Communion at Protestant churches

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Couldn’t the “One Church” be that of *a body of humans (people that have accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior?*Couldn’t the “One Church”, inclusive of the above… believe that Jesus died for our sins? Therefore, what else is there that is keeping us apart… Catholic and the rest of the world???:confused: 🤷

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Since Catholicism is the faith, practice or system of Catholic Christianity…(Merriam Webster Dictionary definition) then I would say that Catholics believe that Jesus died for our sins. Therefore, would not the “One True Church” be a body of believers that believe in Jesus. No matter what other religious dogma is being practiced; at the end of the day, isn’t that what really matters?
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dthurmond said:
Couldn’t the “One Church” be that of *a body of humans (people that have accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior?*Couldn’t the “One Church”, inclusive of the above… believe that Jesus died for our sins? Therefore, what else is there that is keeping us apart… Catholic and the rest of the world???:confused: 🤷

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No, it could not be.

It never was, until the sixteenth century.
 
dthurmond said:
Never mind, I see… it was the Reformaton per Martin Luther.
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Yes, an Augustinian monk whom even Protestant scholars acknowledge never intended reformation of the sort which emerged. His theses were fully within the Catholic tradition.

Also, throw in Zwingli, Calvin, Henry VIII and the German Princes…

Having studied these figures, I see nothing to recommend them.

I am off topic.
 
Palladio said:
No, it could not be.

It never was, until the sixteenth century.
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See, as I read Paul’s letters and the book of Acts (even the letters of early church fathers) I think it always was how the Church viewed itself.

The present Catholic view is something that appears to have developed later, beginning with its commendable efforts to defend the faith from heresies. But then there developed an attitude that if you’re not in 100% agreement with the me, that you’re wrong. And suddenly, we have patriarchs and popes excommunicating each other and any bishop who dares to cross them. (What do they say about absolute power corrupting absolutely? I’m thinking the gates of hell may have corrupted some of the Catholic churches view of itself.) Thus for the gates of hell to NOT prevail against the Church it needs to abandon this “I’m the one and only view” it has of itself and realize that this is not what God intended. If it doesn’t, then like all human institutions, expect that one day God will bring Roman Catholicism crashing down in favor of the one true Church that exists in the fellowship of Christian who do see the body of Christ as Paul described it composed of many members but one body. For as the Catholic church rightly teaches, the gates of hell will not prevail against Christ’s Church, it is just that there is more to Christ’s Church than is recognized by the Catholic Church, so it had better get on board or get left out in the cold crying, “Lord, Lord” only to hear those terrible words, “I never knew you.”
 
dthurmond said:
Here is another great link.

en.allexperts.com/q/Christianity-Church-History-2348/Holy-Communion.htm

Also, I don’t think that there is anything wrong with using a juice instead of real wine. There are some people out here that are alcoholics. They can’t even have a sip.

I don’t believe that God will condemn them because they did not take a sip of wine at communion.

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Well, fortunately Catholics don’t serve wine in the Eucharist; they serve blood.
 
Grace_Seeker said:
See, as I read Paul’s letters and the book of Acts (even the letters of early church fathers) I think it always was how the Church viewed itself.

The present Catholic view is something that appears to have developed later, beginning with its commendable efforts to defend the faith from heresies. But then there developed an attitude that if you’re not in 100% agreement with the me, that you’re wrong. And suddenly, we have patriarchs and popes excommunicating each other and any bishop who dares to cross them. (What do they say about absolute power corrupting absolutely? I’m thinking the gates of hell may have corrupted some of the Catholic churches view of itself.) Thus for the gates of hell to NOT prevail against the Church it needs to abandon this “I’m the one and only view” it has of itself and realize that this is not what God intended. If it doesn’t, then like all human institutions, expect that one day God will bring Roman Catholicism crashing down in favor of the one true Church that exists in the fellowship of Christian who do see the body of Christ as Paul described it composed of many members but one body. For as the Catholic church rightly teaches, the gates of hell will not prevail against Christ’s Church, it is just that there is more to Christ’s Church than is recognized by the Catholic Church, so it had better get on board or get left out in the cold crying, “Lord, Lord” only to hear those terrible words, “I never knew you.”
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This is not Church History you are giving, but a poor cariacture of it, bearing no likeness whatever to the past, and rather thinly disguised Catholic bashing.

As for your readings of Paul, just an example of–very sorry to say it–making it up as you go along, besides cherry picking passages.

As I said, either God is a prankster–with 20000 to 30000 sects–or he wants one church, as Christ said to Peter, not to Zwingli, Luther, Calvin, Henry VIII or Wesley.

Sorry this is off topic. Which is my fault completely.

God bless you.
 
Something that has always picked my brain is Babylon. When God destroyed the one religion satan had made, so when satan regrouped, he came back and didnt make the same “mistake” again. he made many but they ALL still worship satan.

And if satan copies the Lord in everything (because he is incapable of original thought), well then… many that still worship the one Jesus Christ although in different styles.

