Commandments

[BTTG]

Do Catholics believe/have to obey the 10 commandments?

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[lax16]

Do Catholics believe/have to obey the 10 commandments?

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Yes, I will be teaching the Ten Commandments to my second grade catechism students. It is very important for them to know and understand them and we will spend a lot of time on this.

 

[Third_Day]

Do Catholics believe/have to obey the 10 commandments?

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They are called the Ten Commandments not the Ten Suggestions.

 

[Nicea325]

Do Catholics believe/have to obey the 10 commandments?

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YEP! Why do you ask?

 

[PJM]

=BTTG;6979374]Do Catholics believe/have to obey the 10 commandments?

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Of course we do. “ Matt.19: 17 “And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

The CC is the Orginal Bible Church

The Bible was assembled and the NT written by Catholics for Catholics [there were no other Christian Churches in existence] until 1,200 years have the Bible’s Canon was set and approved by Christ [John 17:14-19].

May I ask what prompts the question?

Love and prayers,
Pat

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Do Catholics believe/have to obey the 10 commandments?

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No.

They’ve replaced them with the 10 Ways the Pope Eats Babies.

G’fa ha ha ha!!! :whacky:

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[PaulDupre]

Do Catholics believe/have to obey the 10 commandments?

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121 pages of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (pp. 551-672) are devoted to an in-depth examination of the 10 commandments and what Catholics must do, and not do, in order to obey them.

We see the 10 commandments as the basis for all Judeo-Christian morality. Jesus expanded and clarified these commandments.

Paul

 

[BTTG]

Thank you to all who responded.

Would you please tell me what the 10 commandments are and where they are located in the bible.?

Thank you.

craig

 

[regression]

Thank you to all who responded.

Would you please tell me what the 10 commandments are and where they are located in the bible.?

Thank you.

craig

In case your question is leading to why are the 10 commandments “different” between the Catholic and Protestant bibles, this explains it:

catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0403fea3.asp

 

[SDA2RC]

We keep the Natural/Moral imperatives contained in the 10 Commandments, we do not keep the ceremonial aspects. i.e. the Sabbath, not creating images of anything on heaven or earth. etc.

 

[wmscott]

In case your question is leading to why are the 10 commandments “different” between the Catholic and Protestant bibles, this explains it:

catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0403fea3.asp

I have a feeling that this is exactly where this is leading to. I will be curious of BTTG’s thoughts once he has given this link a good read. I really hope this is not a bash Catholicism or how Catholics got it wrong thread. Seen way to many of them and getting a little tired of them also.

 

[PJM]

=BTTG;6983028]Thank you to all who responded.

Would you please tell me what the 10 commandments are and where they are located in the bible.?

Thank you.

craig

Exodus Chapter 20. However one needs to realize that the Commandments are ONLY catagaory headings for sins that can prevent our access to heaven.

For example look what Jesus has to say in these few examples:

**Matt.5: 22 **But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, `You fool!’ shall be liable to the hell of fire.

28 But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

32 But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

2Pet.3: 6 speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.

Jesus is telling us there is much more than what seem apparant to us, that can prevent us from fully Obeying Him.

**Matt.7: 21 **“Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”

In order to DO GOD’s WILL, we must know what it is!

Matt.16: 19 I [Jesus]will give you [Peter and MY Catholic Churc] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

No place BUT Christ Catholic Church has this power!

Eph. 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [singular] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular[/COLOR]] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Eph. 4: 4 “There is one body [One Church] and one Spirit, One set of beliefs] just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, 5 one Lord, One God] one faith, [One set of doctrine and dogma[/COLOR]] one baptism, By water in the Trinity] one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. "

Christ Has made only ONE New Covenant, founded ONe Church and demands ONLY one Faith.

Love and prayers,
Pat

 

[JonNC]

Thank you to all who responded.

Would you please tell me what the 10 commandments are and where they are located in the bible.?

Thank you.

craig

Craig,
If your intention is the point that different Christian groups number them differently - Lutherans and Catholics number them the same, though differently than Orthodox or Protestants - it really is irrelevent since in all the numberings the same commandments are there, the same message and law are there.

