Communion on the tongue while kneeling

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Well, thank you for that Like.šŸ˜Š
No Problem! And Iā€™m sorry if I offended in our back 'n forth debate. I think most of it was a misunderstanding on both our parts. Iā€™m a traditionalist at heart & really miss the TLM. Because I donā€™t have the access to the old Mass, Iā€™m forced to attend the NO (forced is a bad word) & at least here, I donā€™t see the problems as you folks on the Mainland. Also, when hardcore Trads start tearing down the NO, I felt the need to stick up Holy Mother Church. OK?

God Bless
 
We have found old, dried up Hosts tucked into the cushions of pews and in the missal holders attached to the pews on more than one occasion in our parish church.
That makes me physically ill just to think about šŸ˜¦
 
labernadette, I certainly understand ā€œoops.ā€ I do it all the time, especially online.

Not sure what to say to your query about ā€œnot belonging here.ā€

Weā€™re all guests of this wonderful Forum sponsored for free by Catholic Answers. I donā€™t think itā€™s polite to criticize our hosts. Of course, thatā€™s just my opinion and my ā€œmanners.ā€

If you truly think that Jimmy Akin is someone quite objectionable, maybe you shouldnā€™t be hanging around his house.

Of course, I donā€™t think he has any objections to having critics, so hopefully youā€™ll feel comfortable sticking around the Forums and sharing your opinions.

Iā€™m not posting this to be mean or unfriendly. Iā€™m just suggesting that you remain true to your convictions to avoid inner turmoil. Iā€™ve left several Protestant forums because I didnā€™t agree with those who sponsored them.
I am not sure what it is you mean to say. As to myself, I am a traditional Roman Catholic with my eyes always turned towards Eternal Rome. Having said thatā€¦the church is in grave crisis today, whether or not people wish to acknowledge it. The problems begin with modernism, ecumenism, and the conciliar church and their ā€œbabyā€ the novus ordo, and the errors of Vatican II. And I am not tellling YOU these things to be mean or unfriendly, I am merely stating the truth. As to inner turmoil, I have none. I have found tradition and it is where I will remain. The traditional doctrine of the Catholic Church, the traditional Mass of the Catholic Church, the Mass of all ages, of all the popes, bishops, priests, saints and doctors of the church for two thousand years. I donā€™t mind staying around at all, as long as I am welcome.
 
Sorry it didnā€™t come across, labernadette.

What I mean to say is, Are you willing to stay on a Forum where Jimmy Akin, someone whose teachings you object to, is the host?

If so, welcome.

I disagree with much of what you say about the Catholic Church ā€œcrisis.ā€ Oh, well. Thatā€™s what Forums are for.
 
No Problem! And Iā€™m sorry if I offended in our back 'n forth debate. I think most of it was a misunderstanding on both our parts. Iā€™m a traditionalist at heart & really miss the TLM. Because I donā€™t have the access to the old Mass, Iā€™m forced to attend the NO (forced is a bad word) & at least here, I donā€™t see the problems as you folks on the Mainland. Also, when hardcore Trads start tearing down the NO, I felt the need to stick up Holy Mother Church. OK?

God Bless
That is fine Like. I am sorry also, and I understand your position. This is not a strictly traditional forum of hardcore Trads, and I will keep this in mind.
 
Sorry it didnā€™t come across, labernadette.

What I mean to say is, Are you willing to stay on a Forum where Jimmy Akin, someone whose teachings you object to, is the host?

If so, welcome.

I disagree with much of what you say about the Catholic Church ā€œcrisis.ā€ Oh, well. Thatā€™s what Forums are for.
Yes, I am willing. I am strong in my convictions and do enjoy cordial debate. Sometimes it gets heated, but as you say, that is what forums are for! Thanks for your concern.
 

You are expressing low Christologyā€”Jesus our friend, our buddy.

We are a Church of high Christologyā€“Our Lord Jesus, our God and our savior.
I was thinking about this - I donā€™t think youā€™ve defined these right.

If low Christology is rejecting Christā€™s Godhood and high Christology is rejecting his humanity, then we are a church of middle Christology, for we accept both his humanity and his divinity.

As for the rest of this thread, I donā€™t think Iā€™ll be participating in this debate anymore. I pray that youā€™ll remain faithful to the Church in this time of crisis.
 
I was thinking about this - I donā€™t think youā€™ve defined these right.

If low Christology is rejecting Christā€™s Godhood and high Christology is rejecting his humanity, then we are a church of middle Christology, for we accept both his humanity and his divinity.
As for the rest of this thread, I donā€™t think Iā€™ll be participating in this debate anymore. I pray that youā€™ll remain faithful to the Church in this time of crisis.

