Common Ground between Protestants and Catholics?

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Greetings and peace be with you 30miller;
Though loving your neighbor may be the second greatest commandment - it does not constitute the entire Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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I believe the greatest commandments are the most profound words written by anyone, anywhere. I believe the word ‘HANG’ is the most profound single word ever written in context in the greatest commandments, its meaning is beyond our understanding.

You could compare the greatest commandments to a hook to hang your coat on; if the hook comes of the wall the coat falls on the floor.

All the laws and prophets of God hang on these two commandments, what else is in the Bible apart from the laws and the prophets of God?

If we do not hang all our Christian beliefs and actions on the greatest commandments then Christianity seems to visibly fall on the floor. Just like the coat with a broken hook.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric
 
Kitty_Chan said:
I appreciate it Scott thanks its getting me down.

and as for the greastest commandment, just how doesnt it constitute the gospel of Jesus.

Is there some way to get around things with it??

This is the only thing one needs to know or do, all the rest comes from it.
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This post is the 1st non-answer to explaining historic Jesus’ words in Matthew 16 15-19.
 
Nella said:
Martin Luther discarded those books because they are full of errors and they are NOT the inspired word of God. Sirach has tons of non-Biblical teachings. The book says to divorce your wife if she will not obey you. The Catholic church certainly does not condone that.
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This post is a continuation of the 2nd non-answer to explaining historic Jesus’ words in Matthew 16 15-19.

It’s interesting that what you say is exactly what Martin Luther did when he broke his vows - he “divorced” (i.e. abandoned and went against his vows) his “wife” (the Church) because she (the Church) would not obey him! Yeah, you’re right - out with that book of the Bible! Next…
 
Eric_Hyom said:
Greetings and peace be with you 30miller;

I believe the greatest commandments are the most profound words written by anyone, anywhere. I believe the word ‘HANG’ is the most profound single word ever written in context in the greatest commandments, its meaning is beyond our understanding.

You could compare the greatest commandments to a hook to hang your coat on; if the hook comes of the wall the coat falls on the floor.

All the laws and prophets of God hang on these two commandments, what else is in the Bible apart from the laws and the prophets of God?

If we do not hang all our Christian beliefs and actions on the greatest commandments then Christianity seems to visibly fall on the floor. Just like the coat with a broken hook.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric
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This post is the 3rd non-answer to explaining historic Jesus’ words in Matthew 16 15-19.
 
I guess its non answers from non christians :rolleyes:

why bother finding common ground, God hates us cause we dont go to your church. :rolleyes:

I guess when we die He will sort us out.
 
Greetings and peace be with you 30miller;

In Matthew 16 15-19. Jesus does not say that the Christian Church hangs on Peter the rock. I believe there is a great need to start with the greatest first. I believe you can search for greatness by asking….

Should we hang Christianity on the authority of the Pope and the Catholic Church?

Or should we strive to hang Christianity on the greatest commandments?

Which is the greater path to take?

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric
 
Kitty_Chan said:
I guess its non answers from non christians :rolleyes:

why bother finding common ground, God hates us cause we dont go to your church. :rolleyes:

I guess when we die He will sort us out.
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Another non-answer. You’re on a roll. And add to that a non sequitur as well. Then wrap it up with a false conclusion and a rash judgment. Why don’t you get serious?
 
30miller said:
So, how exactly does Matthew 16 15:19 fit into your view of Jesus’ dictates? And most specifically verse 19 - what exactly is Jesus telling Peter and the Church He is founding upon him? Note Jesus doesn’t give Peter the Keys to the Kingdom and then just tell him to love his neighbor. He gives him SPECIFIC authority and responsibilities. Though loving your neighbor may be the second greatest commandment - it does not constitute the entire Gospel of Jesus Christ. There is much more to Jesus’ DIRECT commands than that. And the Catholic Church stands alone recognizing the completeness of the Gospel of Jesus - not just cherrypicking a handful of verses to justify anything and everything. That’s why it does matter what Church you attend.
(And what Bible you choose to read as well, for that matter. It was no accident that Martin Luther discarded 8 books entirely from the TRUE Bible - he couldn’t reconcile them to the errant way he chose to live).
THAT is GOD’s religion - not the Kumbaya Jesus - the Historic Jesus.
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The question is, why should I think that Jesus (as God) is schitzophrenic? Could the point of the Old Testament be love as expressed and lived in the 2nd Greatest Commandment, but the point of the New Testament be a list of N doctrinal statements of truth? Is that truly the direction that God moved in?