And satans followers follow suit, all worshiping him but in different styles.

Just something thats always in the back of my mind. 🙂 everytime I hear there are soo many whatever.
 
Beyrak said:
No. If you are ex-communicated, you are separated from the Church and if you start a new organization as a splinter group, your genesis starts at that point…
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Beyrak; 2584098:
No. If you are ex-communicated, you are separated from the Church and if you start a new organization as a splinter group, your genesis starts at that point.

Is Salvation (Soteriology) restricted to Catholics alone?
In his book, “Journey into Easter”, Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI), preached a Retreat to Pope John Paul II.On page 141, he clarifies, “No one has a right to excommunicate”. Iranaeus assumed that, if Jesus Christ is inside the Church, Satan is on the outside. Hence excommunicate.
But St. Augustine excommunicated himself before his death to experience the pain of the excommunicate.
The canonization process of Martin Luther is on.
In Pope John Paul II’s eulogy, Billy Graham, in his foreword, writes, “I first became acquainted with the name of this remarkable man when I visited Poland in 1978. At that time, he was known as Karol Cardinal Wojtyla, and he had invited me to have tea with him and to preach in his home church, St. Anne’s in Krakow. As it turned out, however, we did not meet; he had been called away to Rome to participate in the election of the new pope following the unexpected death of John Paul After that, John Paul welcomed me several times at the Vatican, and although we came from different backgrounds, we developed a warm friendship with each other….
As the world faces the challenges of a new millennium, may Christ’s call to repentance and faith be heard with greater clarity to each of us.”
Communion is sharing the fellowship of Christ. In Spiritual Communion, we receive God “in Spirit and truth” (John4.24). Jesus Christ died for the world. (John3.16). Is Salvation (Soteriology) restricted to Catholics alone?
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Della said:
None of those things ought to have happened–they were abuses, especially that of the bishop! :eek:

By throwing the Eucharist open to non-Catholics, instead of being a source of enrichment for those souls, it was actually a potentially damaging thing to do. How many who received were in a state of grace to receive (without mortal sin)? How many came away, like you did, with the impression that the Eucharist is nothing more than a means to an ends instead of the very heart of Catholicism?

No. This principle cannot be compromised without serious scandal and real damage to souls and to true ecumenism, which does not ask a person to compromise his faith in order to “get along.” I say this in all charity–these events were totally wrong and should never have been permitted.
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I agree totally !! in fact i may not be so charitable especially to those who should know better ( our own Bishops).
 
“It is not for those alone that I Pray, but for those who through their words put their faith in Me.”(John17.21).
‘So if you are presenting your gift at the altar and suddenly remember that your brother has a grievance against you, leave your gift before the altar. First go and make peace with your brother; then come back and offer your gift.”(Matthew5:23-24).
Whether we are in the ’sola fides’ or ‘sola scriptura’ camp,
‘Now come, let us argue this out,” says the Lord. (Isaiah1.18).
denis
 
Grace_Seeker said:
No. You don’t get it. Protestants, Orthodox, Coptic, and yes, even Catholic are all part of one Church – that is the true Universal Church. No one has left it and no one can claim it is exclusively their church. The Church belongs to Jesus Christ, not a denomination, not even the one that (mistakenly) views itself as being founded by Jesus himself. The diviisions between us are of all of our making, and whether we are the leaver or the left, we all equally guilty of the sins associated with separation.
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Catholic meaning the " whole " the one universal Church. Under the guidance of the the Vicar of Christ. For a body without a head would surely die… Therefore Christ chose Peter to be the head and to correct his brothers when they were in error… Now i’m sure that Christ himself would have known that the need for a visible head would have to last till the end of time… hence our present Pope ( Vicar of Christ)…
 
Theodore said:
Catholic meaning the " whole " the one universal Church. Under the guidance of the the Vicar of Christ. For a body without a head would surely die… Therefore Christ chose Peter to be the head and to correct his brothers when they were in error… Now i’m sure that Christ himself would have known that the need for a visible head would have to last till the end of time… hence our present Pope ( Vicar of Christ)…
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The body of Christ already has Christ as its head. In this case, two heads are NOT better than one.
 
“Blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Heavenly Father. And so I Say unto you, You are Peter, and upon this rock I Will Build My Church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it…”( Matthew16.18.)
“…Get behind me, satan! You are an obstacle to Me.”(Matthew17.23).
Jesus Christ clarified that the Trinitarian God is the Head of the Church. Peter was a human being inspired by God.
Communion, Real or symbolic, is meant to unite, not divide.denis
 
As for your readings of Paul said:
Ah, making it up as you go. Catholics changed the Gregorain kalender to read “ordinary time” in the weeks following Pentecost instead of counting the weeks past like the early church did. And they changed how the Eucharist is received from the early church from kneeling at the rail to standing. i guess its ok for them to do this but when someone else makes changes it is called Protestantism. Talk about making it up as you go along.
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