Commentary: Islam was a religion of love, and the Taj Mahal proves it

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josh987654321 said:
But then he makes it clear that they have a very poor understanding of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, even though they profess to follow this same God as us.

I mean, common though, when one can quote some of this stuff out of the Quran which can be wholly opposite to the teachings of Christ, we got to call ******** when we see it, so saying “Muslims worship the same God” without qualifying with* “A very misguided/faulty understanding”* is very misleading.

Trust me, I am the last person you could say that too. I would love to be wrong here, there was nothing prejudiced in what I have said.

Then please prove it to me by quoting passages out of the Qu’ran that condemns what some of these people do in it’s name and shows that the teachings and doctrines of the Qu’ran are loving and peaceful.

I mean, I quoted some clear stuff from the Qu’ran that didn’t contain any ambiguity, that stuff is either in there or it’s not. 🤷

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
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Have you read the Quran at all dear Josh?

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jeffrey_erwin said:
I don’t remember telling Catholics anything. All that I did was to quote our blessed St. John Paul II and Tim Staples. If you don’t agree with them, please take that up with Mr. Staples.
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Where did I say I disagree with them? Actually That’s nothing do with my question what’s so ever. As I said be careful.

So Again I ask you if you agree with JPII. Yes ? And if so then you agree what he said about Jesus. Yes?

Please also keep in mind I would ask any non-Catholic (not necessarily Christians) the same questions if they are interested in anything JPII has said in this subject.

MJ
 
Servant19 said:
Have you read the Quran at all dear Josh?.
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Umm, yes and no, but it would be more accurate to say no I think. Hence why I am asking for help with this, the best place to stop/combat what ISIS is doing is with the Quran, people should be quoting versus that condemn some of the horrible stuff they do.

If one has read the Qu’ran, and say’s that it’s a religion of love and peace, then I am all ears, however, in my experience, given some of the many concerning things I have heard about it’s teachings including the passages I have already quoted in this thread, have not been explained.

I would start with -
  1. Is apostasy in Islam punishable by death?
  2. Is the Jizya Tax a valid Islamic Teaching? How does one justify that?
  3. What does it say about Child Marriages? such as Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha?
Aisha’s age at the time she was married to Muhammad has been of interest since the earliest days of Islam, and references to her age by early historians are frequent.[11] According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad with the marriage not being consummated until she had reached puberty at the age of nine or ten years old
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Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64

Married at 6 years old and consummated at 9**!** :eek:
  1. Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor follow the Religion of Truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
  • Sura 9:29
  1. Is Taqiyya a valid Islamic Teaching? How does one justify that?
And like I said, this is just 1/10th of the stuff I have heard about that needs explaining.

So if you have read the Qu’ran yourself, could you please explain? Or else people ought to be very wary of the teachings of Islam and the Qu’ran.

So all those who are claiming that Islam and the Qu’ran teaches peaceful and loving doctrines, the burden of proof is on them now, because I am starting to see that this is not entirely true.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I would like to apologies for some of my posts in this thread.

I do not know enough about Islam to be saying some of the stuff that I have said here. I would still like some of those questions I have mentioned to be answered, but I believe it’s unfair to propose those questions here and in the manner I have proposed them.

Thank you

Josh
 
The topic of the thread is Islam the religion of love and then it says that Taj Mahal proves it.

Posters can either agree or disagree with that statement and why. We can go further, and say it it is really a religion of love by justifying it.

Some of the posters said here say that it is not. Taj Mahal is a beautiful piece of architectural masterpiece but it is more of a symbol of a personal love of a sultan for a woman but was tainted by his own selfishness and political motive. Trying to justify its beauty to Islam as religion of love fails miserably. It this is much to say Islam as religion of love, then there is really nothing to show for.

On the other hand, no Muslim has come to defend this statement probably because it is a silly statement which any Muslims, if there are, feel just not worth defending.

The rest of the argument here are besides the point and seem to be more interested in discussing about Islam which is outside the thread topic unless it is to say that yes, Islam is a religion of love.

Christians would probably be quite interested to hear that side of the argument because the topic of love is an essential part of Christianity and they would want to hear what Islam says about love.
 
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MartinJordan said:
Where did I say I disagree with them? Actually That’s nothing do with my question what’s so ever. As I said be careful.

