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Hesychios
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I think that was just a Public Service Announcement for the benefit of the many observers who may pass this way
Thank you for posting the relevant canon. If I had the foresight I would have done likewise
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Thank you for posting the relevant canon. If I had the foresight I would have done likewise
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dbacks5439
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Depends which rite the church is that I go to. Either way, gotta make room for Jesus.
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awalt
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I am becoming greatly concerned by the desire to label ourselves in this forum. We are not any of these labels, and labelling ourselves is really adopting secular habits that pull us from Christ’s Church.
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bear06
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I really wouldn’t worry about it too much. It’s only important in our silly little heads. In the grand scheme of things, these labels have little importance.
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BlestOne
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When I was little we fasted from midnight until after mass. When I grew up, we were told it was 1 hour before mass. That is what we have observed for many years. Recently we had a Japanese Catholic join my company. After mass we all go to lunch together on holy days which confused my co-worker to no end… In Japan they fast after communion too. I think he said in Japan it is 3 hours before mass ans 1 hour after.
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Hesychios
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I understand your concern, and I am sensitive to this kind of thought myself.
It is not my purpose to categorize the elements of the church, or to place people in nice neat little boxes in order to pre-judge them.
However, everyone has attributes, and the attributes have names, most people are well aware of where they fit. I would not know how to ask the question I asked without using some descriptors.
Had I asked about “shy” and “outgoing” Catholics it would be a similar question, one cannot divide the church over those attributes.
Some Roman Catholics, for reasons only they and God can know, self identify as traditional Catholics. And that is the purpose of this sub-forum, to discuss the issues and concerns related to that aspect of the worldwide Faith community. I respect that.
Some people are equally fond of and committed to the common post Vat II liturgical practices and devotions, and identify themselves that way. Some move easily between these two aspects of modern Roman Catholicism. It is all quite interesting.
It is not my desire to encourage people to think of themselves better or worse because of the opinion they hold or the actions they take. I don’t want anyone to see themselves as ‘different’, although they already might. I do want to take a snapshot of the church today and perhaps get some insight into it.
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Hesychios
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I find that an extremely interesting bit of information. I wonder if the bishops in Japan set that standard, or it is a persistant custom.
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Titus
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Presumably there is no canonical basis for the Japanese tradition? Not that isn’t a lovely tradition, but it isn’t Tradition, I think. 
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Andruschak
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I am not a Traditionalist, really. I know very little Latin, no Latin Mass anywhere near where I live, but I fast from midnight anyhow. Not from reasons of spiritual pride, but more like it shows a bit of respect.
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tradcathconvert
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Our Sunday TLM is at noon and I usually fast from midnight. Wednesday for Ash Wednesday, and on most holy days of obligation, our Mass is at 5:15p.m. On those days I observe a three our fast.
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kleary
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This poll is sort of irrevalent.
The TLM is a 40 minute drive from me. We eat breakfast at 9:00 and leave the house at 10:30 AM. Mass starts at 11:30 and Holy Communion is about 12:30, even longer if it is a choral Mass with lengthy Kyrie, Gloria and Sanctus.
I voted for “1 hour” but the fast turns out for us to be the three hour fast since we receive Holy Communion around 12:30 or so.
Ken
The TLM is a 40 minute drive from me. We eat breakfast at 9:00 and leave the house at 10:30 AM. Mass starts at 11:30 and Holy Communion is about 12:30, even longer if it is a choral Mass with lengthy Kyrie, Gloria and Sanctus.
I voted for “1 hour” but the fast turns out for us to be the three hour fast since we receive Holy Communion around 12:30 or so.
Ken
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paramedicgirl
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Yeah, it’s really sad that the TLM’s are so few and far between, isn’t it?
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Andreas_Hofer
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Don’t worry, Hesychios, I knew you weren’t trying to rabble-rouse by allowing people to self-identify.
I just wanted to augment my poll vote by saying that I selected traditional & from midnight, but if the Mass is going to be after noon I decide case by case (how hungry/thirsty am I and will it be overzealous or distracting to me?) whether to use a mitigated fast of 3 hours or, if circumstances warrant, even 1 hour (for instance, if attending dinner with family or friends would necessitate this before evening Mass).
I just wanted to augment my poll vote by saying that I selected traditional & from midnight, but if the Mass is going to be after noon I decide case by case (how hungry/thirsty am I and will it be overzealous or distracting to me?) whether to use a mitigated fast of 3 hours or, if circumstances warrant, even 1 hour (for instance, if attending dinner with family or friends would necessitate this before evening Mass).
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st_bernard
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Ditto!
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Andruschak
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Footnote: The fast does not include water. I have health problems that require a ongoing intake of water.
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Andreas_Hofer
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I think this is a point lost on those of my generation. We don’t realize that the old fast was from everything, liquid and solid. I would never have guessed it if my missal had only indicated the time period of the traditional fast, but luckily it made explicit mention of the inclusion of water. While health reasons are a great reason to mitigate that particular aspect of the fast, my experience leads me to think the abstention from drinking is much harder than that from eating.
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Pug
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Did they have an exception for water taken with medication, or was one required to not take your pills before communion?
I’m asking about the older verions of the fast, of course, not anything that had been eased.
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Unfinished
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Well.
I used to fast from midnight because I would go to Mass in the morning.
However, the TLM around here is not until late in the afternoon, so I at least have to eat lunch or I would never make it. So now I do three hours.
I used to fast from midnight because I would go to Mass in the morning.
However, the TLM around here is not until late in the afternoon, so I at least have to eat lunch or I would never make it. So now I do three hours.
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Hesychios
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It seems unfortunate, even unfair, to me that so many TL Masses are relegated to the afternoon slot.
I don’t see why they couldn’t place it somewhere between the earliest Mass and the noon Mass. As it stands, to me this makes a higher threshold, a higher “bar” so to say, for the community to meet in order to demonstrate vialbility to the bishop.
I am sorry to interject an opinion into what should ideally be an impartial survey. But routinely placing the mass in the afternoon complicates traditional fasting efforts as well (for those who are inspired to attempt them). Piety should be encouraged if possible, not discouraged.
Off my soapbax now, please continue…
I don’t see why they couldn’t place it somewhere between the earliest Mass and the noon Mass. As it stands, to me this makes a higher threshold, a higher “bar” so to say, for the community to meet in order to demonstrate vialbility to the bishop.
I am sorry to interject an opinion into what should ideally be an impartial survey. But routinely placing the mass in the afternoon complicates traditional fasting efforts as well (for those who are inspired to attempt them). Piety should be encouraged if possible, not discouraged.
Off my soapbax now, please continue…
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