Commentary: What Is Morality in Mormonism?

[RebeccaJ]

Why Me bashed…

How is me saying I approve of what the Catholic Church is doing bashing?

Or [perhaps you are all geared up to bash the LDS Church and dislike evidence the Catholic Church does the exact same thing in other parts of the world…

Or perhaps you think it is ok when the Catholic Church does it elsewhere but dislike the LDS Church doing it in Utah…?

Again…I like that both Churches do it…the legislators should hear from ALL sides…not the just the anti-Religious…

at least until ALL lobbyists are outlawed (my preference)

They don’t hear all sides. Believe it or not, Utah has more religions than Mormonism. Only the LDS church is heard.

You add examples from Italy, that have nothing to do with Utah or Mormon morality. Then say you support it, because, then it’s not a dig. When, Italy had nothing to do with Utah. So the only reason to bring it up is to dig on Catholics, no?

But, changing the subject in order to deflect and/or support Mormon political shenanigans, is just the normal thing to do here.

I’ve lived here and worked here my entire life. I know how Mormons are. Their church can do no wrong. I know that the shine is a facade. I don’t defend it with examples from other cultures and political systems. It stands all on its own, no problem.
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[TexanKnight]

They don’t hear all sides. Believe it or not, Utah has more religions than Mormonism. Only the LDS church is heard.

You add examples from Italy, that have nothing to do with Utah or Mormon morality. Then say you support it, because, then it’s not a dig. When, Italy had nothing to do with Utah. So the only reason to bring it up is to dig on Catholics, no?

But, changing the subject in order to deflect and/or support Mormon political shenanigans, is just the normal thing to do here.

I’ve lived here and worked here my entire life. I know how Mormons are. Their church can do no wrong. I know that the shine is a facade. I don’t defend it with examples from other cultures and political systems. It stands all on its own, no problem.

Italy has more religions than Catholics, too…

If I am against it, it would be a dig. Since I support both Churches doing it, it is not a dig.

I just would like a tad of fairness. Is that too much to ask for?

 

[lax16]

Italy has more religions than Catholics, too…

If I am against it, it would be a dig. Since I support both Churches doing it, it is not a dig.

I just would like a tad of fairness. Is that too much to ask for?

Why do Mormons take this stance?

I know the Boy Scout leader abused kids in our ward but Catholic priests did it too.

I know I should be honest but there are crooks on Wall Street.

Rebecca is right. No matter what topic is brought up you turn it to Mormonism and how the Catholics do it too. Then you claim it’s not a dig.

It’s a dig when you do it, when the rude missionaries at my house did it, when our (now ex) Mormon friend used to do it…It’s like a back handed compliment.

 

[TexanKnight]

Why do Mormons take this stance?

I know the Boy Scout leader abused kids in our ward but Catholic priests did it too.

I know I should be honest but there are crooks on Wall Street.

Rebecca is right. No matter what topic is brought up you turn it to Mormonism and how the Catholics do it too. Then you claim it’s not a dig.

It’s a dig when you do it, when the rude missionaries at my house did it, when our (now ex) Mormon friend used to do it…It’s like a back handed compliment.

lol

how odd.

Mormons are bashed for doing something. Someone points out that Catholics also do it or have done it. Somehow, the fact that the original dig was against Mormons is overlooked and the response is a dig…lol

and it is even a dig if I say I approve of both Churches doing it…I think it is great…

wow…lol

Churches with glass houses should not throw stones then call foul when the stones are returned.

Again…we should rejoice in the common ground and stop throwing stones…then getting all offended when the stones are thrown back

Do we both Love God? Yes…Do we believe in the atonement? Yes. Do we strive to obey God? Yes. Do we try to love our fellow man/woman and see the good in everyone? Everywhere but here…lol

oh…and it also rude when Catholics do it

 

[lax16]

lol

how odd.

Mormons are bashed for doing something. Someone points out that Catholics also do it or have done it. Somehow, the fact that the original dig was against Mormons is overlooked and the response is a dig…lol

and it is even a dig if I say I approve of both Churches doing it…I think it is great…

wow…lol

Churches with glass houses should not throw stones then call foul when the stones are returned.

