Common Cups-How Long Do Indults Take?

[Br.Rich_SFO]

BUT THE BISHOP IS CONSECRATING IN THE DECANTER TOO, SO BASICALLY I’M IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE BISHOP. WILL THAT JEOPARDIZE THE SALVATION OF MY SOUL IF HE LOOKS AT ME WITH DISDAIN AND THINKS i’M BEING DISOBEDIENT TO HIS AUTHORITY?

He would be the one being disobedient, not you!

 

[OhMalley]

I checked this weekend. They don’t “dip” or “dry” or “spoon” or anything else is my eparchy. That’s not the “praxis” errrr, practice.

 

[otjm]

I’m not sure what you mean by going where angels fear to tread…
Maybe I am naiive given the fact that I’ve never dealt with the Pastor or the Diocese much before this last couple of years…
I am new at this and perplexed at the level of anger I seem to be encountering. Especially given the fact that RS states that the faithful have the right and responsibility to question when they feel their pastor or Bishop is not following the magisterium.

I would think that the Pastor would be happy we care, and believe in the real presence, instead of getting angry…so you are right…I don’t get it. Is there something BIG I’m just missing?

The level of anger that the pastor exhibited is not confined to priests, or the Catholic Church. Elders in general do not like to be corrected; those who are professionals (and let’s not get into an arguement about professional or not about priests - I am referring to those who have advanced degrees and are in a position of power and/or authority) have a tendency to look at someone who does not have a degree as not knowing enough to come in out of the rain, let alone tell them how to do something that is within their provence and “expertise”. It is a bit akin to someone with an undergraduate degree in pre-law telling a senior attorney about law. Maybe not the best analogy, but it will do. Just because the pre-law student doesn’t have a law degree and 15 years of practice does not mean that the attorney knows more; but the presumption certainly is there that the attorney knows a bit more.

Some pastors will take the comments kindly; out of that batch, some may change and others may simply ignore the comments. Others will take the comments not so kindly. And too often those who would make the comments are naive enough to think that the comment will of course be well received, since it comes from a Church document.

My original comment appears to have been made long before your time; it comes from a song by Ricky Nelson: “Fools rush in, where angels fear to tread, and so I come to you my love, my heart above my head…”, although he was not the first to use the phrase.

Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from mistakes. Mistakes come from lack of wisdom. And some never learn from their mistakes, and are bound to repeat them.

 

[cknick]

The level of anger that the pastor exhibited is not confined to priests, or the Catholic Church. Elders in general do not like to be corrected; those who are professionals (and let’s not get into an arguement about professional or not about priests - I am referring to those who have advanced degrees and are in a position of power and/or authority) have a tendency to look at someone who does not have a degree as not knowing enough to come in out of the rain, let alone tell them how to do something that is within their provence and “expertise”. It is a bit akin to someone with an undergraduate degree in pre-law telling a senior attorney about law. Maybe not the best analogy, but it will do. Just because the pre-law student doesn’t have a law degree and 15 years of practice does not mean that the attorney knows more; but the presumption certainly is there that the attorney knows a bit more.

Some pastors will take the comments kindly; out of that batch, some may change and others may simply ignore the comments. Others will take the comments not so kindly. And too often those who would make the comments are naive enough to think that the comment will of course be well received, since it comes from a Church document.

My original comment appears to have been made long before your time; it comes from a song by Ricky Nelson: “Fools rush in, where angels fear to tread, and so I come to you my love, my heart above my head…”, although he was not the first to use the phrase.

Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from mistakes. Mistakes come from lack of wisdom. And some never learn from their mistakes, and are bound to repeat them.

Well, to provide an update…
With other difficulties that have arisen over time, this pastor has begun to extend some kindness, and has promised to consider some changes to ongoing issues…he actually said thank you, and promised to follow-up. MANY THANKS TO GOD’S SAVING GRACE!