Um… they were…
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Do you think that the 10 commandments were only for the Jews/Literal Israel?
You misread the verses
Matthew 5:17 does not support your idea of an eternal Sabbath, in fact quite the opposite when taken in context.
17"Do not think that I came to abolish the (A)Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18"For truly I say to you, (B)until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law
until all is accomplished.
It actually suggest that that law would pass away when all was accomplished.
Are you saying then that after the crucifixion that we no longer have to obey the 10 commandments because the law passed away?
**You are assuming that “when all is accomplished” is at the time of Jesus’ crucifixion. However, it leaves nothing to be interpreted when the above verse reads " until heaven and earth pass away. This takes place at the end of earth’s history…(Rev 21:1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
The question by many is the word “fulfill”. Many people understand the meaning of this word as to bring a completion to, or to finish. However, the meaning can also mean to bring to realization, to develop the full potential, to perform or do as commands. Therefore, we do not know what the meaning of the word is in this verse. However, I believe you are using the meaning as completion, done with, abolished.
Now lets substitute the word" fulfill", with “abolished” into the verse. It would read …17"Do not think that I came to abolish the (A)Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to abolish.**
What does Jesus mean by using the word “fulfill”?
Jesus uses “fulfill” during his Baptism …(Mat 3:15) And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Would that make any sense?
John 19:30 -
30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said,
It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Interestingly, Jesus used the Greek word “tetelestai” or τελέω (
strongsnumbers.com/greek/5055.htm) for “it is finished.” This word means “paid in full”, or accomplished. When a debt was fully paid, this word would be written on a loan document, will, or letter.
In the first century, when people had paid their debt in full, they would shout out the word “tetelestai.” It was a shout of triumph…a shout of victory. When Jesus said, “it is finished,” He was declaring victory and final accomplishment.
In additon, the term the Law and the Prophets is indicative of the entire Old Testament (the Law = Moses writings, the prophets = the rest) As I pointed out to you above the verse actually states that they will pass away just not until all is done.
Remember thou that there are 2 groups of laws 1) 10 commandments 2) Ordinances,civial laws. One was written by the finger of God, the other written by the finger of Moses
Furthermore, by your explanation of “it is done”, this time in history could also be at the end of the earth’s history…(Rev 21:6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Nevertheless, I don’t believe the meaning is abolished, or taken away.
Scripture is actually more specific too…
“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached…” Luke 16:16
**Does that mean that the method of salvation has been changed between the OT and NT. ** Furthermore, was Jesus following the OT by keeping the Sabbath, or was His preaching to inform the Jews of the new covenant?
Matthew 11:13 “For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.”
According to these texts, the “Law and the Prophets” which you indicated included the Sabbath, are only to be preached until the Time of John. Afterwards, they are replaced by the kingdom of God. (Which is the Church), but either way, the law and the prophets had a definite endpoint. Therefore, the Sabbath had an endpoint.
Before I explain the above, who is John?
If thats the case then the Church has replaced the Law and the Prophets (as is indicated in other parts or scripture) and you are actually at fault for not obeying the elders of the Church and following tradition as scripture commands.
(Hebrews 13:17, Matthew 16)
Once again does that mean we can steal, murder, etc, because there is no law?
2 Thess 2:15
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us
2 Thess 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.
You seem to dislike Tradition, but the Apostles themselves reference it as a source of authority. Are you following the traditions passed on by the Apostles by letter AND WORD OF MOUTH?
I follow the word of God.
Right… it doesnt say “TEN Commandments” it says keep the commandments of God. Unfortunately, you have wrongly interpreted that to mean only 10 commandments. For example… Paul, when writing about the wives being silent in Church calls it the “Lords Commandment” (Is this one that Sabbatarians keep in order to be the Remnant?)
