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You don’t have a church? Do you consider yourself a Christian?raumzeitmc2:
As for your questions a) and b), I have no response. I received only CCD as a youngster, never read either the Old or New Testaments with the exception of the Book of Job, which was a never-ending downer. At 18 I left the Church and have had no desire to go back. Does my church have any consecrated virgins? I have no church. I suppose that answer would be “no”.
Of course not! God will ultimately judge us all. But God also wants His Church to be one. Heresy and schism are diametrically opposed to unity. Listen to the saintly Augustine addressing his congregation:“‘And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.’ Matt. 19:29” So now should I understand that those who do have homes and families will not be entitled to everlasting life?
All the heresies, which you people also condemn of course, they all say, Jesus is Lord, And he’s not, of course, going to eliminate from the Kingdom of heaven those whom he finds to be in the Holy Spirit; and yet he did say, Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven (Mt 7:21). But: Nobody can say: Jesus is Lord, except in the Holy Spirit; nobody at all, evidently; but in the sense in which it was meant, that is in deeds.
Which is why the Lord went on to add, But the one who does the will of my Father, who is in heaven, that is the one who will enter the kingdom of heaven (Mt 7:21). The same apostle, you see, also says of some people, They claim to know the Lord, but deny it by their deeds (Ti 1:16). As it can be denied by deeds, so it can be said by deeds. In this manner of saying things, Nobody can say Jesus is Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.”
Sermon 269.So if you don’t accede to the unity, but continue to set yourselves apart, you will be worldly, not having the Spirit (Jude 19). If though, you accede under false pretenses, The Holy Spirit of discipline will put to flight false pretenses (Wisdom 1:5).
Sermons: 230-272B (Works of Saint Augustine, a Translation for the 21st Century: Part 3 - Sermons ISBN 1565480597
But where is the humility and obedience when one refuses to “hear the Church?”If your answer is “no”, then of what value is the consecrated virgin or eunuch if just any old soul can get into heaven if he lives a life of humility and obedience?
“And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it to the church:* but if he neglect to hear the church*, let him be to you as an heathen man and a publican.” Matt. 18:17
But certainly celibacy is not required for eternal life; but, contrary to the insane ravings of Luther, Calvin and all the rest of the so-called “reformers,” celibacy does indeed come most highly praised and recommended from the Creator and Redeemer Himself! That in and of itself ought to have been enough to silence those “apostles of the flesh” as Fr. Denifle so rightly terms them, along with their benighted followers.
And are you unaware that from the very beginning of the Church, there have been those set apart exclusively for the love and service of God, again, contrary to the teachings of the reformers? As a matter of fact, there was even an official “list” of celibate widows mentioned in the Bible.
St. Paul, writing to St. Timothy, says:
“Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.” 1 Tim. 5:9
The phrase, “taken into the number” (KJV) or, “put on the list” (NAS), is derived from a single Greek word,
"katalego."
This is our English word, "catalog!"
So you see, the Church, even from the beginning, had an official “catalog” of an “order of widows” who were to form an integral part of the New Testament Church! And from the seeds of this early “order of widows” (“proto-nuns” as Jimmy Akin calls them), {1} sprang all future orders of celibate nuns.
Needless to say, Protestants, despite their claiming to go by the Bible, never mention this important New Testament practice or its historic development. And this is how they show their “love” for the Word of God??!
But why follow his teachings rather than those of the great Doctors, Saints, Martyrs etc of both the Eastern and Western Church?As for Luther, well, nobody’s perfect.
- See Jimmy akin, “Doctrines of Demons,” This Rock, March 1994.