Communion givers must hate me

[Walking_Home]

; I’m not denying that the Church has authority to allow communion in the hand

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You say – you don’t deny that the Church has the authority to allow communion in the hand – but by the way you continue to post – says you don’t give your assent to the Church allowing communion in the hand. So basically you give lip service – that the Church does have the authority.

 

[whichwaytogo47]

The hand is completely permissible. At our church, they have watchers to make sure people are not desecrating the Host. It took time but it was helpful at getting people, especially those who might have unworthily received it to respect it and to not take it.

We had chewed up Hosts or ones that were unchewed but had been in someone’s mouth in hymnals and so I don’t see a difference if they had received it on the tongue or on the hand. If someone’s going to take it unworthily and than have 2nd thoughts, it’s something that needs to be educated. It’s the sacrifice of the mass, he died on the cross for your sins, and thus you should respect God as he loved you even before you loved Him. The Holy See made the determination not some laypeople - the Ordinary Sunday Mass is more personal and allows people to receive the mass in their own language.

I go to a non-denominational Church as well. There the communion is simply a symbol. Two things: 1) the people respect the communion there and 2) you need to be a saved Christian to take it. As a Catholic, I don’t take it there because while it is a symbol of his body and blood, it’s not his actual body and blood on the cross or the holy sacrifice of the mass. It’s also not consecrated. I think most people desecrate the host because they don’t realize what they’re doing and their taking offense because they misunderstand what the Eucharist really means. Some Protestants don’t think its inclusive but its because it doesn’t mean the same thing.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

It’s Jesus Church, the default position was Jesus at the Last Supper. Through the centuries the spokesmessenger of Jesus - the Holy Spirit, our teacher Jesus gave us to guide us, has guided the Church , in this and many things.

 

[pianistclare]

I never said most hosts were dropped that way. I said MORE hosts are dropped due to falling off a tongue as opposed to receiving in the hand
That’s a fact. A Confimandi dropped it this way and the Archbishop made the student pick it up off the floor and consume it.
I’ve seen it happen loads of times.
And they are called Altar Servers, not Altar BOYS.

 

[Saxum]

You say – you don’t deny that the Church has the authority to allow communion in the hand – but by the way you continue to post – says you don’t give your assent to the Church allowing communion in the hand. So basically you give lip service – that the Church does have the authority.

I fully assent to the Church authority. I simply find it more reverent to receive on the tongue. My reasons for this opinion are the same reasons Pope Benedict banned communion in the hand in St. Peters.

Any Catholic is free to receive on the hand. I don’t dispute that or criticise anybody’s personal choice. I’m simply discussing the issue. It’s perfectly acceptable for me to hold these opinions and all of them can be backed up by reference to history and theology. Anybody who cares to can purchase books on this topic and do their own research. I decided to research it because I witnessed the theft of a host.

 

[Saxum]

And they are called Altar Servers, not Altar BOYS.

Only boys are permitted to serve the EF Mass according to the latest Vatican decision on the subject. The rubrics of 1962 are to be followed. Therefore, I accurately call them altar boys.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

pianistclare:

And they are called Altar Servers, not Altar BOYS.

Only boys are permitted to serve the EF Mass according to the latest Vatican decision on the subject. The rubrics of 1962 are to be followed. Therefore, I accurately call them altar boys.

Good grief. It’s the extraordinary form. Alter servers …and EM’s are an integral and fully licit part of the ORDINARY form. Now you’re just looking for trouble.

 

[Saxum]

Good grief. It’s the extraordinary form. Alter servers …and EM’s are an integral and fully licit part of the ORDINARY form. Now you’re just looking for trouble.

I often served alongside girls when I was a server at the OF Mass. I have absolutely no problem with girls serving the Altar. However, when it comes to the EF Mass, the Church has ruled that only boys may serve. It not looking for trouble; I’m just stating facts.

As a final point: I did not start this aspect of this conversation. Somebody criticised my use of the term ‘BOY’ and read something into it by misconstruing my meaning and intentions.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

Good grief. It’s the extraordinary form. Alter servers …and EM’s are an integral and fully licit part of the ORDINARY form. Now you’re just looking for trouble.

I often served alongside girls when I was a server at the OF Mass. I have absolutely no problem with girls serving the Altar. However, when it comes to the EF Mass, the Church has ruled that only boys may serve. It not looking for trouble; I’m just stating facts.

This thread is about the OF Mass. There was never a need to bring up the EF Mass.

 

[Saxum]

I wasn’t the first person to mention the EF Mass in this thread. It was first mentioned in post 16.

 

[2towers]

Most people here take communion in the hand, but I do on the tongue. I also sit in the part of the church where people line up for communion by the Priest. He never bats an eye. When I go to another church, say out of town, I have had no bad reactions.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

I wasn’t the first person to mention the EF Mass in this thread.

