Communion ban routinely ignored, Tablet survey finds

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I’d say that the divorced and remarried (in a civil union, or another church) have done everything they can to “regularise” their situation. They can’t go any further, without throwing out something very valuable in their life - that may also be very valuable to their children, etc. So the condition, of not being able to recieve communion, is pretty much permanent.
What you are describing is having two spouses at the same time, isn’t it?
I wrote that as a response to the question “Does anybody know why the Synod defined the issue as communion for the divorced and remarried?. Isn’t that too narrow a definition, because as I understand it the communion ban applies to all people living as a couple that are not in what the church considers a valid marriage e.g. divorcees living common-law, or young people living together prior to any marriage.” Nobody is advocating that the Church should accept two marriages in a row without blinking.

As to your question, well. That depends on what you mean by “spouse”.

Is the picture painted that of two sacramental marriages at the same time? No. In the eyes of the Church, this person has only one spouse and is commiting adultery in the new relationshiop.

In the eyes of society, the divorce is valid and so the individual in this situation only has one spouse.

When the journalists reporting from the synod write that the African bishops talk about polygamy, most of us just shrug and find it weird. But try to imagine someone who becomes a Christian, and already has two or three wives. What should he do? Abandon all but one? Throw them out of his house, take no responsability for their welfare? The situation is not easy - nor is it easily judged, from a morally point of view. It is a dilemma. The same can be said about the situation of whose husband or wife left them, without offering the participation in an annulment process. Not all divorced and remarried are the abandoned part, of course. Some just don’t want to have their first marriage declared invalid, fearing the childring will feel bad about the Church saying their parents were never actually married (that situation is very, very real). And then we have the effects on the children whose parents stop going to mass, feeling excluded. The children have to make their way to Church themselves, as adults. Most don’t.

Cardinal Vincent Nichols from the UK went to the synod thinking that you can not allow divorced and remarried to recieve communion without changing the Church’s doctrine on the indissolubility of marriage. He came from it thinking that maybe there is a way, if you create a penitential pathway.
Short article: thetablet.co.uk/news/1290/0/nichols-sees-way-for-divorced-and-remarried-to-receive-communion
Podcast: soundcloud.com/the-tablet-publishing-co
The podcast is, in a way, of terrible quality. There’s helicopters and churchbells disturbing the interview, plus the reporter apparently records the interview on her phone and recieves a text message, without having shut of the notification sound sigh and the cardinal gets irritated at her, since he feels she is trying to make him picture two “camps” of opposite opinions. He, OTOH, wants to describe the discussions in the small groups, which he felt was the most valuable part of the synod. Nobody, he says, in the synod wanted to allow divorced and remarried to communion tomorrow just like that. The ortodox process of allowing a second marriage, he says, is not an easy one. Being allowed to communio, there, is a process that could take years. Despite the quality, I recommend that podcast.

So Cardinal Nichols comes home from the synod pondering on these things. Let him and all the other synod fathers talk to their fellow bishops and to their priests, and let opinions form and decision grow. The synod fathers will come back to the topic a year from now.

I’ll be praying for this process.
 
Yawn. Just another skewed survey by a dissenting publication. Nothing to see here, folks, move along. We’ll believe this tripe when we see scientific methods used.
In a way, I see these types of statistics used as the rationale others use to receive in mortal sin. IOW, scandal begets scandal. Thus I would expect future numbers to increase. Either that or more will be completely desensitized as to the sin of sacrilege and may not respond at all.
 
thetablet.co.uk/news/1288/0/communion-ban-routinely-ignored-tablet-survey-finds

Roughly 25% didn’t ask the priest, but still recieved in good conscience. 10% had asked the priest, and gotten permission. 50% went to mass, but didn’t recieve. 10% avoided mass altogether. (More exact numbers in the article)

This is just a web questionnaire, not really science. Still, it can be noted that the group of divorced and remarried who recieve communion is fairly large.
This is something that the recent Synod will “correct”, albeit (ingeniously) “through the back door”.

There has been so much press coverage about this issue that, when it is all over and the true doctrine and pastoral guidelines are made public, people in these situations will be much less apt to ignore them.

The Pope is a genius.
 
Is anyone surprised by this?? In the parishes I go to i’d be shocked if the priest knew more than a handful of peoples names let alone their personal lives well enough to police the sacrament of communion. I don’t think that priests have this connection with their parishes except for small rural churches.
 
I try not to watch how many people receive the Eucharist at Mass and worry about how many might not be in a state of grace, or for what reason they aren’t.

Instead, I only consider whether I am worthy to approach the Lord’s Table.

It’s hard enough to understand what’s in my own heart without being preoccupied with what might be in the hearts of others…God has that covered!
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