Jon

 

[dougfreed]

King James Bible Galatians 2-21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

The Ten Commandments are in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5

I thought this was interesting… Ten Commandments

 

[Third_Day]

=dougfreed;6984838]King James Bible Galatians 2-21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Paul isn’t saying it is not necessary to keep the commandments for salvation if that’s what you are getting at.
The Jews believed that all they needed to do to be saved was to keep the law through human effort. In other words, work their way to heaven

Paul is simply telling the Galatians that with the death and ressurrection of Christ we are saved by grace and not simply by keeping the law. This doesn’t exclude keeping the 10 commandments for salvation. Paul says this in Romans 2:13" It is not the hears of the law who are justified before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified”

1 Cor.7:19:
For neither circumcision counts for anything nor circumcision. Keeping the commandments of God is what counts.

Paul is talking about the moral law which must be kept to enter eternal life just as Jesus said when asked “Teacher what good deed must I do to enter eternal life?”
Jesus answered “If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

 

[BTTG]

Thank you once again for all those who responded. We all can learn from one another.

It’s not about “bashing” Catholics. I love all Catholic people and people in all other denominations. I have Catholic, Protestant, Reform, Atheist,and other denominational friends. It is not the people that I have differences with, but the doctrines of a particular denomination and the “system”.

Regarding the 10 commandments, we are not saved when we obey them. Obeying the law will not provide us salvation. We obey the law because we love God. The law is like a mirror. The law shows us our blemishes and then we turn to Jesus for His loving grace.

We are only, by the grace of God, saved by grace through faith in the Lord.

I am sure glad that no one has mentioned that the 10 commandments were for the Jews only!!

When I first joined this site, one Catholic member had stated that the Catholic Church is based on the Bible. What I read, through references provided by members, is not what the Bible states , but what the tradition has been in the early Catholic Church. Those that provided the reference to the Catholic site on the 10 commandments ( I thank you for that), please read how many times the word “tradition” is used.

What I don’t understand is why God would write the 10 commandments with his own finger in stone and then man could change 2 of the commandments. (Mat 5:18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Mat 5:19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

When Jesus stated these words, I would not think that He thought that the law would be changed only some 2 or 3 hundred years later. Jesus was specific as to one jot ( very small part of anything) , or one tittle of the law shall not be changed until the new heavens and new earth.

John states in Rev.14:12 that those who are saved will “keep the commandments of God…”. These commandments are those in Exo and Deut. John does not state that the 2nd commandment has been abolished and the 4th commandment is now the Sabbath of Sunday. First, John here is talking about all those throughout history until Jesus’ second coming. Second, in Rev. 22:18-19 John tells us that if we add anything or take away anything from the book of Revelations that we will not enter the Kingdom of God.

I will respond to anyone, who is willing to have dialogue in a Christian manner.

God’s blessings to you all.
craig

 

[BTTG]

For some reason the initial post did not go through, this is a re-post.

Thank you once again for all those who responded. We all can learn from one another.

It’s not about “bashing” Catholics. I love all Catholic people and people in all other denominations. I have Catholic, Protestant, Reform, Atheist,and other denominational friends. It is not the people that I have differences with, but the doctrines of a particular denomination and the “system”.

Regarding the 10 commandments, we are not saved when we obey them. Obeying the law will not provide us salvation. We obey the law because we love God. The law is like a mirror. The law shows us our blemishes and then we turn to Jesus for His loving grace.

We are only, by the grace of God, saved by grace through faith in the Lord.

I am sure glad that no one has mentioned that the 10 commandments were for the Jews only!!

When I first joined this site, one Catholic member had stated that the Catholic Church is based on the Bible. What I read, through references provided by members, is not what the Bible states , but what the tradition has been in the early Catholic Church. Those that provided the reference to the Catholic site on the 10 commandments ( I thank you for that), please read how many times the word “tradition” is used.

What I don’t understand is why God would write the 10 commandments with his own finger in stone and then man could change 2 of the commandments. (Mat 5:18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Mat 5:19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

When Jesus stated these words, I would not think that He thought that the law would be changed only some 2 or 3 hundred years later. Jesus was specific as to one jot ( very small part of anything) , or one tittle of the law shall not be changed until the new heavens and new earth.

