Communion Fast observance

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Yeah, it’s really sad that the TLM’s are so few and far between, isn’t it?
You think 40 minutes for a TLM is bad; try an hour and a half for a decent NO Mass! That’s what I have to do; the closest TLM is the same distance but the timing of the Sunday Mass, 8 a.m., is inconvenient for such a drive, so I go to the (Latin) NO at 11 a.m.
It seems unfortunate, even unfair, to me that so many TL Masses are relegated to the afternoon slot.
Perhaps it’s to accommodate those who must come from a distance.

On the poll: that’s a hard one! First, although it usually ends up being a three-hour fast for me (and I normally like to keep it that way), I do make exceptions if particular circumstances make a one-hour fast more viable. Second, I consider myself somewhere between a Traditionalist and a non-Traditionalist. (Actually, I might be a Traditionalist if I had easier access, and thus more exposure, to a TLM.) I don’t mind the NO Mass, but I’m not just for an abuse-free NO–I like an abuse-free NO with a traditional spirit (how does that make for apparent contradiction? :D). Though allowed by the Church, I don’t agree with Communion in the hand, girl servers, extraordinary ministers (we never needed them until the last forty years), women lectors, standing for Holy Communion, and the Sign of Peace; and I’d like to see the ad orientem posture made the norm. So what would you call me???

Maria
 
On the poll: that’s a hard one! First, although it usually ends up being a three-hour fast for me (and I normally like to keep it that way), I do make exceptions if particular circumstances make a one-hour fast more viable. Second, I consider myself somewhere between a Traditionalist and a non-Traditionalist. (Actually, I might be a Traditionalist if I had easier access, and thus more exposure, to a TLM.) I don’t mind the NO Mass, but I’m not just for an abuse-free NO–I like an abuse-free NO with a traditional spirit (how does that make for apparent contradiction? :D). Though allowed by the Church, I don’t agree with Communion in the hand, girl servers, extraordinary ministers (we never needed them until the last forty years), women lectors, standing for Holy Communion, and the Sign of Peace; and I’d like to see the ad orientem posture made the norm. So what would you call me???
Hello Maria,

Very much like myself once. I think I understand. 🙂
 
You think 40 minutes for a TLM is bad; try an hour and a half for a decent NO Mass! That’s what I have to do; the closest TLM is the same distance but the timing of the Sunday Mass, 8 a.m., is inconvenient for such a drive, so I go to the (Latin) NO at 11 a.m.
Maria
Maria, if I had a TLM 40 minutes away, I would consider that a blessing, and I would go every week. The closest Tridentine Mass for me is over 320 miles round trip, so it’s either an overnight stay or a full day trip. I only get to go several times a year.
 
Well sense non-traditionalist are invited 🙂 I do fast one hour before, I did this as a Protestant as well. My dh suggested it, he grew up Catholic and I loved the idea, it suck and yet one more thing that lead me to the Catholic Church.

Maybe I am a traditionlist after all 😉
 
I fast as much as I can but I accept the determination of the Church as to what the fast minimum is, and I don’t ‘scrupulously’ indulge in a fantasy notion that I must exceed the Church’s requirement. The Church leads us to Heaven, and doesn’t mis-lead us. If she says that we must fast one hour, this is because she knows our needs. Period. Many people would be prevented from communion if they were required to fast from midnight or for three hours. Think of commuters: are they supposed to eat breakfast at work? Or have lunch at 9:30am so they can receive Our Lord at noon Mass?

Holy Mother Church knows best. The role of the fast is to prepare us for Our Lord. It is not to protect Our Lord from us. Traditionalists love to rail against the one-hour fast, but the fact is, that time frame fits the modern day. The Church is not indifferent to the conditions in which the faithful live.
 
I’m a Roman Catholic and do what the Catechism teaches.
What has traditionalism got to do with it ?
Amen!
I picked “not a traditionalist” sice I’m a revert and can hardly claim to be a better Catholic than anyone lese, much less a traditionalist.

Whenever I have gone to Communion I’ve fasted an hour – or so I thought. I saw on Ask an Apologist that even black coffee breaks the fast my whole life I had assumed that it didn’t :(. Live and loin.
 
I consider myself to be Latin traditionalist and recognize that the Eucharistic fast is a discipline that can be and has been changed from time to time.
If I am going to an early Mass, I simply don’t eat until later. If I am going to a later Mass or one that is a long way from home, I observe the one-hour fast. I have followed this even when driving to a neighboring diocese to a TLM that is late in the morning. I have a problem maintaining a sugar level and going more than eight hours without some intake makes driving dangerous for me. I know this is an excuse, and I don’t honestly know what the current fasting rule is for the TLM.
No, it is not an excuse if your health requires you to consume some food. We are after all, temples of the Holy Spirit.

And the same fasting rules apply for the TLM.
 
Fasting before communion is serious. DO IT.

