Commentary: Islam was a religion of love, and the Taj Mahal proves it

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Techno2000 said:
Right, that’s how I knew you were a Baha’i because Muhammad cant be wrong if Muhammad was wrong that would mean Bahaism is wrong, and that’s why you all defend Muhammad so much.
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Dear Joey,

You are becoming far too clever. In the future I may not consult any books but just ask you Instead. 👏👏👏👏👏
 
worldcitizen said:
Hi Martin,

As we believe Muhammad was a Manifestation of God His Knowledge came from God not Himself so all that He knew was pure truth and infallible. He was sent by God with a specific mission.

He knew the exact truth about Christ and Christianity as revealed to Him by God and recorded in the Quran. He was fully aware of all their teachings and practices and knew what was true and what was misunderstood and that is revealed in the Quran.

So He had up to date information from God. Now, God does not compete with Himself. The Prophets or Messengers or Manifestations He sends are to take us a level higher spiritually and advance our civilisations.

It was at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD that the Divinity of Christ and many conceptions formed from that time.

Muhammad clarified the verse you quote John 3:16 and said that God had no physical son and it was a man made doctrine like the trinity. Now Muhammad doesn’t say that the title is wrong ‘spiritually’ only physically so even we Baha’is believe that Christ’s spiritual station was the Son of God but do not accept the ‘interpretation’ that God beget a physical son as God is Spirit. It was Christ’s Spriit that was the Son of God not His Body. You with me??

That’s the only real difference and it’s as large or as minor as one wishes it to be. I love Christ to death no matter what.

John 4:24

God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

The Quran fully supports John 4:24 but says some other verses are misinterpretations. The Bible has NOT been corrupted only the ‘meanings’ have. By corruption mentioned in the Quran is meant meanings and interpretations not the actual physical effacement of the words.

Here are some passages from the Quran. Remember though it’s the physical claim that is disputed not the spiritual station of Christ.

“Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)”

Such was Jesus, the son of Mary. That is the whole truth, which they still doubt. God forbid that He Himself should beget a son! When He decrees a thing He need only say: ‘Be,’ and it is. Qur’an 19:35
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Where in Islam claiming Mohammed is a manifestation of God? Link please from Islamic authority . Thks.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Where in Islam claiming Mohammed is a manifestation of God? Link please from Islamic authority . Thks.

MJ
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You are correct.

Muhammad in the Quran is a Prophet and a Messenger and a Warner and I’m sure there are many other titles.

Manifestation of God is a Baha’i term that simply means a reflection of God or to manifest God but a Manifestation of God is not God Himself Muhammad manifested God’s message the Quran.
 
worldcitizen said:
Martin,

As I mentioned, Muhammad’s mission was entirely different to that of Christ’s. He came to abolish pagan worship, establish freedom of religion and establish nationhood so His teachings revolved around Ummah 'nation building) and things like laws and justice and constitutions to prepare mankind to move up from tribalism to nationalism.

So you will find that a lot of His Teachings in the Quran don’t revolve around love as that was not His purpose. Christ has already taught us all about how to love so there was no need for duplicity. So concepts like freedom of worship and self defense were taught by Muhammad. Can you begin to see a complimentary picture arise between the Manifestations how they each teach something different so we can learn more? They are complimentary.

We need love right! But don’t we need self defense and justice too? And laws and a constitution?

So expect that the Quran doesn’t say much about love as the world already has the Bible for things like love.
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Jesus already spoke and understood Pagans. Best to follow Jesus who knows everything. Did Mohanmed know Jesus at all? He should have listened to Jesus.

And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that.

Even St. Peter said : such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.

MJ
 
worldcitizen said:
You are correct.

Muhammad in the Quran is a Prophet and a Messenger and a Warner and I’m sure there are many other titles.

Manifestation of God is a Baha’i term that simply means a reflection of God or to manifest God but a Manifestation of God is not God Himself Muhammad manifested God’s message the Quran.
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If it’s the same God why are there two completely different religions Christianity, and Islam, example… we don’t face Mecca and pray to some stone building 5 times day.
 