You were, and are, the only person to act like it is superior. And, while EF may have been mentioned (I didn’t catch it) it was in reference to how things were done, not to imply it was the right way. By denying alter SERVERS, you’re denying a part of the Church that’s completely accepted.

 

[Saxum]

By denying alter SERVERS, you’re denying a part of the Church that’s completely accepted.

Read my posts and I explicitly state that I have served with girls and have no problem with altar girls. I used the term altar boys in the EF because only boys are allowed to serve that Mass. EVIDENCE: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...girls-are-not-permitted-to-serve-at-old-mass/

EVIDENCE: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...doc_20110430_istr-universae-ecclesiae_en.html

1. With regard to the disciplinary norms connected to celebration, the ecclesiastical discipline contained in the Code of Canon Law of 1983 applies.
2. Furthermore, by virtue of its character of special law, within its own area, the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum derogates from those provisions of law, connected with the sacred Rites, promulgated from 1962 onwards and incompatible with the rubrics of the liturgical books in effect in 1962.

‘By virtue of its character of special law, within its own area,’ the Extraordinary Form derogates from the provision of law that granted permission for girls to serve the Altar. This proves that my statement in this thread is true!

You might not like my opinions but you can’t say that I haven’t backed them up with facts.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

By denying alter SERVERS, you’re denying a part of the Church that’s completely accepted.

This is my last post on this thread because I’m being accused of things I haven’t done. Read my posts and I explicitly state that I have served with girls and have no problem with altar girls. I used the term altar boys in the EF because only boys are allowed to serve that Mass.

The only person on this thread insisting on discussing EF is you. The rest of us are speaking about the OF. This entire thread is about the OF.

 

[Duesenberg]

…I go to a non-denominational church as well. There the communion is simply a symbol. Two things: 1) the people respect the communion there and 2) you need to be a saved Christian to take it. As a Catholic, I don’t take it there because while it is a symbol of his body and blood, it’s not his actual body and blood on the cross or the holy sacrifice of the Mass. It’s also not consecrated. I think most people desecrate the host because they don’t realize what they’re doing and their taking offense because they misunderstand what the Eucharist really means. Some Protestants don’t think its inclusive but its because it doesn’t mean the same thing.

Protestant communities are not targets for nefarious acts like the Catholic Church is. I believe that the great majority of Catholics have deep respect for the Blessed Sacrament. The notion of a “saved Christian” here on Earth is foreign to Catholicism and Orthodoxy. All of us are redeemed by the Blood of Jesus Christ. We won’t know whether our souls are saved for lost until our final judgements as we pass from this temporal life.

If they don’t know what the Blessed Sacrament means, then they have no business receiving the sacrament. Maybe the Church does need to be a bit clearer about that.

 

[Duesenberg]

Only boys are permitted to serve the EF Mass according to the latest Vatican decision on the subject. The rubrics of 1962 are to be followed. Therefore, I accurately call them altar boys.

Actually any male Catholic including adults may serve the EF Mass.

 

[Duesenberg]

Good grief. It’s the extraordinary form. Alter servers …and EM’s are an integral and fully licit part of the ORDINARY form. Now you’re just looking for trouble.

What do you mean by “integral part”? They’re certainly not required.

 

[whichwaytogo47]

Absolutely, the Eucharist is the predominant reason why I’m a Catholic. The Holy Sacrifice of the mass is something I could not imagine being without. I left the church from 18 to 25 (i.e. went to mass only a few times a year) and was thus a revert. Years later, when I met someone who wasn’t Catholic, it didn’t cause me to stray in my faith. It makes me appreciate it more. I don’t take my Catholic faith for granted. I was very lucky

I agree. I have only once abstained from Catholic communion and there are countless times where I was unsure whether I had committed a venial or mortal sin. There was one time where I was certain and unfortunately it took me 3-5 weeks to make it to the confessional and so I was finally able to take the Eucharist again which was such a huge blessing. My mortal sin was my deliberate attempt to make my fiance jealous.

 

[1Lord1Faith]

If they don’t know what the Blessed Sacrament means, then they have no business receiving the sacrament. Maybe the Church does need to be a bit clearer about that.

I’m sorry, but this part is nonsense. Kids are virtually clueless about the Eucharist.

And there are plenty of adults who, through no fault of their own, have little more than the same as a child’s understanding of the Eucharist.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

Good grief. It’s the extraordinary form. Alter servers …and EM’s are an integral and fully licit part of the ORDINARY form. Now you’re just looking for trouble.

What do you mean by “integral part”? They’re certainly not required.

Alter servers aren’t required strictly speaking. However, allowing girls to serve is a vital service to the priests who rely on them.