Coming to Newark Archdiocese: A Different Kind of Cardinal

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Coming to Newark Archdiocese: A Different Kind of Cardinal

I just finished reading the excellent piece the NYTimes did on Cardinal Tobin and his move to Newark.
As the pope has made clear over the past three years, fancy lifestyles, formality and regal titles like Prince of the Church are out of style for cardinals. So is an emphasis on the divisive issues of abortion and same-sex marriage, even though the church’s underlying position on those issues has not changed.
Instead, in the pope’s view, the church should emphasize humility and service to the poor. It should be multicultural, welcoming different styles of worship. It should reach out to other faiths and stand up for immigrants, refugees and nuns.
And that, church experts and members of his flock say, is a close description of the priorities of Cardinal Tobin, who will be heading east just after Christmas to lead the approximately 1.5 million Catholics in the Archdiocese of Newark.
The new Cardinal sounds like an extraordinary man, and it will be interesting to watch his ministry in Newark unfold.

nytimes.com/2016/12/22/nyregion/cardinal-joseph-w-tobin-archdiocese-newark.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
 
Coming to Newark Archdiocese: A Different Kind of Cardinal

I just finished reading the excellent piece the NYTimes did on Cardinal Tobin and his move to Newark.

The new Cardinal sounds like an extraordinary man, and it will be interesting to watch his ministry in Newark unfold.

nytimes.com/2016/12/22/nyregion/cardinal-joseph-w-tobin-archdiocese-newark.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
I’m not sure how accurate what the New York Times says about the Church is. It’s like they never actually check what they are saying
 
I’m not sure how accurate what the New York Times says about the Church is. It’s like they never actually check what they are saying
From their executive editor:
I think that the New York-based and Washington-based too probably, media powerhouses don’t quite get religion. We have a fabulous religion writer, but she’s all alone. We don’t get religion. We don’t get the role of religion in people’s lives.
 
I’m not sure how accurate what the New York Times says about the Church is. It’s like they never actually check what they are saying
The phrase “different kind of Cardinal” seems to condemn all other cardinals as “the same” in the sense of indistinguishable from each other and lacking all of the positive characteristics this particular Cardinal exhibits.

How is that not a backhanded insult to the other Cardinals, to the leadership of the Church in general and divisive purely by implication?

The press certainly doesn’t get religion and demonstrates that fact by pushing its own leftist views on what it is that makes Cardinals “different” in any laudable sense.

There is a website devoted to how the press doesn’t get religion. Unsurprisingly, it is called…
getreligion.org/
 
I’m not sure how accurate what the New York Times says about the Church is. It’s like they never actually check what they are saying
Would you please point out inaccuracies or anything untruthful in the article? Or do you think it is just off base in a general way?

In my experience, the NYTimes is quite good at fact checking.
 
I totally agree that Cardinal Tobin is a breath of fresh air.
 
I totally agree that Cardinal Tobin is a breath of fresh air.
I responded with great respect to his history of pastoral care, sitting bedside with those who were dying of AIDS. That did not happen often, believe me. He was instrumental in working with the Sisters during that difficult time for them and bringing it to a happy conclusion. I am impressed that he has gone head to head with Gov Pence over immigrants, and my guess is that the work will only intensify. May his voice ring loud and clear.

Newark may end up being a real model for how to be the Church because of Cardinal Tobin.
 
Let’s see. The prior archbishop is John Myers. He is known of course as a canon law expert but gee, he also had many years of service as a pastoral priest before becoming assistant bishop (I think Peoria was the first). Came from a farm family. helped draft the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People, the linchpin document that guides the Church in dealing compassionately with victims of abuse and openly with civil authorities. helped draft the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People, the linchpin document that guides the Church in dealing compassionately with victims of abuse and openly with civil authorities.

Before that: Theodore McCarrick: a huge advocate for social justice, developed ministries for Hispanics, for **those suffering from AIDS,/B, drug prevention programs. .

before that: Peter Gerety: the first pastor of a center that became an interracial social and religious organization that catered to the ministry of African Americans and a powerful voice for black civil rights; developed a ministry for divorced Catholics while archbishop of Newark.