I think not. Remember that Jesus’ gave us a light burden, not a heavy burden – Matt 11:28-30.

But I’ll answer your question. Peter’s “keys” are not a check against personal bad behavior. Immediately after this declaration Peter began to drift – see Matt 16:23, “Get behind me, Satan!” And we’ve had bad popes and bad bishops whose behaviors though couched as good doctrine were something God did not enjoy or desire.

It is best to be a Catholic at a good Catholic church. When that cannot be had, it is better to be at a good Methodist church, or any good Protestant church, instead of at a bad Catholic church. Jesus’ parables apply to Catholics as well as to everyone else. See Matt 22, the wedding banquet. See Matt 25, the bridesmaids and the talents.

Here’s an extreme illustration: consider the victims of sexual abuse by priests. Would you really have told them to their face that God demanded that they remain Catholic in a Catholic church and attend mass every week during their time of abuse? And now are you going to tell them to their face that God demands that they remain Catholic and continue attending mass every week? No! Love shouts, “Don’t do that to them! Let them go to a different Christian church if they want to!”

That’s an extreme case, yes, but we have to account for it. It is best to be a Catholic at a good Catholic church, but being Catholic is not an requirement that God imposed upon mankind. I have no fear of non-Catholic Christians because I met God with them. God is friends with non-Catholics, and a friend of God is a friend to me.
 
scottm said:
The question is, why should I think that Jesus (as God) is schitzophrenic? Could the point of the Old Testament be love as expressed and lived in the 2nd Greatest Commandment, but the point of the New Testament be a list of N doctrinal statements of truth? Is that truly the direction that God moved in?

I think not. Remember that Jesus’ gave us a light burden, not a heavy burden – Matt 11:28-30.

But I’ll answer your question. Peter’s “keys” are not a check against personal bad behavior. Immediately after this declaration Peter began to drift – see Matt 16:23, “Get behind me, Satan!” And we’ve had bad popes and bad bishops whose behaviors though couched as good doctrine were something God did not enjoy or desire.

It is best to be a Catholic at a good Catholic church. When that cannot be had, it is better to be at a good Methodist church, or any good Protestant church, instead of at a bad Catholic church. Jesus’ parables apply to Catholics as well as to everyone else. See Matt 22, the wedding banquet. See Matt 25, the bridesmaids and the talents.

Here’s an extreme illustration: consider the victims of sexual abuse by priests. Would you really have told them to their face that God demanded that they remain Catholic in a Catholic church and attend mass every week during their time of abuse? And now are you going to tell them to their face that God demands that they remain Catholic and continue attending mass every week? No! Love shouts, “Don’t do that to them! Let them go to a different Christian church if they want to!”

That’s an extreme case, yes, but we have to account for it. It is best to be a Catholic at a good Catholic church, but being Catholic is not an requirement that God imposed upon mankind. I have no fear of non-Catholic Christians because I met God with them. God is friends with non-Catholics, and a friend of God is a friend to me.
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Wow! Stream-of-consicousness to the max, eh? But let’s get back to my question which your whole polemic seems to have neglected - and let’s focus in on just verse 19. OK, go.
 
scottm said:
The question is, why should I think that Jesus (as God) is schitzophrenic? Could the point of the Old Testament be love as expressed and lived in the 2nd Greatest Commandment, but the point of the New Testament be a list of N doctrinal statements of truth? Is that truly the direction that God moved in?

I think not. Remember that Jesus’ gave us a light burden, not a heavy burden – Matt 11:28-30.

But I’ll answer your question. Peter’s “keys” are not a check against personal bad behavior. Immediately after this declaration Peter began to drift – see Matt 16:23, “Get behind me, Satan!” And we’ve had bad popes and bad bishops whose behaviors though couched as good doctrine were something God did not enjoy or desire.

It is best to be a Catholic at a good Catholic church. When that cannot be had, it is better to be at a good Methodist church, or any good Protestant church, instead of at a bad Catholic church. Jesus’ parables apply to Catholics as well as to everyone else. See Matt 22, the wedding banquet. See Matt 25, the bridesmaids and the talents.

Here’s an extreme illustration: consider the victims of sexual abuse by priests. Would you really have told them to their face that God demanded that they remain Catholic in a Catholic church and attend mass every week during their time of abuse? And now are you going to tell them to their face that God demands that they remain Catholic and continue attending mass every week? No! Love shouts, “Don’t do that to them! Let them go to a different Christian church if they want to!”