Techno2000 said:
If it’s the same God why are there two completely different religions Christianity, and Islam, example… we don’t face Mecca and pray to some stone building 5 times day.
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Dear Joey,

Try and think of it like building a house ok?

Jesus Moses and Abraham built the foundation. (Best quality marble)

Then Muhammad came along and built the pillars and now (best marble again)

Baha’u’llah comes and puts a dome (marble) on the top and we have

The Universal House of Justice!!
 
MartinJordan said:
Jesus already spoke and understood Pagans. Best to follow Jesus who knows everything. Did Mohanmed know Jesus at all? He should have listened to Jesus.

And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that.

Even St. Peter said : such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.

MJ
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Yes you are right.

However we needed to learn how to advance from tribes to nation states and that was one of the main teachings of Muhammad the Ummah or nation.
 
worldcitizen said:
Dear Joey,

Try and think of it like building a house ok?

Jesus Moses and Abraham built the foundation. (Best quality marble)

Then Muhammad came along and built the pillars and now (best marble again)

Baha’u’llah comes and puts a dome (marble) on the top and we have

The Universal House of Justice!!
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But the square peg won’t fit in the round hole.🤷
 
I haven’t found yet that the Taj Mahal proves islam is a religion of love. What I do find is about its construction and its purpose

“Commissioned in 1632 by the Mughal emperor Shah Jahan to house the remains of his cherished wife, the Taj Mahal stands on the southern bank of the Yamuna River in Agra, India. The famed mausoleum complex, built over more than 20 years, is one of the most outstanding examples of Mughal architecture, which combined Indian, Persian and Islamic influences. At its center is the Taj Mahal itself, built of shimmering white marble that seems to change color depending on the sunlight or moonlight hitting its surface. Designated a UNESCO World Heritage site in 1983, it remains one of the world’s most celebrated structures and a stunning symbol of India’s rich history.”
 
JimmyDFG said:
I haven’t found yet that proves the Taj Mahal is a religion of love. What I do find is about its construction and its purpose

“Commissioned in 1632 by the Mughal emperor Shah Jahan to house the remains of his cherished wife, the Taj Mahal stands on the southern bank of the Yamuna River in Agra, India. The famed mausoleum complex, built over more than 20 years, is one of the most outstanding examples of Mughal architecture, which combined Indian, Persian and Islamic influences. At its center is the Taj Mahal itself, built of shimmering white marble that seems to change color depending on the sunlight or moonlight hitting its surface. Designated a UNESCO World Heritage site in 1983, it remains one of the world’s most celebrated structures and a stunning symbol of India’s rich history.”
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Isn’t the topic Islam was a religion of love and the Taj Mahal proves it?

I think he got to be so loving from Islam because He was a Muslim first so that kind of love must have been part of his childhood upbringing and I can only see him getting that from his religion. Again the architecture is Islamic inspired so this has an awful lot to do with Islam thinking about it that way.
 
worldcitizen said:
I think he got to be so loving from Islam because He was a Muslim first so that kind of love must have been part of his childhood upbringing and I can only see him getting that from his religion. Again the architecture is Islamic inspired so this has an awful lot to do with Islam thinking about it that way.
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So your analogy is people of different faiths or no faith are horrible lovers…or horrible husbands and wives?
 
worldcitizen said:
Isn’t the topic Islam was a religion of love and the Taj Mahal proves it?

I think he got to be so loving from Islam because He was a Muslim first so that kind of love must have been part of his childhood upbringing and I can only see him getting that from his religion. Again the architecture is Islamic inspired so this has an awful lot to do with Islam thinking about it that way.
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Symbol of love
The popular view of the Taj Mahal as one of the world’s monuments to a great “love story” is borne out by the contemporary accounts and most scholars accept this has a strong basis in fact.The building was also used to assert Jahani propaganda concerning the ‘perfection’ of the Mughal leadership. The extent to which the Taj uses propaganda is the subject of some debate amongst contemporary scholars. This period of Mughal architecture best exemplifies the maturity of a style that had synthesised Islamic architecture with its indigenous counterparts. By the time the Mughals built the Taj, though proud of their Persian and Timurid roots, they had come to see themselves as Indian. Copplestone writes “Although it is certainly a native Indian production, its architectural success rests on its fundamentally Persian sense of intelligible and undisturbed proportions, applied to clean uncomplicated surfaces.”

