Coming in and out of the Liturgy

[RyanBlack]

Tá fáilte romhat.

 

[5Loaves]

That is why at certain points of the Liturgy, the Deacon will call upon the attention of the people so that all would focus on what’s going on at the altar.

Someone with a better memory than mine can help… I recall reading in some of Fr. Taft’s honored writings on the Liturgy he says that this Sophia! Orthia!/Wisdom! Aright!/ Wisdom! Let us attend!.. was there in early times because there was all kinds of activity going on among the faithful during Liturgy, that it was a far cry from the observant Liturgy we see today. Not unlike the Sanctus bells that ring four times during the Roman Rite Holy Mass when at least in earlier times of my youth pre-V2 the priest’s prayers weren’t audible to the faithful, they didn’t know where he was in the Mass and were involving themselves with praying the rosary or reading some devotional material.

 

[dvdjs]

Someone with a better memory than mine can help… I recall reading in some of Fr. Taft’s honored writings on the Liturgy he says that this Sophia! Orthia!/Wisdom! Aright!/ Wisdom! Let us attend!.. was there in early times because there was all kinds of activity going on among the faithful during Liturgy, that it was a far cry from the observant Liturgy we see today.

You are probably thinking of Fr Taft’s book:Through Their Own Eyes: Liturgy as the Byzantines Saw It. There was a lot going on but it was not necessarily this business of people milling about doing their own, reverencing and such. SJChrsysostom had som e strong words criticizing scandalously poor behavior at the liturgy. Key point: bad behavior was seen as bad behavior, not enculturation, and not Orthodox phronema.

 

[Aramis]

You are probably thinking of Fr Taft’s book:Through Their Own Eyes: Liturgy as the Byzantines Saw It. There was a lot going on but it was not necessarily this business of people milling about doing their own, reverencing and such. SJChrsysostom had som e strong words criticizing scandalously poor behavior at the liturgy. Key point: bad behavior was seen as bad behavior, not enculturation, and not Orthodox phronema.

And almost every thing that St. John C. complains of still happens… at least occasionally… in EO and EC parishes.

Much going on has remained, to many bishops’ consternation, part of the overal phronema of the east, despite the desire by many clerics and faithful for it not to be.

 

[dvdjs]

And almost every thing that St. John C. complains of still happens… at least occasionally… in EO and EC parishes.

Much going on has remained, to many bishops’ consternation, part of the overal phronema of the east, despite the desire by many clerics and faithful for it not to be.

Yes and no. There still remains laxity, inattention, distraction, and sin, East and West. But let’s not try to explain that as culture of phronema.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

In the olden days (1950’s) we Roman/Latin rite Catholics were taught that attending mass on Sundays was how we observed the third commandment. In those days the minimum was to be there for the offertory, consecration, and communion of the priest. To do otherwise was considered seriously sinful. (Our understanding today is that we should be present for the entire mass barring unforeseen happenings.)

In a similar way, do many Eastern Catholics feel that they have an obligation to be present for the Eucharistic prayer and not for the other parts of the liturgy?

Masses I’ve attended usually last for one to one and a half hours. Is the Divine Liturgy really long?

 

[Little_Boy_Lost]

Masses I’ve attended usually last for one to one and a half hours. Is the Divine Liturgy really long?

Define Long.

The typical Liturgy without Orthros or Panihidas at my parish runs about one hour and twenty minutes.

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

On Mount Athos to attend all the services, not only would be a very mighty effort, it would require not sleeping for days on end.
To leave the church, stretch one’s legs and then return refreshed seems very beneficial.
And to “leave” the church and join others who are doing the same seems to build a community feeling.
A lot like the all night vigils in the Western rite.

I remember attending an Easter service not so long ago and asking the officiating priest what time the service started (not wanting to miss anything) to be told, eventually after much badgering by myself, “We see, we have enough people, we start!” Very different from what one is more used to with punctuality and time regimentation.

 

[angelic06]

Do not ask me because I despise the term American Catholic (it smells of the heresy of Americanism) and also because I do not believe that there is any structure that could be considered the American Catholic Church.

I am a Catholic of the Latin Church living in the USA that attends Liturgies in the Latin Church, the Maronite Church and the Byzantine Church. I would define myself simply as a privileged Catholic.

Same here, especially the term, privileged Catholic.

And I, too, detest the term American Catholic, not only for the same reasons you gave, but because when the term is used, it is usually used to describe all the bad things Catholics in the U.S. are today: non-attenders of the Mass/Divine Liturgy, supporters of abortion, etc. etc.