Actually no----there is no ā€œmiddle Christologyā€ā€”except for those who make it upā€”to fit their needs.
 

Actually no----there is no ā€œmiddle Christologyā€ā€”except for those who make it upā€”to fit their needs.
Then what are we? I know there is no term ā€œmiddle Christologyā€ - but we are both high and low by the definitions given above. Catholics recognize that Jesus was both human and divine.
 
Then what are we? I know there is no term ā€œmiddle Christologyā€ - but we are both high and low by the definitions given above. Catholics recognize that Jesus was both human and divine.

Yesā€“our Lord --when He walked the earth --was both human and divine.

Weā€“should always acknowledge Him as our God, the Second Person of the Trinity, our saviorā€”not as our buddy, our pal.

He is our Lord Jesus Christā€”High Christology.

Not just Jesusā€“as we acknowledge an ordinary personā€”Low Christology.
 

There have been more threads like the following .When CA crashed last year a lot of data was lost.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=123749&highlight=pews

Quote=az 4 faith
The EHMC should have stopped the old man as soon as he/she saw that he was walking away with the Host. The old man would have been asked to give the Host to the EMHC, who would have then eaten the Host or given the Host to the priest at the altar to consume. EMHCā€™s are supposed to be trained to react immediately to those situations.

If the EMHC did not notice what had happened, and you did, then it would have been your responsibility to take note of the situation and ask the old man as soon as you could (discreetly) to surrender the Host or eat the Host. Under no circumstances should the old man have been allowed to leave the Church with the unconsumed Host.

I was never in favor of mandating that Holy Communion be placed on the tongue until I became an EHMC and saw how many times these kinds of situations happen and how they could be altogether avoided by placing the Host on the tongue instead of in the hand.

We have found old, dried up Hosts tucked into the cushions of pews and in the missal holders attached to the pews on more than one occasion in our parish church.
A quote from this thread
ā€œWhen a discarded Host is found in a clean condition, it should be immediately consumed. If it is soiled or has been stuck beneath the seat with saliva (I know of such cases), it should be immediately placed in a vessel of water that is then kept in a secure place such as the safe place for sacred vessels. After some days the contents of this vessel are poured down the sacrarium.ā€
(Peter Elliott, Liturgical Question Box, Ignatius Press, 1998, ISBN 0-89870-677-7, pages 139-140).
If the host was stuck to the seat with saliva - that would imply it was placed in the mouth at some pointā€¦ It would then seem that Jesus isnā€™t completely safe even when communion is given on the tongue. šŸ˜¦

The most scandalous thing Iā€™ve done is take communion in the state of mortal sin. Even though it wasnā€™t a mortal sin for me to do so, because I wasnā€™t properly catechized and didnā€™t have full knowledge, it was still a sacrilege. Perhaps what is needed is not stricter communion rules, which canā€™t prevent someone from taking communion unworthily, but good strong catechises and homilies which enforce the sacredness of the blessed sacrament.
 

Yesā€“our Lord --when He walked the earth --was both human and divine.

Weā€“should always acknowledge Him as our God, the Second Person of the Trinity, our saviorā€”not as our buddy, our pal.

He is our Lord Jesus Christā€”High Christology.

Not just Jesusā€“as we acknowledge an ordinary personā€”Low Christology.
I do recognize that Jesus was our Lord, but I also recognize that he became man and died for us. I got the impression that high Christology didnā€™t allow for his being a man who walked the earth and went among sinners.
 
A quote from this thread

If the host was stuck to the seat with saliva - that would imply it was placed in the mouth at some pointā€¦ It would then seem that Jesus isnā€™t completely safe even when communion is given on the tongue. šŸ˜¦

The most scandalous thing Iā€™ve done is take communion in the state of mortal sin. Even though it wasnā€™t a mortal sin for me to do so, because I wasnā€™t properly catechized and didnā€™t have full knowledge, it was still a sacrilege. Perhaps what is needed is not stricter communion rules, which canā€™t prevent someone from taking communion unworthily, but good strong catechises and homilies which enforce the sacredness of the blessed sacrament.

Our Lord may not be 100% safeā€“with communion on the tongueā€”but why add ā€“ insult to injuryā€” by the increase of deplorable acts that happen with communion in the hand.
 

Our Lord may not be 100% safeā€“with communion on the tongueā€”but why add ā€“ insult to injuryā€” by the increase of deplorable acts that happen with communion in the hand.
As I said before, the most deplorable thing Iā€™ve done is take communion unworthily. I donā€™t even remember how I took it.