Again…we should rejoice in the common ground and stop throwing stones…then getting all offended when the stones are thrown back

Do we both Love God? Yes…Do we believe in the atonement? Yes. Do we strive to obey God? Yes. Do we try to love our fellow man/woman and see the good in everyone? Everywhere but here…lol

I’ll go over to a Mormon board and do just that. How long before they pull the plug on my account?

 

[TexanKnight]

I’ll go over to a Mormon board and do just that. How long before they pull the plug on my account?

No clue…if you are fair…

but…last time I looked at that LDS Board, no one said a negative thing or had a negative things about Catholics…

If they do…and you say Mormons to that bashed thing too and you agree with both Churches doing it…I doubt you will get banned.

Let me know what anti-Catholic thread you post on…like I said…I have not found one

 

[lax16]

No clue…if you are fair…

but…last time I looked at that LDS Board, no one said a negative thing or had a negative things about Catholics…

If they do…and you say Mormons to that bashed thing too and you agree with both Churches doing it…I doubt you will get banned.

Let me know what anti-Catholic thread you post on…like I said…I have not found one

Anti-Catholic thread? Is this an anti-Mormon thread?

What is the Mormon equivalent of CAF?

 

[TexanKnight]

Anti-Catholic thread? Is this an anti-Mormon thread?

What is the Mormon equivalent of CAF?

sooo…let me see…this is not an anti thread?

if not…and I post saying I agree with it and I also agree when when Catholics do it…suddenly it IS anti?

odd

I will PM you the other site. I think it is against the rules for me to provide a link here

 

[lax16]

sooo…let me see…this is not an anti thread?

if not…and I post saying I agree with it and I also agree when when Catholics do it…suddenly it IS anti?

odd

I will PM you the other site. I think it is against the rules for me to provide a link here

I don’t understand what you mean?

This thread is not anti Mormon in my opinion.

 

[TexanKnight]

I don’t understand what you mean?

This thread is not anti Mormon in my opinion.

I did not take it as negative either…that was my point. I like that LDS Church gets involved…I like it when Catholic Church gets involved. I like it when the Baptist Church does

I am not sure why me saying all Churches do it or should it was bad.

 

[lax16]

I did not take it as negative either…that was my point. I like that LDS Church gets involved…I like it when Catholic Church gets involved. I like it when the Baptist Church does

I am not sure why me saying all Churches do it or should it was bad.

Okay.

When I am discussing religion with someone, I NEVER say, “well the so and so’s do it too”. It’s irrelevant. All that matters is that we try to promote the one, true Church started by Jesus Christ. There can only be one.

Obviously, IMO, you are trying to muddy the waters and make it seem as if Mormonism and Catholicism are similar. They are not.

If you want to discuss the fact that there are similar values, then okay. But to interject Mormonism into every conversation then claim it’s not fair if I (or someone else) doesn’t see Mormonism and Catholicism as equal…well, they can’t be!

You know better than most that Mormonism started out as being anti: Catholic, Protestant, Trinity, monogamy, American, the list goes on and on. I am not going to let the waters become muddy because there is no way the Church started by Jesus Christ fell away.

 

[TexanKnight]

Okay.

When I am discussing religion with someone, I NEVER say, “well the so and so’s do it too”. It’s irrelevant. All that matters is that we try to promote the one, true Church started by Jesus Christ. There can only be one.

Obviously, IMO, you are trying to muddy the waters and make it seem as if Mormonism and Catholicism are similar. They are not.

If you want to discuss the fact that there are similar values, then okay. But to interject Mormonism into every conversation then claim it’s not fair if I (or someone else) doesn’t see Mormonism and Catholicism as equal…well, they can’t be!

You know better than most that Mormonism started out as being anti: Catholic, Protestant, Trinity, monogamy, American, the list goes on and on. I am not going to let the waters become muddy because there is no way the Church started by Jesus Christ fell away.

I do NOT try to inject Mormonism into everything. Other than the Eucharist thread, I have ONLY responded to LDS threads…Mormonism has already been injected. But…if someone throws a stone…“Mormons do this…” then it is only fair to show both sides. Again…people in glass houses should not throw stones. People start LDS threads…shouldn’t a Mormon be allowed to respond? And if hypocrisy seen, shouldn’t it be pointed out?

