. So my wife never left.

We didn’t get engaged until 12/28/2004.

I always felt that because of the unique circumstances surrounding our cohabitation, there was less scandal. Our parents quickly got over it and understood.

But what I didn’t realize is what we set into motion… We became “role models” - but bad ones.

Because I was living in sin, and everyone was explaining the situation, the feeling for my parents, etc was that it’s OK. Then, as time passed, everyone else began to forget the “how this happened” and were saying “look it works.” We became “poster children” for the positives of trial marriage. In May 2004, my brother graduated high school and then moved in with his girlfriend who was still in college. They lived together for 2-3 years and then finally split ways. Then, my brother went on a “sex frenzy,” lots of different girls, lots of different girl friends, etc. A few years later, he moved in with another girl and got her pregnant. They got married with the Justice of the Peace before the baby was born, and then a year later got married in the Methodist Church (because they didn’t want to attend marriage classes with the priest). My example corrupted him.

My example also corrupted my two baby sisters (I’m 8 years and 11 years older than them). My one sister failed out of college during her sophomore year after partying too hard and trying too hard to the type of girl “guys want.” She dated terrible guys for many years and became lost. She finally ended up with a guy with a strong love for Jesus, but he is Baptist. So now, my sister has returned to Jesus, but as a Baptist.

My other is has been living with her boy friend for 6-7 years (moved in with him at 18, after being a terrible teenager), had her first child at 19 and is now 25, sill not married and having her 2nd child. My sister (during her rebellious teens) never got confirmed. Her son still isn’t baptized either. But, with lots of prayer, she’s going to have my nephew baptized with his new baby brother or sister. And hopefully, with more prayer, she will attend RCIA and get confirmed.

Who knows if my co-habitation was a direct cause of my sibling’s behavior, but it did not help. I didn’t set a good example. I was the oldest. My parents always held me as the role model and standard. I was doing a great job too until… Even if my wife and I had lived as Brother & Sister the whole time, no one would have believe it. By my actions, I was telling my 15 & 12 year old sisters that premarital sex was ok. I was telling my 19 year old brother the same thing. By our actions, we are telling our 2 year old daughter that pre-marital sex and “trial marriage” is ok. Unless we LIE to our daughter.

Today, I’m 36. I still love my wife and do not regret meeting or marrying her. But looking back, sometimes I wish we never lived together.

Do everything possible to life separate. Even if you both are suck living in tiny studio apartments or finding roommates on roommates.com.

Good luck and God Bless!
 
Phil’s story brought tears to my eyes because I saw a little of myself in there…
I just want to throw some prayers in for the whole situation…

Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit,
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be world without end. Amen.
 
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