So Again I ask you if you agree with JPII. Yes ? And if so then you agree what he said about Jesus. Yes?
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I don’t think that the repeated admonitions to “be careful” are very friendly, and I don’t think that such is appropriate to a respectful dialoge between people of faith.

I’m an Episcopal who has a great respect for the Holy Fathers of the Roman Church. Nonetheless, I reserve the right to disagree if any of our blessed Popes should say that “the earth is flat,” or that “the use of condoms promotes the spread of aids.”
 
jeffrey_erwin said:
I don’t think that the repeated admonitions to “be careful” are very friendly, and I don’t think that such is appropriate to a respectful dialoge between people of faith.

I’m an Episcopal who has a great respect for the Holy Fathers of the Roman Church. Nonetheless, I reserve the right to disagree if any of our blessed Popes should say that “the earth is flat,” or that “the use of condoms promotes the spread of aids.”
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There is nothing sinister at all when I say be careful. What I did not appreciate is that you assumed I disagreed with JPII and Tim Staples.

So you have respect for JPII. Thanks for this part answer. However he went into Catholic doctrine to explain to Muslims that Catholicism teaches that Muslims do believe in the same God and then consistently as an Authority went into further doctrine about Jesus.

What does earth is flat and condoms have to do with my 2nd question, I have no idea why’ you went that route.

So can you answer the 2nd question please?

MJ
 
I was under the impression that the Taj Mahal was built in honor of Shah Jahan’s favorite wife- which would cast the greatness of his love in a decidedly different sort of light.
 
MartinJordan said:
What does earth is flat and condoms have to do with my 2nd question, I have no idea why’ you went that route.
So can you answer the 2nd question please?
MJ
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And I have no idea why you are going the route that you are. If you have something to say that is relevant to the thread topic, then you should just say it instead of demanding that other posters submit to your inquisition.
 
badnewsbarrett said:
I was under the impression that the Taj Mahal was built in honor of Shah Jahan’s favorite wife- which would cast the greatness of his love in a decidedly different sort of light.
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Agree with you. On the surface it was one of the greatest love stories ever told complete with a monument to show for it. Wonder whether it would pass through critical analysis unscathed. There seems to be more to it from historical aspect.
 
jeffrey_erwin said:
And I have no idea why you are going the route that you are. If you have something to say that is relevant to the thread topic, then you should just say it instead of demanding that other posters submit to your inquisition.
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So You don’t want to take responsibility for bringing up Pope John Paul II teaching Muslim youth about God and Jesus then.🤷

Your choice of words are troubling.

MJ
 
TonyBS said:
Thought maybe Islam for Dummies may help 😉 Liked that it was balancing the topic fairly.

dummies.com/how-to/content/mending-misconceptions-about-the-koran.html

This is one of the Topics

God is wrathful and unloving in the Koran

Some critics say that the Koran mentions the concept of love only twice. In fact, the Book mentions the concept of love about a hundred times, if such statistics are really the essence of the message.

After declaring God’s universality, the Koran describes God as “most Merciful, most Compassionate” (1:3). In fact, every single Surah except one begins with this declaration about the divine nature.

God is also known in the Scripture as “Full of Loving-Kindness” (11:90; 85:14). It is with the attribute of divine Love that the Koran most often seeks to directly create a relationship with humanity by encouraging those actions that bring God’s love and discouraging those actions that extinguish God’s love.

Without doubt, the Koran also mentions God’s wrath for those who reject faith after clear signs have come to them, and upon those who are bent on spreading evil and corruption on earth. But, as Prophet Muhammad said while quoting God himself, "My Mercy prevails over My wrath

Regards Tony
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The Qur’an is clear that Allah has no love for transgressors (2:190), ungrateful sinners (2:276), the unjust (3:57), or the proud (4:36). Even more significantly, the Qur’an states that Allah does not love non-Muslims:

Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.

Qur’an 30:43-45—Then turn thy face straight to the right religion before there come from Allah the day which cannot be averted; on that day they shall become separated. Whoever disbelieves, he shall be responsible for his disbelief, and whoever does good, they prepare (good) for their own souls, that He may reward those who believe and do good out of His grace; surely He does not love the unbelievers.

Said Allah does not love those who reject Islam.
(Quran 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)
 
JimmyDFG said:
The Qur’an is clear that Allah has no love for transgressors (2:190), ungrateful sinners (2:276), the unjust (3:57), or the proud (4:36). Even more significantly, the Qur’an states that Allah does not love non-Muslims:

Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.