"The ‘Taj Mahal’ represents the finest and most sophisticated example of Mughal architecture. Its origins lie in the moving circumstances of its commission and the culture and history of an Islamic Mughal empire’s rule of large parts of India. The distraught Mughal Emperor commissioned the mausoleum upon the death of his favorite wife Mumtaz Mahal.

Today it is one of the most famous and recognisable buildings in the world and while the tanish colored enormous building in sight, domed marble mausoleum is the most familiar part of the monument, the Taj Mahal is an extensive complex of buildings and gardens that extends over 22.44 hectares (55.5 acres)and includes subsidiary tombs, waterworks infrastructure, the small town of ‘Taj Ganji’ to the south and a ‘moonlight garden’ to the north of the river. Construction began in 1632 AD, (1041 AH), on the south bank of the River Yamuna in Agra, and was substantially complete by 1648 AD (1058 AH). The design was conceived as both an earthly replica of the house of Mumtaz in paradise and an instrument of propaganda for the emperor."

I can’t find anywhere if proves islam being a religion of love. I see it as a TOMB for a mans favorite wife.
 
JimmyDFG said:
So your analogy is people of different faiths or no faith are horrible lovers…or horrible husbands and wives?
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Not at all. I’m just saying that the environment we are brought up in has a lot to do with shaping and moulding our character.

Our culture and parents and their example have a lot to do with how we grow spiritually.

My wife and I. When we draw closer to God we become more united and our relationship and loving bond grows stronger because we see God in each other. We have a spiritual bond that is far stronger than a physical bond which is only temporary and fleeting.
 
worldcitizen said:
Not at all. I’m just saying that the environment we are brought up in has a lot to do with shaping and moulding our character.

Our culture and parents and their example have a lot to do with how we grow spiritually.

My wife and I. When we draw closer to God we become more united and our relationship and loving bond grows stronger because we see God in each other. We have a spiritual bond that is far stronger than a physical bond which is only temporary and fleeting.
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Does this work for Buddhist?
 
Techno2000 said:
Does this work for Buddhist?
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Anyone who is sincere and leads a holy spiritual and virtuous life will be at peace with all & love all.

Buddhists pray Their prayers are more directed to being virtuous.

Here’s an example of a Buddhist Prayer

Learn the Metta Prayer. The following prayer, adapted from a lecture by The Buddha, is an all-emcompassing and powerful prayer to repeat to yourself:

In order that I may be skilled in discerning what is good, in order that I may understand the path to peace,

Let me be able, upright, and straightforward, of good speech, gentle, and free from pride;
Let me be contented, easily satisfied, having few duties, living simply, of controlled senses, prudent, without pride and without attachment to nation, race, or other groups.
Let me not do the slightest thing for which the wise might rebuke me. Instead let me think:
“May all beings be well and safe, may they be at ease.
Whatever living beings there may be, whether moving or standing still, without exception, whether large, great, middling, or small, whether tiny or substantial,
Whether seen or unseen, whether living near or far,
Born or unborn; may all beings be happy.
Let none deceive or despise another anywhere. Let none wish harm to another, in anger or in hate.”
Just as a mother would guard her child, her only child, with her own life, even so let me cultivate a boundless mind for all beings in the world.
Let me cultivate a boundless love for all beings in the world, above, below, and across, unhindered, without ill will or enmity.
Standing, walking, seated, or lying down, free from torpor, let me as far as possible fix my attention on this recollection. This, they say, is the divine life right here.[6]
 
worldcitizen said:
Not at all. I’m just saying that the environment we are brought up in has a lot to do with shaping and moulding our character.

Our culture and parents and their example have a lot to do with how we grow spiritually.

My wife and I. When we draw closer to God we become more united and our relationship and loving bond grows stronger because we see God in each other. We have a spiritual bond that is far stronger than a physical bond which is only temporary and fleeting.
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Yeah and then mr loving muslim goes and rips the eyes out of the builder so he can’t build anything else. There is so much LUV coming from this guy it hurts!
 
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