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Picture of the servers for a church posing. Any comments on the attire absence of somthing or somepersons in this picture.

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The photo is not showing up. Is there a problem with the link or the post?
 
not sure I can see them? Hmm

By the way the photos are from a public internet site. Just so you know I linked these to sites that already had them posted for public viewing.
 
I see two photos. The first is several young girls (and one boy) who all appear to be wearing cassocks and surplices and a cross on a ribbon around their necks. I didn’t think girls were to wear cassocks, but albs instead. The second is several women wearing albs talking to a priest in a stole. Then there is the incense boy in your sig…
 
The first looks like a bunch of Episcopalians, unfortunately it probably isn’t.

They should be wearing albs as it is proper. This is like putting a bunch of boys in veils and wimples. It is misleading and not representative of the Catholic faith as our dress reflects the reality of our faith. There is a difference between boys and girls and it is wrong to mislead girls like this as it insults them by dressing them that way.

I am not sure about the second picture, it just looks like some ladies who are serving as MC’s which is common in my diocese.
Doesn’t look like there is anything wrong there as this is normal in many dioceses. We do not have Acolytes as those are reserved only for men and that would offend the women. There are very few dioceses where the Bishop is brave enough to appoint Acolytes.

With the secular view many Catholics have on the faith, many get offended when people point out there are different roles for men and women, as if God didn’t make different roles for men and women.

God Bless
Scylla
 
Hmm? Everybody to me looks properly dressed, well-groomed, respectful, and happy to serve. Can’t have too much of a problem with that.
 
ChemicalBean said:
Hmm? Everybody to me looks properly dressed, well-groomed, respectful, and happy to serve. Can’t have too much of a problem with that.
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Girls are no more supposed to wear cassocks than boy are supposed to wear nun’s habits.

If you saw a picture of a boy wearing nun’s clothes, would you also describe him as being “properly dressed”
 
Brendan said:
Girls are no more supposed to wear cassocks than boy are supposed to wear nun’s habits.

If you saw a picture of a boy wearing nun’s clothes, would you also describe him as being “properly dressed”
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Properly dressed would depend on the culture. No if we are talking United States, present day.

Servers wearing cassocks. I don’t think our culture here in the US would have a problem with that. I assume your opposition to girls in cassocks comes from a time that Servers were boys.

In my culture… I would have no problem with girls in cassocks. I would like to see the rest of our ministers dressed as nice as those in the pictures (Lectors, Cantors, etc)
 
ChemicalBean said:
Hmm? Everybody to me looks properly dressed, well-groomed, respectful, and happy to serve. Can’t have too much of a problem with that.
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Hey Bean long time no hear! How things in the Archdiocese? Still in cloneville?

I heard Hanus was going to Bann Female Altar servers…juuuuuuust kidding.😃
 
I still don’t see a picture. Maybe there’s something wrong with my computer!:confused:
 
I think you might be suggesting that what is wrong is female servers…:confused:
 
DJgang said:
I think you might be suggesting that what is wrong is female servers…:confused:
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Well,

I am wondering if you are familiar with the historical account of altar boys? As recently as my youth (40 years old) boys were “chosen” from the parish that I went to to expose them to the service at the altar to foster and cultivate any interest in the sacrametal priesthood. In fact back in the days that was the sole reason for boys to be chosen. It existed for the very reason to promote vocations. I heard once that female altar serving was a dead end job… not true with altar boys. The parish that I went to as a child had a HUGE altar BOY corps. Now there are NO boys serving. And not even a hint of a priestly vocation in a VERY VERY long time. Boys myself included associate with the priest while serving…it is and was unavoidable. Impossible for girls. I distinctly remember the feeling and it did cross my mind quite a bit (vocation that is). We served all the way up through our senior year in HS.
 
