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I am for protecting kids #1 before some red tape rules by our religion allows pedophiles to roam unpunished. If that makes me a bad Catholic so be it,
For what its worth, this thread is probably more appropriately lodged elsewhere in this forum. I bring this up not to be overly administrative, but the subject matter is very serious and some contributors who might be able to speak very well on this subject (certainly better than I) may not be easily directed to the “Eastern Catholicism” sub-forum.

That said, that which has been posted here is very concerning on several levels.

With all due respect, no one wants to see kids harmed, especially in this way. I’m a father of two outstanding boys, and I could not even fathom how I might react if they were ever harmed in this way. But there is a right way to go about this. Ukrforever’s friend needs to be supported to have the courage to come forward and report the abuse. The fact that he has reached out to Ukrforever is an encouraging first step in his healing process. Support can and must come from many, including his friends and his own pastor (assuming he is still tied to the Church, and has not been driven away as a consequence of the abuse). The Catholic Church in the US has set up systems, in accord with agreements with civil authorities, to protect all once abuse is even alleged. Public disclosures are required, even at the accusatory stage.

However, to suggest that the sanctity of the confessional should be broken in this, or any other instance, is truly disturbing. We could write volumes on the potential consequences.

And as for the “red tape” characterization, by one professing to be Catholic “by the book - no exceptions”, here’s the book (Code of Canons):
§1. A confessor is prohibited completely from using knowledge acquired from confession to the detriment of the penitent even when any danger of revelation is excluded.
§2. A person who has been placed in authority cannot use in any manner for external governance the knowledge about sins which he has received in confession at any time.
I apologize, as I normally do not become this “directed” in posting on this forum in terms of responding to other posts. But to suggest we dissolve an entire sacrament of the Church for any reason is beyond belief. Justice is a two-way street. We do want to protect our children from all forms of harm. The abuses of this nature surfacing from the Church itself are a shame we all must bear and work to resolve. But how can we suggest this is the way to do it?

@ Ukrforever - I have read your posts on other threads, and do believe you are a pious individual who is trying to defend a friend, protect others from potential harm, and protect the sanctity of the sacraments. This much is clear from your OP. However painful it is for us to accept, we cannot stand in judgment of those who disgrace themselves and the Church by approaching the Holy Eucharist while being unworthy. Judgment is reserved to Christ alone. We must however do what is prudent to ensure earthly justice can be used to protect individuals and the Church from harm.

I hope we can continue this important dialogue by providing more insightful and charitable advice to Ukrforever.

In the meantime, we pray from this moment for his friend, our Church and those who may have been harmed by the same individual who are not yet known to us.

We know all to well that the victim count in such cases normally exceeds one. One simply has to turn on the news these days. Look what happened at Penn State University. Yes, it was a failure of individual conscience and institution (at least two, if not more) that contributed to this tragic situation, and more victims become known as time goes on. We can be appalled, or we can do something about it. But I don’t think we should be running to find Joe Paterno’s priest, suggesting he be compelled to testify in court as to what Joe Paterno may or may not have confessed. That is between him and God alone, and THAT is why the sacrament is so constructed. And Christ will judge accordingly …

For these reason, we must help this wounded soul, and use the means at our disposal to do so, including the mechanisms set up by the Church and civil authorities for these cases.
 
You obviously do not know your faith.
The seal of the confessional is absolute. The priest can never, under any circumstances reveal anything confessed to him. However, the priest may make absolution of such a sin conditional on the perp turning himself into the authorities, just like making a thief repay what he/she stole.
This is not so. A penitent can not be required to do so for Absolution.
 
I don’t buy your argument.

We will agree to disagree, I feel the Catholic church needs to do everything it can to help kids being raped not hiding behind laws. Especially with the labels it has received in the past about kids and abuse.
I will agree to disagree only if you drop the “(by the book no exception)” from your religious affiliation as it is not true if you wish to stick to this belief.
 
So what happens if someone confesses to abuse, the priest reports him, and the person confessing it denies it? Certainly words spoken in a confessional are not legal proof of anything, but if people knew that confessing sins was not completely confidential, it could quickly clear out the confessionals. Besides this, there would be some who distrusted the priest because they would believe the person who confessed.

And as another poster asked, where do we draw the line? There are a lot of people that need protecting in the world, why just choose kids who are sexually abused? At least, as someone else had said, this way maybe a person would come forward in confession and be encouraged to go to the police himself.
I guess I would trust a Priest far more who reported a rape of child, you on the other hand would trust a priest more if he ignored explicit information of a rape . Go figure.
 
I guess I would trust a Priest far more who reported a rape of child, you on the other hand would trust a priest more if he ignored explicit information of a rape . Go figure.
Your own priest hears all your deepest darkest secrets in the confessional too you know. I suppose the fact that he doesn’t discuss them with anyone outside the confessional makes him untrustworthy? Do you think that he ignores your sins in any way simply because he rightly refuses to make them publicly known?

Have you never committed a sin that would cause problems if publicized - to the police, to your boss, to your family and friends? Would you dare confess such sins knowing that the priest could make them public?
 
You obviously do not know your faith.
The seal of the confessional is absolute. The priest can never, under any circumstances reveal anything confessed to him. However, the priest may make absolution of such a sin conditional on the perp turning himself into the authorities, just like making a thief repay what he/she stole.
no,the priest can not coerce a penitent into turning himself in.
 
You obviously do not know your faith.
The seal of the confessional is absolute. The priest can never, under any circumstances reveal anything confessed to him. However, the priest may make absolution of such a sin conditional on the perp turning himself into the authorities, just like making a thief repay what he/she stole.
no,the priest can not coerce a penitent into turning himself in.
 
Has the Priest reported to police this info if admitted during confession??
Can. 983 §1. The sacramental seal is inviolable; therefore it is absolutely forbidden for a confessor to betray in any way a penitent in words or in any manner and for any reason.
 
I think there is a lot of assuming here. We don’t know the ages of anyone. OP does not sound like a little boy. he/she sounds young.

Poster, I do think this is a terrible thing. Your friend needs to decide what is best for him to do. May I suggest you be the best friend you can be by listening and suggesting your friend talk to a professional. Many abused people turn on themselves. I know this is painful, but let your friend decide what to you, and support him all the way.

Now, if your friend is young perhaps you could tell your parents, and get guidance that way.

This is so hard, and I am sorry you and your friend have this to deal with.
 
I guess I would trust a Priest far more who reported a rape of child, you on the other hand would trust a priest more if he ignored explicit information of a rape . Go figure.
When are you going to remove “by the book, no exceptions” from your ‘religion’ description, now that you’ve made it clear that is not true?
 
I guess I would trust a Priest far more who reported a rape of child, you on the other hand would trust a priest more if he ignored explicit information of a rape . Go figure.
You would never see that Priest again, for breaking the Sacred Seal of the Confession, he would be hauled to Rome before you ever knew he had done it, most likely defrocked, ordered into monastic life, and excommunicated.

And rightly so, what the Priest hears in the Confession is between the Penitent and God. I much more trust a Priest that follows his vocation, and no matter how difficult the situation he faces is, the Laws that God has set out for him, this includes keeping the Seal of Confession sacred, just as Canon Law states.
 
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Thanks to those who offered help and prayer. This thread is now closed.
 
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