Qur’an 30:43-45—Then turn thy face straight to the right religion before there come from Allah the day which cannot be averted; on that day they shall become separated. Whoever disbelieves, he shall be responsible for his disbelief, and whoever does good, they prepare (good) for their own souls, that He may reward those who believe and do good out of His grace; surely He does not love the unbelievers.

Said Allah does not love those who reject Islam.
(Quran 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)
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Thanks for the quotes from the Qur’an. My observation is that many branches of Christianity are just as insistent on the worship of Jesus “to be saved.” Though I am not a Muslim, I don’t “reject Islam.” I see it as a legitimate religion. Also to be noted is that the name of “Allah” for our Creator transcends the boundaries of Christianity and Islam.

I don’t know that Muslims in general accept these arguments, but I don’t see their acceptance or rejection as my problem. I accept Muslims and Islam. That is what matters to me and, perhaps, to our Lord as well.
 
Servant19 said:
It’s fascinating to see how much resistance there is to separate ourselves from those we have clear prejudice against, even going so far as to find areas of Church teaching which might (hopefully) back us up in our prejudice, when alas, it finally comes down, to we are there, and the Church is here.

Catholics are turning away from Church teaching to support their own personal and sometimes hateful agendas…

🤷

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Servant19 I respectfully ask that you refrain from generalizing “Catholics” here. If you have disagreement with a Catholic poster please address the individual Catholic poster to clarify your misunderstanding. Please and thank you.🙂

The Church teaches on the subject of only One Creator God, is the same One Creator , One God Muslims pray and worship STOP, Do not add or subtract from this.
The Church officially has not taken an agreeable position on the other subjects of Islamic teachings and religious disciplines.

When it comes to divine revelation, divine teachings, disciplines and practice. There is no comparison between Catholicism and Islam except we worship only One God, One Creator.

This One God, One Creator is the beginning to which Catholics can dialogue with followers of Islam.

The CCC is teaching a biblical practice that parallels St. Paul. To grasp at what we Catholics are trying to convey to Muslims,** please read the biblical teaching which the CCC reflects, so as to grasp at the understanding that Islam worships the same One God, One Creator Catholics love and serve.** Just as Paul agreed that the same unknown God the Athenians worship is the same God Paul worshipped.

Acts 17
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Then Paul stood up at the Areopagus and said:*

“You Athenians, I see that in every respect you are very religious.
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For as I walked around looking carefully at your shrines, *I even discovered an altar inscribed, ‘To an Unknown God.’ What therefore you unknowingly worship, I proclaim to you. 24
The God who made the world and all that is in it, the Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in sanctuaries made by human hands,
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nor is he served by human hands because he needs anything. Rather it is he who gives to everyone life and breath and everything.
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He made from one the whole human race to dwell on the entire surface of the earth, and he fixed the ordered seasons and the boundaries of their regions,
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so that people might seek God, even perhaps grope for him and find him, though indeed he is not far from any one of us.i
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For ‘In him we live and move and have our being,’ as even some of your poets have said, ‘For we too are his offspring.’
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Since therefore we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the divinity is like an image fashioned from gold, silver, or stone by human art and imagination.j
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God has overlooked the times of ignorance, but now he demands that all people everywhere repent
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because he has established a day on which he will ‘judge the world with justice’ through a man he has appointed, and he has provided confirmation for all by raising him from the dead.”
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When they heard about resurrection of the dead, some began to scoff, but others said, “We should like to hear you on this some other time.”
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And so Paul left them.
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But some did join him, and became believers. Among them were Dionysius, a member of the Court of the Areopagus, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

Peace be with you
 
Islam was a religion of love, and the Taj Mahal proves it,
the debate moves on and now all we try to do is lose this!

Love is the animating force of life, God given in any form
it takes, be it in a building, or in our steps to be reborn.

To decide between if it is an alter to this life, or an alter
to where no life can be found is not our choice,
but that of our God that His Love may Abound.

Regards Tony
 
If islam had anything to do with the Taj Mahal it would be a mosque and not a tomb for a mans favorite wife
 
JimmyDFG said:
If islam had anything to do with the Taj Mahal it would be a mosque and not a tomb for a mans favorite wife
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Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

MJ
 
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