Canon 919 §1 “Whoever is to receive the blessed Eucharist is to abstain for at least one hour before holy communion from all food and drink, with the sole exception of water and medicine.”
It is to be noted that it is the time of actual Communion that is at issue. (The old 3-hr fast said the fast be before the start of Mass, if I remember correctly)

So if it takes you 15 minutes to get to Church, and the Communion isn’t given till 45 minutes into the Mass, you should be ok even if you eat several Big Macs before you go.

But is this really following the spirit of the fast?
 
I would rather ‘label’ myself as a Latin Orthodox and I fast for 1 hour before the start of Mass. Since I am not mentioned above I cannot vote! 😦
 
Technically speaking, although under current rules, we only need to fast for one hour, I should have voted for midnight because I go to the 7:30 am Mass and I don’t eat or drink anything when I get up in the morning… 😛
 
Traditionalists love to rail against the one-hour fast, but the fact is, that time frame fits the modern day.
I don’t think anyone has railed against the one-hour fast on this thread. And I believe we’re just talking personal preferences, not Church requirements; at least that was what I meant when I mentioned the three-hour fast; i.e., I like, but don’t have, to fast for a longer period of time than just one hour since one hour is, um, not much of a fast, if you know what I mean. 🙂

As you mentioned, it is true the Church reduced the fast to one hour so that people who would otherwise be in a condition to receive would not have to refrain just because their schedule doesn’t allow a three-hour fast. However, I like to think of the one-hour fast as a minimum but with a longer fast recommended which would be in accord with the true nature of fasting.

Maria
 
I fast as much as I can but I accept the determination of the Church as to what the fast minimum is, and I don’t ‘scrupulously’ indulge in a fantasy notion that I must exceed the Church’s requirement. The Church leads us to Heaven, and doesn’t mis-lead us. If she says that we must fast one hour, this is because she knows our needs. Period. Many people would be prevented from communion if they were required to fast from midnight or for three hours. Think of commuters: are they supposed to eat breakfast at work? Or have lunch at 9:30am so they can receive Our Lord at noon Mass?

Holy Mother Church knows best. The role of the fast is to prepare us for Our Lord. It is not to protect Our Lord from us. Traditionalists love to rail against the one-hour fast, but the fact is, that time frame fits the modern day. The Church is not indifferent to the conditions in which the faithful live.
The bolded portion of your post may be true, but have you ever stopped to ask the question of whether the modern day fits the Church? When setting disciplines the Church has to keep in mind a very wide range of souls, but in this instance it seems we can focus on the extremes, since you seem to be thinking only of daily communicants, a class of people generally devoted to strong spiritual striving, and the traditionalist critique focuses on those who will only ever rise to what is required of them, the class of people who want to do the bare minimum and the reason the Church has to set bare minimums (if we weren’t all fallen, and thus all to some extent averse to spiritual effort and spiritual common sense, the Church wouldn’t need to write so much of this down or bind it through obedience).

You are worried about those who wish to approach the graces of the altar as much as possible, and it’s true that some might have to curb the frequency of their reception of the Eucharist if bound to a stricter fasting regimen. While I accept that grace is always a good, I still question whether the Church should tailor her discipline to a piety that has only emerged in the last 100 years or so and would challenge you as to whether a fasting regimen that somewhat curtailed reception but invested it with much greater intentionality could not make the experience more fruitful on the whole. Some of our greatest saints, moved by devotion to our Lord in the Eucharist, had to get special permission from their confessors to partake of His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity so much as weekly. It’s a tried and true spirituality, so I don’t think we can dismiss it out of hand.

Given, then, that I don’t think your focus on frequency carries as much weight as you do, I would also propose that the main reason traditionalists worry about the relaxation of the communion fast is not that they think the most devoted among us will be affected (the most devoted can, after all, add all the supererogatory discipline they please) but that the weakest of the brethren will be left behind. We sinners have to put in effort in order to be transformed by grace, and as you rightly pointed out, the fast is supposed to be preparing us. How much preparation has the weakest among us received if all that is expected of him is, basically, that he not snack in the car or, for the bulk of the fast, simply refrain from eating in the pew. How has that “fast” served the purpose you propose for it, and doesn’t it run the risk of doing us a disservice by fostering a familiarity with reception of the Eucharist not grounded in constant spiritual preparation for encounter with the Savior? I know I have personally required more preparation, which is why I have made the personal choice to try to exceed the minimum. I am weak enough to need more than the law forces me to take up.

(NB - I’ve already pointed out that I sometimes avail myself of the one-hour fast, so let it be known that I do not dispute the authority of the Church to set and change her disciplines, nor do I consider adherence to the minimum on any particular standard at any particular time to be an automatic sign of spiritual laziness.)
 
Clearly my experiences are generally different than many. Just a little comment here…

I don’t understand the concept of conforming the church practice to the world. We are to be a people set apart.

