Commentary: 10 Reasons You Should Not Fear Muslims

[TARRAT]

May Gods Will be done!

It will indeed stop these events if we Pray to put away our differences and worship our One God.

Regards Tony

You answer practical questions with philosophy. Fortunately Jesus was both practicle and philosophic. He often fed people with virtually nothing yet His followers carried food with them. He could have prayed for poor and hungry people but He fed them instead.

One thing that people often quote from Jesus is “Turn the other cheek” but when He was slapped at His interrogation He challenged His attacker, He did not turn the other cheek. He could have just prayed for him.

When Jesus and the apostles were confronted in the garden Peter struck the high priest’s servant and cut off his ear. Yes Jesus told Peter to put his sword away but He could have forseen that and stopped it before it happened. Jesus allowed Peter and I assume the rest of the apostles to carry weapons. The practicality of it all was that they were often in danger and may be put in the position where they would have to defend themselves. I assume they were afraid they would be physically harmed.

Yes we should pray for our enemies but always be afraid of what they may try to do to us.

 

[TonyBS]

You answer practical questions with philosophy. Fortunately Jesus was both practicle and philosophic. He often fed people with virtually nothing yet His followers carried food with them. He could have prayed for poor and hungry people but He fed them instead.

One thing that people often quote from Jesus is “Turn the other cheek” but when He was slapped at His interrogation He challenged His attacker, He did not turn the other cheek. He could have just prayed for him.

When Jesus and the apostles were confronted in the garden Peter struck the high priest’s servant and cut off his ear. Yes Jesus told Peter to put his sword away but He could have forseen that and stopped it before it happened. Jesus allowed Peter and I assume the rest of the apostles to carry weapons. The practicality of it all was that they were often in danger and may be put in the position where they would have to defend themselves. I assume they were afraid they would be physically harmed.

Yes we should pray for our enemies but always be afraid of what they may try to do to us.

Consider when I offer this, that it is the leaders of Iran that still persecute the Baha’is under the guise they call themselves Muslims: reference.bahai.org/en/t/o/BNE/bne-139.html

Yes Justice is a key, justice says we have penalties for transgressions that must be enforced, otherwise anarchy is the result. I live where there are laws but people only follow if it is convenient to do so, otherwise they are all broken and corruption is the norm.

Again it is the action that is being penalized as God is the Judge of our Souls.

Fear of man is the lack of Trust, do we not trust God to give and take our life as he sees best fit for each of us. If injustice or Tragedy takes our life, then do we not Trust that God will give us what is best for us. Do we not trust that the people that carried out these acts will also be dealt with by God with the most great Justice? Fear of God is our way forward.

This is the secret to forgiveness. This means that even those who crucified Christ could be forgiven if they repented the error.

In the Baha’i writings one can protect themselves if no authority can be found to appeal to, but with this consideration Baha’u’llah has commanded “He abrogated the rule of the sword and annulled the ordinance of “Holy War.” “If ye be slain,” said He, “it is better for you than to slay”.

This has raised up a people that this verse attests to

"Their hosts are the hosts of goodly deeds, and their arms the arms of upright conduct, and their commander the fear of God. Blessed that one that judgeth with fairness. By the righteousness of God! Such hath been the patience, the calm, the resignation of contentment of this people that they have become the exponents of justice, and so great hath been their forbearance, that they have suffered themselves to be killed rather than kill, and this notwithstanding that these whom the world hath wronged have endured tribulations the like of which the history of the world hath never recorded, nor the eyes of any nation witnessed.

The result of this submission to Gods Will is

“The soundness of Bahá’u’lláh’s nonresistance policy has already been proved by results. For every believer martyred in Persia, the Bahá’í faith has received a hundred new believers into its fold, and the glad and dauntless way in which these martyrs cast the crowns of their lives at the feet of their Lord has furnished to the world the clearest proof that they had found a new life for which death has no terrors, a life of ineffable fullness and joy, compared with which the pleasures of earth are but as dust in the balance, and the most fiendish physical tortures but trifles light as air”.

Education is the key to dispelling the Animal side of our Nature. If when still a tender shoot we train and shape the infant into the Love of God with the required virtues, then when we reach maturity our Free Will is more inclined to the Spirit than it is to the animal.

The problem is we are still currently training animals. These are the times the Bible said we would have to face.

Regards Tony

 

[Even_So]

You would call them a Muslim.

If one transgresses the Laws and guidance set by Muhammad, you could pray for them instead of fear.

One can condem an action done by any supposed follower of any Faith, but in each case it is not an action condoned by their Faith, thus it was not a Jew or a Christian or a Muslim that did it, but a misguided individual.

Prayer is needed. Condem the action, pray for the Soul and offer but LOVE in return.

This is beating swords into plowshares.

Regards Tony

Very warm words, Tony. If only it were that easy. I would definitely sit down for a cup of coffee with you.

 

[Even_So]

May Gods Will be done!

It will indeed stop these events if we Pray to put away our differences and worship our One God.

Regards Tony

This is where the rubber meets the road. JESUS is LORD! I don’t see a compromise there. Anyone?