Either way, Iā€™ll keep you in my prayers, I must head to bed now.
 
As I said before, the most deplorable thing Iā€™ve done is take communion unworthily. I donā€™t even remember how I took it.

Either way, Iā€™ll keep you in my prayers, I must head to bed now.

I did not accuse you personally of doing a deplorable act. But for you and everyone who receives in the hand----our Lord does pay the price. It may not be by your hand,ā€”but out there, deplorable acts against our Lord do happen.
 
WOW! I canā€™t believe you stated this. I suggest you search CA for information on Catholic Culture! Iā€™d like to see you run this by Karl, Steve Ray, Jimmy Akin, ect,ect.
Iā€™m sure they read some of the comments here from us. And Iā€™m sure they read comments on other bulletin boards. Why do you suggest this? Donā€™t you have your own opinions? Or is this the way you were taught to restrict other opinions? What exactly is your motive anyway?
 
Iā€™m a traditionalist at heart & really miss the TLM. Because I donā€™t have the access to the old Mass, Iā€™m forced to attend the NO (forced is a bad word) & at least here, I donā€™t see the problems as you folks on the Mainland.
Didnā€™t you receive the list of Hawaiian TLM Masses from me in a PM?
 
JP II DID NOT change canon law to allow non-Catholics to receive Holy Communion!
And you can judge Bill Clinton all you want. I was referring to judging JP II.
Ioannes Paulus PP. II
Ut unum sintOn commitment to Ecumenism

46. In this context, it is a source of joy to note that Catholic ministers are able, in certain particular cases, to administer the Sacraments of the Eucharist, Penance and Anointing of the Sick to Christians who are not in full communion with the Catholic Church but who greatly desire to receive these sacraments, freely request them and manifest the faith which the Catholic Church professes with regard to these sacraments. Conversely, in specific cases and in particular circumstances, Catholics too can request these same sacraments from ministers of Churches in which these sacraments are valid. The conditions for such reciprocal reception have been laid down in specific norms; for the sake of furthering ecumenism these norms must be respected.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25051995_ut-unum-sint_en.html

Code of Canon Law

Can. 844 Ā§1. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the **Christian faithful **alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic ministers alone, without prejudice to the prescripts of Ā§Ā§2, 3, and 4 of this canon, and ā‡’ can. 861, Ā§2.

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Ā§3.** Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist,** and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church if they seek such on their own accord and are properly disposed. This is also valid for members of other Churches which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition in regard to the sacraments as these Eastern Churches.

Ā§4. If the danger of death is present or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops, some other grave necessity urges it, Catholic ministers administer these same sacraments licitly also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord, provided that they manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments and are properly disposed.

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2T.HTM

On the inside of your Novus Ordo Mass booklet you will find directives that state that non-Catholics can receive communion after getting permission from the local Bishop

Here is a press conference given by Bill Clinton after he returned from Africa** where he received communion**

Q: Mike, a couple things ā€“ as you know, Cardinal Oā€™Connor had some very strong things to say yesterday about the Presidentā€™s taking of communion. In that light, I wanted to ask you three things. One, the Cardinal suggested that no one should take communion whoā€™s not in a state of grace. Did the President feel he was in a state of grace, one? Two, does he regret taking communion? And three, the White House suggested it had contact with officials at the church who thought it appropriate but the pastor has said he was not one of them. Can you give us some names of who said it was okay?

MCCURRY: My understanding when we were there, as I indicated on Friday, I think ā€“ Thursday last week ā€“ was that our team on the ground indicated that the **conference of bishops in South Africa had a more ecumenical view of the holy eucharist and had advised members of the traveling party it was appropriate for baptized Christians to share in communion. And the President acted on that guidance. **

Q: And on the other two points -

MCCURRY: And that includes the priest, and I thought also the bishop who officiated as well, is my understanding, but we can double check that.

Q: And in hindsight, does the President regret taking communion, and does he feel ā€“

MCCURRY: No, the President was happy to receive the invitation to participate and was glad that he did.

Q: But, Mike, she asked a serious question because what the Cardinal said was that if youā€™re in a state of grave sin, which seemed to be a reference to the President, that you ought not take communion.

MCCURRY: I think thatā€™s an argumentative question. I think that the President was pleased to receive the invitation from the bishop and thought it was appropriate and took communion.

canberra.usembassy.gov/hyper/1998/WF980406/epf101.htm

Photo of Clinton receiving Communion
traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A056rcClintonCommunion.htm
 
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