Communion in the hand...END IT!

[ProVobis]

You assumed Tweetymom was non Catholic and here she’s an EMC.

Then we’ll have to write her bishop about her condescending attitude.

 

[michaeldaniels]

You know…you are right and I was completely wrong…jeez…I can’t believe I actually started to believe that one had to believe what the Church teaches in order to be a practicing Catholic…which I thought was a prerequisite for receiving Communion…and especially to be an EMHC…I can’t believe I was so confused…I like this new view of Catholicism…no rules or restrictions…everyone can receive…lets party it up and have fun in the new American Catholic Church whoooooooo!!!

You assumed Tweetymom was non Catholic and here she’s an EMC.

 

[tweetymom]

I can’t speak for her husband…because I have never spoken to him…but in regards to her, she has clearly, time and time again stated she holds views in direct opposition to Catholic Theology, Tradition, Rome, and The Pope…and EXCUSE ME, If I have an issue without someone who holds heretical views touching The Most Blessed Sacrament and giving it to Catholics every weekend…to me that is a sacrilige and if that makes me a jerk or a rigid a-hole than so be it…this is an abomination.

And I can hear my detractors now…You are “judging” her…no I am not, Judgement is between the individual and God…however, when it comes to a clear and present abomination taking place IN MY CHURCH…furthermore, IN OUR CHURCH, then I have every right to speak out against it and get furious and there is something wrong if you don’t as well.

My husband agrees with me on some things. And you are free to speak about anything you want. Oh by the way, you are excused and God Bless you.

 

[CMatt25]

You know…you are right and I was completely wrong…jeez…I can’t believe I actually started to believe that one had to believe what the Church teaches in order to be a practicing Catholic…which I thought was a prerequisite for receiving Communion…and especially to be an EMHC…I can’t believe I was so confused…I like this new view of Catholicism…no rules or restrictions…everyone can receive…lets party it up and have fun in the new American Catholic Church whoooooooo!!!

You meant the old Catholic Church I think.

 

[tweetymom]

Not necessary, we can show you pictures of microscopic particles all over the place because of sloppy practices. And communion in the hand is about as sloppy as it gets.

Well my advice to you is do not take it that way.

 

[tweetymom]

You know…you are right and I was completely wrong…jeez…I can’t believe I actually started to believe that one had to believe what the Church teaches in order to be a practicing Catholic…which I thought was a prerequisite for receiving Communion…and especially to be an EMHC…I can’t believe I was so confused…I like this new view of Catholicism…no rules or restrictions…everyone can receive…lets party it up and have fun in the new American Catholic Church whoooooooo!!!

Invite me to theparty if you decide to have one. I love to praise the Lord always.

 

[Sir_Knight]

I can only give my own personal testimony which I know will upset some. I have never received Communion in the hand - always on the tongue since 1958 when I made my First Communion. I was an altar boy for several years before Vatican II and I can personally attest that I have seen with my own two eyes particles upon the paten which used to be placed under the necks of communicants. In my mother’s day, communicants placed their hands under the communion rail cloth as an extra line of defense.

CITH is an indult. The norm throughout most of Western European history (see Bishop Basil? I am making it clear that it is Western European history) was on the tongue. What was good enough for all the ancestors that I have been able to run down in my family’s genealogy is good enough for me.

Yes, you make a VERY valid point – if it was good enough for our ancestors, why isn’t it good enough for us?

From the Last Supper on, Holy Communion was, as the norm, continually given in the hand. So it was during the age of the martyrs. And it continued to be so during that golden age of the Fathers and of the liturgy after the peace of Constantine in 313 A.D. Proof of this can be found in a text of St. Cyril of Jerusalem’s fifth Mystagogic Catechesis (21f), which he preached to neophytes in 348 A.D., in which he counsels the faithful to “place your left hand as the throne of your right one, which is to receive the King [in Holy Communion]” (apudL’Osservatore Romano. English edition of June 14, 1973, p. 6).

So you, indeed, ask a very good question. If communion in the hand was good enough for the original followers, why isn’t it good enough now?

 

[michaeldaniels]

I’m sorry…I have to ask. Do you not feel the least bit hypocritical distributing The Most Blessed Sacrament to faithful, practicing Catholics who believe in everything The Church teaches and probably expect those handling and giving Communion to do the same…all the while you do not…you hold views in direct opposition to The Church. Does that not bother you at all? Is your conscience bankrupt?

My husband agrees with me on some things. And you are free to speak about anything you want. Oh by the way, you are excused and God Bless you.

 

[CMatt25]

Then we’ll have to write her bishop about her condescending attitude.

 

[tweetymom]

I’m sorry…I have to ask. Do you not feel the least bit hypocritical distributing The Most Blessed Sacrament to faithful, practicing Catholics who believe in everything The Church teaches and probably expect those handling and giving Communion to do the same…all the while you do not…you hold views in direct opposition to The Church. Does that not bother you at all? Is your conscience bankrupt?

No because I am not a hypocritical. I love Jesus and follow the Bible and if it ain’t in the Bible I do not do it.

 

[michaeldaniels]

That statement alone is contrary to our faith…I will most certainly be praying for you…and to everyone else out there…“they walk amongst us”…wolves in sheeps clothing.