 

[Even_So]

Again a good selection of a quote Jeffrey as this verse is the Foundation of Faith. It is fact the strongest most perfect foundation.

Just as an interesting sideline to this above quote, the writings also expands on this in a few places like these thoughts;

"He doeth what He willeth and ordaineth whatsoever He pleaseth". Just prior to this it was written ‘For instance, were He to take a handful of earth and declare it to be the One Whom ye have been following in the past, it would undoubtedly be just and true, even as His real Person, and to none is given the right to question His authority’.

Elsewhere it is written that God gives us leave to ask us of a single proof and when we ask of that proof we are to be satisfied with the one and no more and accept the response given.

Interesting!

Thank you for the post, Regards Tony

As much as I respect Jeffrey’s views, he has changed his religion here at least 3 times in the last several months. Jeffrey would possibly be known as a peacenik hippy from back in the day with all this anti nuke stuff. And I say that lovingly tongue-in-cheek.

 

[Even_So]

If we should fear nothing but GOD, we would be letting our guards down. Facts are Tony, Muslims are comitting genocide. Muslims are actually taking over US towns. Should we just look the other way? I pray your faith can make inroads.
renewamerica.com/columns/zieve/070111

 

[TARRAT]

Consider when I offer this, that it is the leaders of Iran that still persecute the Baha’is under the guise they call themselves Muslims: reference.bahai.org/en/t/o/BNE/bne-139.html

Yes Justice is a key, justice says we have penalties for transgressions that must be enforced, otherwise anarchy is the result. I live where there are laws but people only follow if it is convenient to do so, otherwise they are all broken and corruption is the norm.

Again it is the action that is being penalized as God is the Judge of our Souls.

Fear of man is the lack of Trust, do we not trust God to give and take our life as he sees best fit for each of us. If injustice or Tragedy takes our life, then do we not Trust that God will give us what is best for us. Do we not trust that the people that carried out these acts will also be dealt with by God with the most great Justice? Fear of God is our way forward.

This is the secret to forgiveness. This means that even those who crucified Christ could be forgiven if they repented the error.

In the Baha’i writings one can protect themselves if no authority can be found to appeal to, but with this consideration Baha’u’llah has commanded “He abrogated the rule of the sword and annulled the ordinance of “Holy War.” “If ye be slain,” said He, “it is better for you than to slay”.

This has raised up a people that this verse attests to

"Their hosts are the hosts of goodly deeds, and their arms the arms of upright conduct, and their commander the fear of God. Blessed that one that judgeth with fairness. By the righteousness of God! Such hath been the patience, the calm, the resignation of contentment of this people that they have become the exponents of justice, and so great hath been their forbearance, that they have suffered themselves to be killed rather than kill, and this notwithstanding that these whom the world hath wronged have endured tribulations the like of which the history of the world hath never recorded, nor the eyes of any nation witnessed.

The result of this submission to Gods Will is

“The soundness of Bahá’u’lláh’s nonresistance policy has already been proved by results. For every believer martyred in Persia, the Bahá’í faith has received a hundred new believers into its fold, and the glad and dauntless way in which these martyrs cast the crowns of their lives at the feet of their Lord has furnished to the world the clearest proof that they had found a new life for which death has no terrors, a life of ineffable fullness and joy, compared with which the pleasures of earth are but as dust in the balance, and the most fiendish physical tortures but trifles light as air”.

Education is the key to dispelling the Animal side of our Nature. If when still a tender shoot we train and shape the infant into the Love of God with the required virtues, then when we reach maturity our Free Will is more inclined to the Spirit than it is to the animal.

The problem is we are still currently training animals. These are the times the Bible said we would have to face.

Regards Tony

You answer practical questions with philosophy. Fortunately Jesus was both practicle and philosophic. He often fed people with virtually nothing yet His followers carried food with them. He could have prayed for poor and hungry people but He fed them instead.

One thing that people often quote from Jesus is “Turn the other cheek” but when He was slapped at His interrogation He challenged His attacker, He did not turn the other cheek. He could have just prayed for him.

When Jesus and the apostles were confronted in the garden Peter struck the high priest’s servant and cut off his ear. Yes Jesus told Peter to put his sword away but He could have forseen that and stopped it before it happened. Jesus allowed Peter and I assume the rest of the apostles to carry weapons. The practicality of it all was that they were often in danger and may be put in the position where they would have to defend themselves. I assume they were afraid they would be physically harmed.

Yes we should pray for our enemies but always be afraid of what they may try to do to us.

 

[TonyBS]

Very warm words, Tony. If only it were that easy. I would definitely sit down for a cup of coffee with you.

Even so Coffee sounds great…one must also consider everything is possible So your place or mine! Your choice of venue or mine?

Life was designed to be full of Challenges for us Why else put an animal in a material world, give it a Rational Soul and the Gift of Free Will. Tell It that the real life is that of the spirit and hide that real Life among illusions of choice that challenge out animal basic instincts!!!

Muslims, Christains, Baha’is all have this challenge, we have none to fear but God and to me that fear is that he will leave us to ourselves and the games we play to prove we Love Him. How complicated we make it!