 

[zaffiroborant]

Wimmer, who no longer identifies himself as a Mormon, has come out recently to acknowledge the LDS church’s strong influence over Utah politics. He cited specifically the immigration-related legislation church leaders endorsed in 2011 that he, himself opposed as well as a 2008 bill that outlawed the sale of flavored malt beverages—another bill with which he found himself at odds with the church.

Speaking Monday on KUER’s RadioWest, Wimmer described meetings behind closed doors between legislators and church lobbyists being akin to LDS Personal Priesthood Interviews.

“They did only approach me twice when it was two issues that they really, really cared about,” Wimmer said. “But when they do approach you and they care about it, they expect you to get in line.”

Full article here.

Have there been recent stories published about top members of Catholic leadership in the US meeting behind closed doors with legislators implying their specific religious authority over those men or women in a government setting such as Wimmer describes? Can anyone point me to an article covering it, I’d like to read about it.

 

[Brandon_Cal]

Well this thread certainly has taken a turn for the worse (like all threads Mormon related, and to no small part by the participation of a certain sock puppet of ‘Why Me’.)

The General:

I find morality in Mormonism to effectively boil down to “what is good for the church”. Outside of sexual immorality, there are no moral absolutes in Mormonism. Any and all moral dictates can be dispensed with as long as one can conceivably relate the dispensation to something beneficial to the “spreading of the Gospel”. And even then there might be some grey area.

The Specific:

I can’t for the life of me understand why Mormons are so against cannabis yet totally OK with prescription opioids. Maybe if someone came up with a pill form of THC the LDS might reconsider their Refer Madness?

That’s all I have to say (or maybe not). I’m likely to go against my better judgment and respond when challenged (by certain sock puppets of ‘Why Me’).

 

[TexanKnight]

Well this thread certainly has taken a turn for the worse (like all threads Mormon related, and to no small part by the participation of a certain sock puppet of ‘Why Me’.)

The General:

I find morality in Mormonism to effectively boil down to “what is good for the church”. Outside of sexual immorality, there are no moral absolutes in Mormonism. Any and all moral dictates can be dispensed with as long as one can conceivably relate the dispensation to something beneficial to the “spreading of the Gospel”. And even then there might be some grey area.

The Specific:

I can’t for the life of me understand why Mormons are so against cannabis yet totally OK with prescription opioids. Maybe if someone came up with a pill form of THC the LDS might reconsider their Refer Madness?

That’s all I have to say (or maybe not). I’m likely to go against my better judgment and respond when challenged (by certain sock puppets of ‘Why Me’).

I suppose we can all find things that each other can’t understand “for the life of me”.

and I am sorry that threads take a turn when casting stones forgetting about your own vulnerability…

as to sock puppets…there is no need for personal attacks.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Well this thread certainly has taken a turn for the worse (like all threads Mormon related, and to no small part by the participation of a certain sock puppet of ‘Why Me’.)

The General:

I find morality in Mormonism to effectively boil down to “what is good for the church”. Outside of sexual immorality, there are no moral absolutes in Mormonism. Any and all moral dictates can be dispensed with as long as one can conceivably relate the dispensation to something beneficial to the “spreading of the Gospel”. And even then there might be some grey area.

The Specific:

I can’t for the life of me understand why Mormons are so against cannabis yet totally OK with prescription opioids. Maybe if someone came up with a pill form of THC the LDS might reconsider their Refer Madness?

That’s all I have to say (or maybe not). I’m likely to go against my better judgment and respond when challenged (by certain sock puppets of ‘Why Me’).

That is what happened, Feb 5. The LDS church opposed the bill to legalize medical marijuana. It did not oppose a bill that would legalize extracts that do not use THC.

Then yesterday, both bills moved forward out of committee, headed for a vote. There is strong support from a coalition of families with terminally ill family members. They’re lobbying kept the bill from dying in committee but they say there are two people on the committee who they are sure will change their vote when it is on the floor.

Meanwhile I’m with you on not getting the LDS church stance. There is already one FDA approved drug that is synthetic THC. Is the LDS church going to start reviewing every drug and declare which should be prescribed and which should not?

Eta, I get it now. It is about controlling the dispensing of medical marijuana. The LDS church controls the dispensing of alcohol in Utah. They want the same control over medical marijuana. (And obviously they have it.). When a bill is put forward that puts dispensing in the exclusive control of state operated pharmacies, that will be ok.