Is it any wonder that we have a crisis in The Catholic Church when there are people in positions of importance such as EMHC who are not even practicing Catholics??? How widespread is this problem? How many members of the clergy are like this??? I am sorry, but this is very, very troubling to me. And the SSPX is the real enemy

Oh yeah…Tweety…put your money where your mouth is. EMHC’s are not found anywhere in the Bible, so therefore in order for you to be true to your word, you should cease being one. Sound good?

No because I am not a hypocritical. I love Jesus and follow the Bible and if it ain’t in the Bible I do not do it.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Unless it is infallibly defined, it is very well possible that it is wrong. Do you understand that? Do you understand that The Pope and all the men in the Magisterium are just that…MEN capable of error and even sinning. It is possible for them to be wrong in their judgement…it is also possible for them to be indifferent to an ongoing abuse, like I alluded to earlier…now if it is a matter of faith and morals or infallibly defined, I will not argue with it…but if it isn’t, we are not bound to follow it with blind obedience.

Please be so kind as to show me where it is “infallibly defined” that ONLY Communion on the Tongue is the way that we are to receive? Because unless it is infallibly defined, it is very well possible that it is wrong. Do you understand that? Do you understand that The Pope and all the men in the Magisterium are just that…MEN capable of error and even sinning. It is possible for them to be wrong in their judgement.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Just because the Church sanctions a practice does not mean that it is good.

Are you saying that the Church sanctions a practices that are bad? Wouldn’t that mean that Jesus lied to us when He promised that the Gates of Hell would not over-run His Church? And if Christ lied about that, how can we trust any of His other teachings?

 

[CMatt25]

That statement alone is contrary to our faith…I will most certainly be praying for you…and to everyone else out there…“they walk amongst us”…wolves in sheeps clothing.

Is it any wonder that we have a crisis in The Catholic Church when there are people in positions of importance such as EMHC who are not even practicing Catholics??? How widespread is this problem? How many members of the clergy are like this??? I am sorry, but this is very, very troubling to me. And the SSPX is the real enemy

Oh yeah…Tweety…put your money where your mouth is. EMHC’s are not found anywhere in the Bible, so therefore in order for you to be true to your word, you should cease being one. Sound good?

Funny how we differ on the crisis. Oh well. Good night.

 

[CMatt25]

Are you saying that the Church sanctions a practices that are bad? Wouldn’t that mean that Jesus lied to us when He promised that the Gates of Hell would not over-run His Church? And if Christ lied about that, how can we trust any of His other teachings?

Maybe only if they think they’re bad. But oh no wait. They would have to call themselves Cafeteria Catholics then.

 

[michaeldaniels]

Sir Knight…I think your logic is wrong. There will be failures in the future within The Catholic Church…there have certainly been some failures in the past such as the Great Schism, Reformation, priest abuse scandal, etc…because His Church is still guided by fallible people, but when these things happen, it in no way means the gates of hell have prevailed and Christ lied…so yes, it is possible for the Church to sanction practices that throughout time will prove to be wrong…Joan of Arc for instance…one day they had her burning in hell as a heretic…now she is a canonized saint. Or look at something such as the words of Consecration that were improperly changed in the OF and now the new translation is reflecting the accurate translation…but none of that means the gates of hell have prevailed. Now if the Church was completely destroyed, the hierarchy was eliminated and there were no properly ordained Bishops left to keep apostolic succession going…THEN and ONLY THEN would the gates have prevailed.

Are you saying that the Church sanctions a practices that are bad? Wouldn’t that mean that Jesus lied to us when He promised that the Gates of Hell would not over-run His Church? And if Christ lied about that, how can we trust any of His other teachings?

 

[tweetymom]

That statement alone is contrary to our faith…I will most certainly be praying for you…and to everyone else out there…“they walk amongst us”…wolves in sheeps clothing.

Is it any wonder that we have a crisis in The Catholic Church when there are people in positions of importance such as EMHC who are not even practicing Catholics??? How widespread is this problem? How many members of the clergy are like this??? I am sorry, but this is very, very troubling to me. And the SSPX is the real enemy

Oh yeah…Tweety…put your money where your mouth is. EMHC’s are not found anywhere in the Bible, so therefore in order for you to be true to your word, you should cease being one. Sound good?

Ok my money is where my mouth is the disciples gave communiou, and we are all disciples.

 

[ProVobis]

Are you saying that the Church sanctions a practices that are bad? Wouldn’t that mean that Jesus lied to us when He promised that the Gates of Hell would not over-run His Church?

Fortunately the Gates of Hell have only over-run those who think they are better than Christ’s Church.

 

[michaeldaniels]

Ha ha…you are hilarious, almost as funny as heretics distributing Holy Communion

Maybe only if they think they’re bad. But oh no wait. They would have to call themselves Cafeteria Catholics then.

 

[michaeldaniels]

Sorry…not going to work Tweety…yes we are all disciples, BUT WE ARE NOT ALL APOSTLES. Apostles=Bishops Disciples=laypeople

Do the math…now are you prepared to give up your position since it is unbiblical?

Ok my money is where my mouth is the disciples gave communiou, and we are all disciples.