Before that: Thomas Boland, attended all four sessions of Vatican II, chosen to head the Bishops’ Study committee.

Before that: Thomas Walsh, first archbishop (after diocese elevated to archbishopric): known for emphasis on education.

None of them seemed to live in ‘palaces’. They all seem to smell pretty sheepy.

I think whoever writes religion articles for the NY Times (at least this article anyway) kind of missed the boat. It looks to me as if the 'working with and for the poor, the disadvantaged" etc. is something that pretty much all the former archbishops of Newark. . .did.

So Cardinal Tobin isn’t setting a precedent; it’s more like he will find himself fitting in well with his predecessors.**
 
Coming to Newark Archdiocese: A Different Kind of Cardinal

I just finished reading the excellent piece the NYTimes did on Cardinal Tobin and his move to Newark.

The new Cardinal sounds like an extraordinary man, and it will be interesting to watch his ministry in Newark unfold.

nytimes.com/2016/12/22/nyregion/cardinal-joseph-w-tobin-archdiocese-newark.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
He is a person I hold in the very highest of regard and esteem. A truly remarkable ecclesiastic.

I could not be happier with what Pope Francis has done in his appointments regarding the new Cardinal…in affirming him and also so that he may provide tremendous help to the bishops in the United States in his new status.

Thank you for sharing the article from the New York Times…it is a truly splendid piece that quite well captures everything.

The clergy and laity of the Archdiocese of Newark are blessed indeed to have him as their shepherd, especially at this moment in their history.
 
I was pretty impressed by how much the Cardinal is deadlifting. That’s very impressive for someone who isn’t an elite athlete. 👍

He sounds like he will be a terrific archbishop for Newark, as I trust he was for Indianapolis. May God bless him.
 
Newark is my archdiocese. So, is this Cardinal known to be more orthodox or less?
 
Newark is my archdiocese. So, is this Cardinal known to be more orthodox or less?
Less. hence the NY Times article…it’s kind of an “If A then B thing”.

Laura Ingraham’s Lifezette has a good article on this appointment and the reasons for it. Try Googling it.
 
The phrase “different kind of Cardinal” seems to condemn all other cardinals as “the same” in the sense of indistinguishable from each other and lacking all of the positive characteristics this particular Cardinal exhibits.

How is that not a backhanded insult to the other Cardinals, to the leadership of the Church in general and divisive purely by implication?

The press certainly doesn’t get religion and demonstrates that fact by pushing its own leftist views on what it is that makes Cardinals “different” in any laudable sense.

There is a website devoted to how the press doesn’t get religion. Unsurprisingly, it is called…
getreligion.org/
Exactly, especially the bolded.

How this article can be called “excellent” or “splendid” is beyond me. There’s some awesome bits in there about Cardinal Tobin’s life and his devotion to the souls he pastors, but it’s obvious the article (and its author) has an agenda to push with all its insinuations on the characters of many other prelates in the Church. So what if Cardinal Myers preferred to be called “Your Grace”? That, and they give no evidence of him preferring to be addressed as such, and even if he did I’m sure he wouldn’t mind if he wasn’t addressed by that title, as the article insinuates.

I also don’t like how the article tries to paint everything in the Church as “liberal” or “conservative”, as many people in secular culture (because that’s what this newspaper is; highly secular and critical of the Catholic Church in all aspects) are wont to do today. It’s not about being “liberal” or “conservative”; it’s about one’s commitment to orthodoxy. But secular news organizations don’t care much about fidelity to orthodoxy, do they?

Because if they did, they wouldn’t insinuate things like this:
“As the pope has made clear over the past three years,** fancy lifestyles, formality and regal titles like Prince of the Church are out of style for cardinals. So is an emphasis on the divisive issues of abortion and same-sex marriage**, even though the church’s underlying position on those issues has not changed.”
Granted, fancy lifestyles absolutely should be “out of style”. But read that again. This author actually tries to make the insinuation that Pope Francis “has made clear” emphases on abortion and SSM are “out of style”…? Ridiculous! Pope Francis is a son of the Church! These issues can only be said to be “divisive” in the eyes of those that see the Church’s teaching on these issues as out of touch, or even morally wrong (as many secularists in the West do in fact perceive these issues)…

In an interview with Vittorio Messori, Pope St. John Paul Il said, "It is difficult to imagine a more unjust situation [the legalization, as well as the act, of abortion], and it is very difficult to speak of obsession in a matter such as this, where we are dealing with a fundamental imperative of every good conscience — the defense of the right to life of an innocent and defenseless human being.”