Modern people have more leisure time and more help around the home: dishwashers, microwave ovens, snowblowers, automotive vehicles, hair dryers. They typically find more time for entertainment, and have it piped directly into their home, just like their water.

Third world Catholics might not have these, but their life is no different than their grandparents and the older generations did well with longer fasts.

I understand and respect the right of the church to require a minimum one hour fast, but I really don’t understand the stated reasons for it.

As it is, in the eastern churches it is a case that people who have not properly prepared by fasting, prayer and recent confession will not commune. Lacking any one will knock you out of line, so to say. That discipline is not considered a bad thing, and it doesn’t necessarily mean you need to confess again next week. It means you would have to fast properly and pray again next week.

It can get tricky though. After I have fasted from the night before, confessed at Saturday evening vespers and said my prayers I have to keep focused. I have had discussions with friends about this, a major concern is that sometimes a girl will show up in church too provocatively dressed. That’s it, no communion for me today! Attitude is everything. 😉

:twocents:

Michael
 
Catholics should come to the table of the Lord daily, and should receive our Lord daily, unless they have separated themselves from the body of Christ by mortal sin. In the hectic times in which we live, obviously a fast more than one hour would prevent virtually all Catholics from doing this. An extensive fast borders on rigorism that is irrelevant and wasteful. The Lord doesn’t need to be protected from us. We need our Lord.
 
a major concern is that sometimes a girl will show up in church too provocatively dressed. That’s it, no communion for me today! Attitude is everything. 😉
If you did not intentionally will to have an illicit sexual pleasure, you are not guilty of anything in such a case. Your viewpoint here is scrupulous, and maybe even vain…
 
Catholics should come to the table of the Lord daily, and should receive our Lord daily, unless they have separated themselves from the body of Christ by mortal sin. In the hectic times in which we live, obviously a fast more than one hour would prevent virtually all Catholics from doing this. An extensive fast borders on rigorism that is irrelevant and wasteful. The Lord doesn’t need to be protected from us. We need our Lord.
It’s actually not that difficult to fast more than 1 hour prior to Communion. The Church doesn’t require us to, so no one has to, but, I really can’t see how it would “prevent virtually all Catholics” from receiving Communion. A little self discipline is a good thing.
 
If you did not intentionally will to have an illicit sexual pleasure, you are not guilty of anything in such a case. Your viewpoint here is scrupulous, and maybe even vain…
I disagree. I still have a responsibility to see everyone I worship with not so much as their street persona, but as an icon of Christ, I have to work at it. I am not considering myself a sinner in such a case, but not fully prepared for the Holy Eucharist.

There is a reason for dressing modestly in the Lord’s house. If being a cause of temptation is a problem in other public venues, how much moreso it is a problem within the church. I wish I had a dollar for every lumbar tattoo, tight britches or pierced navel I have seen in church.

Scrupulosity as a problem would manifest itself in multiple ways as an obsession. This is just a matter of discipline that needs to be learned, both on the part of the person selecting attire, and the person who may be inclined to take a look.

*Michael 🙂 *
 
It looks like the responses are winding down now, and it won’t be long before we can discuss the results. 👍

I wish more Eastern Catholics would respond, it would be nice to get a good sampling from that general grouping.

Michael
 
It’s actually not that difficult to fast more than 1 hour prior to Communion. The Church doesn’t require us to, so no one has to, but, I really can’t see how it would “prevent virtually all Catholics” from receiving Communion. A little self discipline is a good thing.
Suppose the fast requirement were two hours. If we take as the ‘deadline’ the moment of communion, and if we say that a Mass starting at 6:30 am will have a communion time of 6:50 am, then one would have to be finished eating at 4:50 am. A little self-discipline is a good thing, but not if it makes receiving Our Lord basically impossible. The sacrifice we must make is an interior one. The exterior one is to help us make the interior one.

Even a one-hour fast would require one to cease eating at 5:50am. It’s doable, but most people would probably find the morning a little easier to manage if they could eat through about 6:05 or even 6:15 depending on where they live.

A discipline that cuts us off from our Lord when we’ve done nothing wrong is an irrational discipline that needs to be re-thought.
 
Suppose the fast requirement were two hours. If we take as the ‘deadline’ the moment of communion, and if we say that a Mass starting at 6:30 am will have a communion time of 6:50 am, then one would have to be finished eating at 4:50 am. A little self-discipline is a good thing, but not if it makes receiving Our Lord basically impossible. The sacrifice we must make is an interior one. The exterior one is to help us make the interior one.

Even a one-hour fast would require one to cease eating at 5:50am. It’s doable, but most people would probably find the morning a little easier to manage if they could eat through about 6:05 or even 6:15 depending on where they live.

A discipline that cuts us off from our Lord when we’ve done nothing wrong is an irrational discipline that needs to be re-thought.
But I see such an easy solution. Barring a medical condition, just eat after Mass. It’s so simple.
 
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