That’s an extreme case, yes, but we have to account for it. It is best to be a Catholic at a good Catholic church, but being Catholic is not an requirement that God imposed upon mankind. I have no fear of non-Catholic Christians because I met God with them. God is friends with non-Catholics, and a friend of God is a friend to me.
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It is FAR better to be a good Protestant than a bad Catholic.
  • Fr. John Corapi
    Catholic Priest
 
Nella said:
It is FAR better to be a good Protestant than a bad Catholic.
  • Fr. John Corapi
    Catholic Priest
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So, your inference is that someone is suggesting to someone that they should stop being a good Protestant and become a bad Catholic??? Pray tell - please share where that comes from. Thank you.
And just to clarify where Fr Corapi comes from - Father Corapi would NEVER suggest to a good Protestant to remain as such and not to become a Catholic. Father Corapi is a modern day apostle who spends his life spreading the ENTIRE Gospel of Jesus Christ and Father Corapi is the first one to tell you the only place where the entirety and fullness of the Faith subsists and where all should be - in the Catholic Church. Jesus founded ONE Church. (In fact, until the Protestant re-formation it was simply called “the Church” - not the Catholic Church).
 
30miller said:
So, your inference is that someone is suggesting to someone that they should stop being a good Protestant and become a bad Catholic??? Pray tell - please share where that comes from. Thank you.
And just to clarify where Fr Corapi comes from - Father Corapi would NEVER suggest to a good Protestant to remain as such and not to become a Catholic. Father Corapi is a modern day apostle who spends his life spreading the ENTIRE Gospel of Jesus Christ and Father Corapi is the first one to tell you the only place where the entirety and fullness of the Faith subsists and where all should be - in the Catholic Church. Jesus founded ONE Church. (In fact, until the Protestant re-formation it was simply called “the Church” - not the Catholic Church).
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Like I said, Fr. Corapi said and I quote, “It is FAR better to be a good Protestant than a bad Catholic”. I’m not saying anything about anything here, I am just merely quoting what a Catholic priest has said.
 
Nella said:
I’m not saying anything about anything here…
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Yours is a pointless point then, I guess. My elaboration on Fr Corapi stands. He is a great priest. He wants every human being alive on this planet to be Catholic. Posing being a “good Protestant versus a bad Catholic” is a false choice for anyone.
 
30miller said:
Another non-answer. You’re on a roll. And add to that a non sequitur as well. Then wrap it up with a false conclusion and a rash judgment. Why don’t you get serious?
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maybe when you decide to not set bear traps . . . .
 
Kitty_Chan said:
maybe when you decide to not set bear traps . . . .
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Bear traps??? Are you nuts? I’ve simply asked you to address one verse of Jesus’ teachings and you start posting a series of unrelated comments not to the point.
And don’t worry, I’m not holding my breath waiting for a rational response from you on my question - as it is clear that we are talking about 2 different Jesus’ - mine the historic Jesus and yours the Kumbaya Jesus who I think may have played shortstop for the White Sox.
 
Greetings and peace be with you 30miller;

The opening post says this…
Let’s share what we have in common if that’s okay with everyone…beside the obvious of we both believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior. What else is there?
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If you want to discuss Mathew 19, then it may be better to start another thread.

In the spirit of building bgidges between our faiths;

Eric
 
BillFL said:
I strongly recommend the following DVD. It was shown on TBN several weeks ago

ninevehscrossing.com/Order-CommonGround.html

Comments from web site:

Here is an honest conversation between two deeply committed men of faith, an Evangelical pastor and a Catholic priest, about their shared faith in Jesus Christ. I recommend this resource to all who are interested in Christian unity, in keeping with a prayer of Jesus himself that his disciples be one as he and the Father are one, so that the world may believe.
–Timothy George, Dean

Beeson Divinity School
Christianity Today, Senior Editor​
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We watched this the other day. It is really good. In fact, we have Dr. Fracis Beckwith speaking at our conference this year. We are going to use the CD for an inquiry class at the conference. And, it was shown to a group of Protestant pastors a few days ago, they were astounded, and asked why they were never told this things. Also, at least one of them has asked that it be shown at his church.
 
Nella said:
It is FAR better to be a good Protestant than a bad Catholic.
  • Fr. John Corapi
    Catholic Priest
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Fr. Corapi also said, “We desire Protestants to be Catholic.” In his lecture on the teaching of Jesus Christ.
 
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