Also, in a 2003 document released by the CDF, St. John Paul II approved of the following mentality:
“In those situations where homosexual unions have been legally recognized or have been given the legal status and rights belonging to marriage, clear and emphatic opposition is a duty. One must refrain from any kind of formal cooperation in the enactment or application of such gravely unjust laws and, as far as possible, from material cooperation on the level of their application. In this area, everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection.
Do we really think Pope Francis believes these modes of thought are out of style? Of course not. This is another example of the New York Times pushing their liberal (and heterodox) agenda as they try to paint the Church (or what they and other news organizations such as the Washington Post and National Catholic Reporter call “the institutional Church”) as stuck in the mud, reactionary, and an enemy of progress. What the Times has posited here is completely inaccurate of how the Church views many of the hot-button issues of our culture, and the insinuations it paints of past cardinals and prelates also proves to be untruthful, as we can see in the examples given by Tantum Ergo. The Church’s emphasis on issues such as abortion and the truth and reality of marriage will never “go out of style”, and Pope Francis will never make it clear that such issues are, somehow, out of style.

It’s also ridiculous that formality is “out of style” as I always am respectful and formal when I meet with the bishops of my diocese and neighboring dioceses, and to say that Pope Francis has made clear that doing such things as this, as well as addressing our bishops as “Your Excellency”, are out of vogue is absolutely absurd.
 
Would you please point out inaccuracies or anything untruthful in the article? Or do you think it is just off base in a general way?
In my experience, the NYTimes is quite good at fact checking.
What I wrote above points out those inaccuracies and untruthful elements that you asked about.

As far as the Times being “quite good at fact checking”, they have a penchant for accuratebut. For instance, the New York Times actually put in print that the body of Jesus Christ is buried in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.

The Times also claimed that the Book of Romans calls for the “execution of homosexuals” where a simple reading of the text clearly shows that St. Paul does not call for the execution of homosexuals. And those are only a few examples.

I absolutely hate how the New York Times and other secular media outlets love to pit members of the Catholic Church (and other churches) against each other, by using hyperbolic language, baseless assumptions, and ridiculous insinuations.

I pray that Cardinal Tobin is successful in his pastoral ministry to his flock and that his work leads to the conversion and salvation of many souls, as I pray for all our bishops and clergy. May God grant him many years.
 
Exactly, especially the bolded.

How this article can be called “excellent” or “splendid” is beyond me. There’s some awesome bits in there about Cardinal Tobin’s life and his devotion to the souls he pastors, but it’s obvious the article (and its author) has an agenda to push with all its insinuations on the characters of many other prelates in the Church. So what if Cardinal Myers preferred to be called “Your Grace”? That, and they give no evidence of him preferring to be addressed as such, and even if he did I’m sure he wouldn’t mind if he wasn’t addressed by that title, as the article insinuates.

I also don’t like how the article tries to paint everything in the Church as “liberal” or “conservative”, as many people in secular culture (because that’s what this newspaper is; highly secular and critical of the Catholic Church in all aspects) are wont to do today. It’s not about being “liberal” or “conservative”; it’s about one’s commitment to orthodoxy. But secular news organizations don’t care much about fidelity to orthodoxy, do they?

Because if they did, they wouldn’t insinuate things like this:

Granted, fancy lifestyles absolutely should be “out of style”. But read that again. This author actually tries to make the insinuation that Pope Francis “has made clear” emphases on abortion and SSM are “out of style”…? Ridiculous! Pope Francis is a son of the Church! These issues can only be said to be “divisive” in the eyes of those that see the Church’s teaching on these issues as out of touch, or even morally wrong (as many secularists in the West do in fact perceive these issues)…

In an interview with Vittorio Messori, Pope St. John Paul Il said, "It is difficult to imagine a more unjust situation [the legalization, as well as the act, of abortion], and it is very difficult to speak of obsession in a matter such as this, where we are dealing with a fundamental imperative of every good conscience — the defense of the right to life of an innocent and defenseless human being.”

