Fabius—I don’t know where you have the idea, sir, that Catholic monks introduced capitalism? If we recall, during the Medieval period (especially the earlier periods before the Fuggers, Medicis, et al.) usury, that is charging interest on a loan, was strictly forbidden by the Church. Capitalism as a theory of economics and practice thereof developed, as far as I know, following the mercantilist period of the great European princes…but, again, this was after and not before the Protestant Reformation.
George—To be fair to D. Morgan I don’t think he espousing Marxism, at all. In fact I’d go as far as saying that Moran, though I don’t know him, is probably a staunch anti-Marxist. Many Americans, IMHO, buy into the hard-right capitalist (and, tellingly, Calvinist) mantra that if you are against unbridled consumerism and an uncontrolled market you are a pinko, commie, or sometimes Marxist. In reality no practicing Catholic is able to be a Marxist, they are mutually exclusive ideologies, and IMHO Marxism is nothing but a secular perversion of the Good which the Church teaches and in becoming perverted became devilish. Mostly I agree too with Paxvobis.
MontChevalier—I agree with you. There is still a solid core of devout youth out there who would, if circumstances necessitated it, take up the Cross if the Holy Father implored it. Of course, grave circumstances would be needed in the current circumstances to justify this, and the disgusting and tainted media of our times gives us a porn-and-drug induced lineups of goons to keep the majority of young Catholics—Christians in general—oblivious to this fact. But, again IMO, as the degenerate Secular West continues to unravel around us like so much used yarn it may very well be the young generations of Catholics who preserve the Church, if fact it will be them.
Again, Fabius, I must disagree with your critique of immigration: as it applies to this thread and context of the Secular West’s collapse being good for the Church. By and large, emphasis mine because of factual disputes on other threads, Hispanic immigration=increased Catholicism. This, as a general statement, perhaps with a significant minority diversion, is true. Hence the Hispanic immigration into the United States, which is at this time (and perhaps it historically always has been) a mix of radical Protestantism and equally radical secularism, is good in that it acts as leaven to Christianize, to Catholicize, the US. One of the only groups in the US to still take family life seriously, at all, are Hispanic Catholics. Just go to a park and take a look.
Lets take Britain as an example too Fabius. You make a point of saying “Europe is sinking because its huge government bureaucracy cannot support the demographic crisis, third world immigrants, and its rigid economic system” which is somewhat true, though I’d argue cultural degeneracy (the Secular West per se) and the abandonment of the Church in Europe preceded those crises. Of all Europe, Britain seems to have: the most self-abasing and irrationally ‘progressive’ government, the highest levels of Muslim immigration/dominance, the quickest decline in Christian ethics and practice. And what does the Good Lord provide as a ballast for sinking Britannia?
Polish immigration. Devoutly Catholic Poles emigrating into Britain have meant that there are more practicing Catholics in Britain than Anglicans (I cannot provide a statistic, but I have heard this mentioned in several places).
So the long and short of it mon ami is that immigration may be a very good thing to help the Church weather the collapse of the Secular West and afterwards thrive.