THurifer2 said:
Well,

I am wondering if you are familiar with the historical account of altar boys? As recently as my youth (40 years old) boys were “chosen” from the parish that I went to to expose them to the service at the altar to foster and cultivate any interest in the sacrametal priesthood. In fact back in the days that was the sole reason for boys to be chosen. It existed for the very reason to promote vocations. I heard once that female altar serving was a dead end job… not true with altar boys. The parish that I went to as a child had a HUGE altar BOY corps. Now there are NO boys serving. And not even a hint of a priestly vocation in a VERY VERY long time. Boys myself included associate with the priest while serving…it is and was unavoidable. Impossible for girls. I distinctly remember the feeling and it did cross my mind quite a bit (vocation that is). We served all the way up through our senior year in HS.
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Yes, I know the history.

It has been, at my parish, I’ve noticed, that boys and girl alternate. Either all boys or all girls. During school Mass, it’s always girls, I don’t know if they just can’t get boys or what…

I’m at odds about it, to be honest. I do see the need for altar boys, to cultivate the image of priesthood…but what can we do to cultivate the religious life for girls? Use to, we had nuns in the schools, that’s not the case anymore. If you want your little lady involved or to be around religious life, you almost have to be part of a parish at a convent or something…and around where I live, there really isn’t any Parish life at the convents, shrine, monstery, etc. I don’t know…🤷
 
In my parish we have 50/50 boys and girls. We have three seminarians. The last one that has been recently ordained has already been replaced by fresh blood. few more servers are inquiring about seminary. Now we are trying to convince some of the girls to think about a religious order.
 
Evan said:
Properly dressed would depend on the culture. No if we are talking United States, present day.

Servers wearing cassocks. I don’t think our culture here in the US would have a problem with that. I assume your opposition to girls in cassocks comes from a time that Servers were boys.

In my culture… I would have no problem with girls in cassocks. I would like to see the rest of our ministers dressed as nice as those in the pictures (Lectors, Cantors, etc)
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Cassocks and Surplices are clerical garb. Women cannot be clerics. Boys wearing cassocks and surplices was to associate their role at the altar with a potential vocation to the priesthood. Modern feminism has eroded into our culture and church to see roles in the church as an inequality issue. Girls to should wear ALBs when serving at the Altar…but if you look at the historical existance of the “altar boy” it seems odd to have girls serving since they cannot be priests. Yes we all know that all altar boys cannot/will not becocme priests but NO altar girls will ever end up in the priesthood. We have become blinded to the fact that roles men and women are different and boys and girls are different. You can bet you bottom dollar that when JPII “allowed” females to serve Modern Feminists in the church were getting ready to go and buy Dalmatics and Chausibles in anticipation of Womens Ordination. I have had a Modern Feminist tell me this personally that allowing girls to serve was a triumph the Womens Ordination movement. Now that she is getting grey haired her patience is wearing out. The impression I get from this woman is she wants to be a priest because it will give her a sense of Power.
 
Isn’t Christ missing from thr crucifixes in the first photo of the servers?
 
Cristiano said:
In my parish we have 50/50 boys and girls. We have three seminarians. The last one that has been recently ordained has already been replaced by fresh blood. few more servers are inquiring about seminary. Now we are trying to convince some of the girls to think about a religious order.
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Gee 50/50? the math tells me if there were not girls then you would have 6 seminarians. Juuuust kidding;)

Interesting…I am wondering though if being an altar server isn’t sending a mixed message to the girls? Perhaps that is why you are trying to figure out ways to convince a religious order?

What is a girl to think when she dresses like a priest as a kid only to end up in a nuns habit.
 
THurifer2 said:
Interesting…I am wondering though if being an altar server isn’t sending a mixed message to the girls? Perhaps that is why you are trying to figure out ways to convince a religious order?
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We are simply trying to make sure that boys and girls understand that the religious life is a very honorable path to follow. It is wrong to give the impression that only boys can be destined to serve the Lord. Even the boys have to learn that they can be something else besides a diocesan priest.
THurifer2 said:
What is a girl to think when she dresses like a priest as a kid only to end up in a nuns habit.
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1- In Italy we have a saying that roughly translated says “The habit does not make the monk”

2- “only to end up in nuns habit”? I think that it sounds quite chauvinistic to talk that way of a person that decides to spend the rest of her life serving the Lord, unless you think that women should be allowed to be ordained as priests.

3- Not all men that are in religious orders are priests either.
 
I gather the secularists and protestants have won. I’m glad I don’t attend that church.

CDL
 
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