Also, in a 2003 document released by the CDF, St. John Paul II approved of the following mentality:

Do we really think Pope Francis believes these modes of thought are out of style? Of course not. This is another example of the New York Times pushing their liberal (and heterodox) agenda as they try to paint the Church (or what they and other news organizations such as the Washington Post and National Catholic Reporter call “the institutional Church”) as stuck in the mud, reactionary, and an enemy of progress. What the Times has posited here is completely inaccurate of how the Church views many of the hot-button issues of our culture, and the insinuations it paints of past cardinals and prelates also proves to be untruthful, as we can see in the examples given by Tantum Ergo. The Church’s emphasis on issues such as abortion and the truth and reality of marriage will never “go out of style”, and Pope Francis will never make it clear that such issues are, somehow, out of style.

It’s also ridiculous that formality is “out of style” as I always am respectful and formal when I meet with the bishops of my diocese and neighboring dioceses, and to say that Pope Francis has made clear that doing such things as this, as well as addressing our bishops as “Your Excellency”, are out of vogue is absolutely absurd.
When it comes to facts and fact checking…
  1. Archbishop Myers is not a Cardinal.
  2. Those in his acquaintance are quite aware of his wish to be addressed in the fashion of an archbishop of the British commonwealth rather than what is the convention for American archbishops. So, yes, the author is correct.
  3. The use of honorifics for bishops continues to diminish, in general usage, as the Church continues to advance in the multifaceted simplification that the Blessed Paul VI implemented in the wake of the Council.
  4. There are many things which call for the Church’s prophetic voice today…as the Holy Father shows, for example, in his encyclical Laudato Si’.
  5. As for how others have arrived at the conclusion that the article is an “excellent” and “splendid” piece of journalism…I shall leave that without further commentary.
 
When it comes to facts and fact checking…
  1. Archbishop Myers is not a Cardinal.
  2. Those in his acquaintance are quite aware of his wish to be addressed in the fashion of an archbishop of the British commonwealth rather than what is the convention for American archbishops. So, yes, the author is correct.
  3. The use of honorifics for bishops continues to diminish, in general usage, as the Church continues to advance in the multifaceted simplification that the Blessed Paul VI implemented in the wake of the Council.
  4. There are many things which call for the Church’s prophetic voice today…as the Holy Father shows, for example, in his encyclical Laudato Si’.
  5. As for how others have arrived at the conclusion that the article is an “excellent” and “splendid” piece of journalism…I shall leave that without further commentary.
Interestingly, in my Province, the suffragan bishops seem to be generally addressed as simply “Bishop”, but “Your Grace” continues to be quite prevalent when addressing our metropolitan. Certainly when I’ve met His Grace I have addressed him as such. He certainly wouldn’t blink if someone addressed him as “Archbishop” instead, but “Your Grace” remains normative.
The bishop who received me into the Church explicitly stated that he preferred to be addressed as “Bishop” rather than as “Your Excellency”.
 
I wonder why Archbishop Myers wants for people to call him “Your Grace”.

This seems a bit obnoxious on it’s face.
 
I wonder why Archbishop Myers wants for people to call him “Your Grace”.

This seems a bit obnoxious on it’s face.
I question the article’s claim. I live in the Newark archdiocese and have met Archbishop Myers several times. After the last Mass I went to where he was the celebrant, some people called him Your Grace. some called him Bishop Myers, some called him Archbishop Myers. He was perfectly gracious to all of them and never once corrected any of them or even hinted as to his preference. Even if he does prefer one title, it’s not like he’s going around with his nose in the air among the peasantry, which is what one might think from the article’s description of him.
 
I wonder why Archbishop Myers wants for people to call him “Your Grace”.

This seems a bit obnoxious on it’s face.
It is the normative address for archbishops in much of the British Commonwealth and for Eastern bishops in general in much of the English world.
 
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