John states in Rev.14:12 that those who are saved will “keep the commandments of God…”. These commandments are those in Exo and Deut. John does not state that the 2nd commandment has been abolished and the 4th commandment is now the Sabbath of Sunday. First, John here is talking about all those throughout history until Jesus’ second coming. Second, in Rev. 22:18-19 John tells us that if we add anything or take away anything from the book of Revelations that we will not enter the Kingdom of God.

I will respond to anyone, who is willing to have dialogue in a Christian manner.

God’s blessings to you all.
craig

 

[SDA2RC]

I am sure glad that no one has mentioned that the 10 commandments were for the Jews only!!

Um… they were…

When I first joined this site, one Catholic member had stated that the Catholic Church is based on the Bible. What I read, through references provided by members, is not what the Bible states , but what the tradition has been in the early Catholic Church. Those that provided the reference to the Catholic site on the 10 commandments ( I thank you for that), please read how many times the word “tradition” is used.

Umm… that is what the Bible states…

What I don’t understand is why God would write the 10 commandments with his own finger in stone and then man could change 2 of the commandments.

No one has changed them… what I dont understand is why you would day that?

(Mat 5:18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Mat 5:19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. When Jesus stated these words, I would not think that He thought that the law would be changed only some 2 or 3 hundred years later. Jesus was specific as to one jot ( very small part of anything) , or one tittle of the law shall not be changed until the new heavens and new earth.

You misread the verses

Matthew 5:17 does not support your idea of an eternal Sabbath, in fact quite the opposite when taken in context.

17"Do not think that I came to abolish the (A)Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

18"For truly I say to you, (B)until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

It actually suggest that that law would pass away when all was accomplished.

John 19:30 -
30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Interestingly, Jesus used the Greek word “tetelestai” or τελέω (strongsnumbers.com/greek/5055.htm) for “it is finished.” This word means “paid in full”, or accomplished. When a debt was fully paid, this word would be written on a loan document, will, or letter.

In the first century, when people had paid their debt in full, they would shout out the word “tetelestai.” It was a shout of triumph…a shout of victory. When Jesus said, “it is finished,” He was declaring victory and final accomplishment.

In additon, the term the Law and the Prophets is indicative of the entire Old Testament (the Law = Moses writings, the prophets = the rest) As I pointed out to you above the verse actually states that they will pass away just not until all is done.

Scripture is actually more specific too…

“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached…” Luke 16:16

Matthew 11:13 “For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.”

According to these texts, the “Law and the Prophets” which you indicated included the Sabbath, are only to be preached until the Time of John. Afterwards, they are replaced by the kingdom of God. (Which is the Church), but either way, the law and the prophets had a definite endpoint. Therefore, the Sabbath had an endpoint.

If thats the case then the Church has replaced the Law and the Prophets (as is indicated in other parts or scripture) and you are actually at fault for not obeying the elders of the Church and following tradition as scripture commands. (Hebrews 13:17, Matthew 16)

2 Thess 2:15
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us

2 Thess 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.

You seem to dislike Tradition, but the Apostles themselves reference it as a source of authority. Are you following the traditions passed on by the Apostles by letter AND WORD OF MOUTH?

John states in Rev.14:12 that those who are saved will “keep the commandments of God…”.

Right… it doesnt say “TEN Commandments” it says keep the commandments of God. Unfortunately, you have wrongly interpreted that to mean only 10 commandments. For example… Paul, when writing about the wives being silent in Church calls it the “Lords Commandment” (Is this one that Sabbatarians keep in order to be the Remnant?)

 

[JonNC]

Thank you once again for all those who responded. We all can learn from one another.

John states in Rev.14:12 that those who are saved will “keep the commandments of God…”. These commandments are those in Exo and Deut. John does not state that the 2nd commandment has been abolished and the 4th commandment is now the Sabbath of Sunday. First, John here is talking about all those throughout history until Jesus’ second coming. Second, in Rev. 22:18-19 John tells us that if we add anything or take away anything from the book of Revelations that we will not enter the Kingdom of God.

I will respond to anyone, who is willing to have dialogue in a Christian manner.

God’s blessings to you all.
craig

Hi Craig,
Who abolished the 2nd commandment?

Jon

 

[BTTG]

Hi everyone,

I posted a reply with my comments and thanking those who are conversing about this topic about the 10 commandments, about 7 hours ago. For some reason my comments have not been posted.

Has anyone had this problem? Maybe I am doing something wrong with the post.

Thanks
craig