Communion for divorced and remarried? Africa's bishops have other concerns, cardinal says [CNA]

[Rubia]

In your nasty interpretation of my posts, you have created a strawman to justify your condemnation of my very faith. Cheers. The fact is that I don’t ‘insinuate’ that the Catholic Church made up the rules or that it does not follow Jesus words on annulments. The Catholic Church interprets the scriptures in accordance with the gift given to the Church by Christ.

The annulments process as we know it is directly related to the sacramentality of marriage. Natural impediments to valid marriage like incest and civil impediments like age of consent or ethnic prohibitions can be acknowledged universally without faith. When Jesus said what God has joined, no man can separate… He made no exceptions regarding the new sacramental aspect of marriage. Those aspects came to light in the context of the Churchs administration of the sacrament of marriage. The Church (completely in keeping with the spirit) instituted the annulments process to deal with impediments to the sacrament of marriage.

The annulment is NOT an EXCEPTION to Jesus’ words “What God has put together let no man put asunder.” That is the lie you keep repeating. The annulment has NOTHING to do with that since it refers to what God has NOT put together.Yes you did and continue to insinuate that the church has made up something that takes away from Jesus or why did you bring up annulments? You think they dissolve unions that God has put together contrary to the Church’s teaching? Is the Church is lying when it teaches that annulments do NO SUCH THING? Why on earth do you think that an annulment is an exception to the indissolubility of marriage if you in fact believe the church?

When you stated "Let us be fools, but fools for him instead of clever humans who think Jesus could use an update on 21st century wisdom on marriage and sin." … you did not take into account that the Church has been guardian and interpreter of scripture from day one. Pope Francis is not a ‘fool’ for inviting re examination of this wound in the body since that is what the Church has always done in order to keep Truth at the forefront of the Catholic faith.

Nice try. No one has called the pope a fool, but if you think making up blatant falsehoods to perpetuate a false argument helps you, be my guest. Just don’t expect me not to point it out to you and everyone else.

 

[Rubia]

And notice, no answer towards the interpretation of Mathew that Jesus excluded from his teaching invalid marriages,which is exactly what Catholics call marriages that are annulled. Only an unsupported assertion that Jesus made no exceptions to marriage indissolubility (and neither does the church! per the Catechism) but that the church made these exceptions, annulments. Totally false. Annulments are statements that the marriage doesn’t exist. It is in no way, shape or form, an exception to Jesus’ law or a concession from it.

The annulments process as we know it is directly related to the sacramentality of marriage. Natural impediments to valid marriage like incest and civil impediments like age of consent or ethnic prohibitions can be acknowledged universally without faith. When Jesus said what God has joined, no man can separate… He made no exceptions regarding the new sacramental aspect of marriage. Those aspects came to light in the context of the Churchs administration of the sacrament of marriage.

Note the bold.

The Church (completely in keeping with the spirit) instituted the annulments process to deal with impediments to the sacrament of marriage.

The Church does not just keep to “the spirit” of Jesus’ teaching on marriage. She keeps to the LETTER as well. Perfectly.

The gist of the arguments made at the beginning of your posts to me was that since the church could and did create this “exception” and “concession” you claim exists in annulments despite Jesus making none (Falsely insinuating that the Catholic Church did something directly contradictory to the teaching of her lord: giving exceptions where he teaches absolutely) that the church can today go ahead and make up a new “exception” and “concession” based on “special powers” (that the Church denies having!) to call remarriage after divorce something other than what Christ called it: Adultery.

 

[LongingSoul]

Your complete lack of intellectual integrity is shocking to me. I regret addressing you and will never do so again.

 

[Rubia]

Your complete lack of intellectual integrity is shocking to me. I regret addressing you and will never do so again.

Feel free not to. I however will respond to any false teachings you may present in the name of the church and without a single quotation as authority. I have demonstrated every point I have made while you are yet to do that for any of your claims, especially that about calling the pope a fool.