How else can you give back Love Unconstrained. Easy, NO indeed it is not, but try we always must!

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

This is where the rubber meets the road. JESUS is LORD! I don’t see a compromise there. Anyone?

There is no compromise even So

I stand put my hand on heart and can say Jesus is Lord.

How you thus see Christs message and how it ties into all creation and embraces all of this creation is entirely up to you

I have found it is as the Bible says it is and that it does indeed embrace all and all can be found within Christs Word.

Now the key to taking that further is that there is One God and that the One God has never left mankind alone. Gods gift to our Soul in this Day is this oneness.

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

If we should fear nothing but GOD, we would be letting our guards down. Facts are Tony, Muslims are comitting genocide. Muslims are actually taking over US towns. Should we just look the other way? I pray your faith can make inroads.
renewamerica.com/columns/zieve/070111

A few that call themselves Muslims

The bible offers what they really are

James 1:26 “If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless”.

As you know many more. A name on the Tongue is just that, WORTHLESS

and

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Regards Tony

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

As much as I respect Jeffrey’s views, he has changed his religion here at least 3 times in the last several months. Jeffrey would possibly be known as a peacenik hippy from back in the day with all this anti nuke stuff. And I say that lovingly tongue-in-cheek.

Did some one mention my name? I suppose that I must say something now, and that would be to just remind us that, since Vatican II, Islam is not a considered heresy anymore by Catholics, who are bound by edicts of Vatican II:

“The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men… . .”

“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims;. . .”

Pope John Paul II, Morocco, 8/15/85, to Muslim youth:

“. . .We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings His creatures to perfection.”

The religion of Islam is something that we should learn to understand and respect rather than trying to foment fear of and prejudice against.
True, there are bad people who call themselves Muslims.
There are also bad people who call themselves Christians or Jews or Hindus, etc.

BTW, before I became a “hippy peacenik,” I spent two years in Vietnam with the Third Marine Division fighting an illegal war that killed over three million people.

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

One thing that people often quote from Jesus is “Turn the other cheek” but when He was slapped at His interrogation He challenged His attacker, He did not turn the other cheek. He could have just prayed for him.

Yes we should pray for our enemies but always be afraid of what they may try to do to us.

I have seen Jewish Rabbis criticize Rabbi Yeshu in that way. “He dared to object to being struck!” Nonsensense. Or Lord had the power of the the Army of YHWH at His command. He could have called down fire on His abusers or done any number of other terrible things to them. Instead, He chose to continue to suffer the terrible torture that was unjustly being meted out to Him. It is a lesson to all of us.

As for always being afraid:

“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; fear Him rather who can destroy both body and soul in hell.”

 

[Kaninchen]

I have seen Jewish Rabbis criticize rabbi Yeshu in that way. “He dared to object to being struck!” Nonsensense. Or Lord had the power of the the Army of YHWH at His command. He could have called down fire on His abusers or done any number of other terrible things to them. Instead, He chose to continue to suffer (and terribly at that) the torture that was unjustly being meted out to Him. It is a lesson to all of us.

Which particular rabbis were those?

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

Which particular rabbis were those?

Sorry, but I’m unable to cite particulars. I do remember reading such in a Rabbinical criticism of Rabbi Yeshu. I wouldn’t say either that all Rabbis have that attitude or that Judaism is not a valid religion.

 

[Kaninchen]

Sorry, but I’m unable to cite particulars. I do remember reading such in a Rabbinical criticism of Rabbi Yeshu. I wouldn’t say either that all Rabbis have that attitude or that Judaism is not a valid religion.

The first problem here is that no rabbi would consider Jesus as a “Rabbi Yeshu.”

 

[TARRAT]

I have seen Jewish Rabbis criticize Rabbi Yeshu in that way. “He dared to object to being struck!” Nonsensense. Or Lord had the power of the the Army of YHWH at His command. He could have called down fire on His abusers or done any number of other terrible things to them. Instead, He chose to continue to suffer the terrible torture that was unjustly being meted out to Him. It is a lesson to all of us.

As for always being afraid:

“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; fear Him rather who can destroy both body and soul in hell.”

You are right. He did not turn the other cheek. So you agree with me.

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

The first problem here is that no rabbi would consider Jesus as a “Rabbi Yeshu.”

You are correct, sir. The title of “Rabbi” is my own addition. It does appear that the Jewish Rabbis of ancient times referred to Rabbi Yeshu as simply “Yeshu ben Pantira.”

 

[Kaninchen]

You are correct, sir. The title of “Rabbi” is my own addition. It does appear that the Jewish Rabbis of ancient times referred to Rabbi Yeshu as simply “Yeshu ben Pantira.”

I’m not a sir.

You shouldn’t assume that ancient Rabbis were that interested.

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

You are right. He did not turn the other cheek. So you agree with me.

If continuing to suffer terrible abuse while at the same time having the power to kill your abusers but not using that power is not “turning the other cheek,” what would you call it?

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

I’m not a sir.

You shouldn’t assume that ancient Rabbis were that interested.

My apologies, ma’am.

I’m not making this up. There are references to ancient Rabbis talking about “Yeshu ben Pantira.”