Companies Ban 'Christmas,' Not Worried About Backlash

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buffalo:
But they are being coerced - by political correctness.
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No, they’re not. They are being business people who want to attract customers of all faiths who celebrate some festival or feast or whatever at this time of the year. And that’s their prerogative–their right. It may not please you or me, but we can’t tell them they can’t do what they want to attract customers (within the bounds of the law). If you tell them you will boycott them for being ecumenical, then it will be YOU who will be attempting to coerce them. Can’t you see that?
 
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Della:
No, they’re not. They are being business people who want to attract customers of all faiths who celebrate some festival or feast or whatever at this time of the year. And that’s their prerogative–their right. It may not please you or me, but we can’t tell them they can’t do what they want to attract customers (within the bounds of the law). If you tell them you will boycott them for being ecumenical, then it will be YOU who will be attempting to coerce them. Can’t you see that?
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Are you expecting me to believe that for the last 50 years or so they were not attracting customers of all faiths?

If they weren’t attracting them then and are now, one has to ask why? Could it be the turning a Christian Holiday into a secular one? And only within the last few years.

Our answer can be to only Christmas shop at stores who offer Christmas gifts, not Happy Holiday gifts. Yes, I am attempting to coerce them back, for I have power, for I am the customer.
 
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wabrams:
Attack on as many fronts as you wish, but eventually people quit listening.
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You may and others may. However, if enough stop purchasing the retailers will indeed listen to the customer.
 
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buffalo:
You may and others may. However, if enough stop purchasing the retailers will indeed listen to the customer.
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I don’t think it will in this case. Most people understand the fact that this isn’t a matter of them persecuting Chrisitians, etc. This is just a case of appealling to different clients.
 
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wabrams:
I don’t think it will in this case. Most people understand the fact that this isn’t a matter of them persecuting Chrisitians, etc. This is just a case of appealling to different clients.
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That is what I said - a case of political correctness. They are more worried about the 20% than the 80%. Not really good business, unless you are convinced no one cares.
 
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buffalo:
That is what I said - a case of political correctness. They are more worried about the 20% than the 80%. Not really good business, unless you are convinced no one cares.
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So I should tell my Jewish clients Merry Christmas?
 
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wabrams:
So I should tell my Jewish clients Merry Christmas?
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I know that problem. I have it too. But, if you have a Merry Christmas sign in the window will they not shop if you have good products, prices and service? WIll they be offended?
 
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buffalo:
I know that problem. I have it too. But, if you have a Merry Christmas sign in the window will they not shop if you have good products, prices and service? WIll they be offended?
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Let me throw this back at you: if they have a Happy Hannakah, Happy Kuwanza or Happy Ramadan sign in the window, what would you do?
 
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wabrams:
Let me throw this back at you: if they have a Happy Hannakah, Happy Kuwanza or Happy Ramadan sign in the window, what would you do?
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Some do. And if I like their product, prices and service I will shop. If not I will not.
 
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Companies Ban ‘Christmas,’ Not Worried About Backlash

Several retailers have joined in the push to ban the use of “Christmas” in their in-store promotions and retail advertising. The new push to eliminate “Christmas” and replace it with “Happy Holidays,” “Season’s Greetings,” etc. is gaining ground with several retailers participating.

So far, this year’s list includes Kmart, Sears, Kohl’s, Home Depot, Lowe’s, Target, Costco, and Wal-Mart.
A Petition To Stop The Ban On The Use Of “Christmas” By Major Retailers

I am offended by the move to ban “Christmas” by major retailers. I care enough to take into consideration the actions of any company which bans “Christmas” when I do my shopping. If they don’t care if they offend me, there are other companies that do with whom I can do business.
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Im glad you made that thread, I want 1000 threads go up like it from now till Christmas. It is especially good to warn people before the ThanksGiving stampeed to the stores.

Its a sad day when many Cahtolics see this elimination of Christ as no big deal, when their future generations wont know what was lost. This is a serious issue, we are the ones buying, dont let them treat us that way and expect us to buy. The stores want to get rich during this season? fine, but dont give Christians the finger and expect us to buy.

Same thing goes with the Salvation Army being kicked out from the front of stores, thats clearly the stores giving the finger to all Christians, Protestant and Catholic. We cant sit around and keep buying at those stores, when Target started banning the bell ringers last year I didnt shop there at all.
 
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Im glad you made that thread, I want 1000 threads go up like it from now till Christmas. It is especially good to warn people before the ThanksGiving stampeed to the stores.

Its a sad day when many Cahtolics see this elimination of Christ as no big deal, when their future generations wont know what was lost. This is a serious issue, we are the ones buying, dont let them treat us that way and expect us to buy. The stores want to get rich during this season? fine, but dont give Christians the finger and expect us to buy.

Same thing goes with the Salvation Army being kicked out from the front of stores, thats clearly the stores giving the finger to all Christians, Protestant and Catholic. We cant sit around and keep buying at those stores, when Target started banning the bell ringers last year I didnt shop there at all.
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I can’t agree with the first 2 paragraphs. Using terms like Happy Holidays is hardly “giving Christians the finger.” They are merely trying to appeal to a broader customer base–nothing more sinister than that. Remember, all they care about is the money. Religion means nothing to their bottom line, except how they can use it for profit.

As for Target not letting the Salvation Army collect outside their stores, I’m with you there. I think it was stinky, too, since the money goes to aid all in need not just Christians, nor do they proselytize these people but just just try to make sure they have a hot meal, a gift or 2, and a pleasant time at Christmas. Yup, it was nothing but stinky.
 
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Della:
I can’t agree with the first 2 paragraphs. Using terms like Happy Holidays is hardly “giving Christians the finger.” They are merely trying to appeal to a broader customer base–nothing more sinister than that. Remember, all they care about is the money. Religion means nothing to their bottom line, except how they can use it for profit.

As for Target not letting the Salvation Army collect outside their stores, I’m with you there. I think it was stinky, too, since the money goes to aid all in need not just Christians, nor do they proselytize these people but just just try to make sure they have a hot meal, a gift or 2, and a pleasant time at Christmas. Yup, it was nothing but stinky.
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The Salvation Army was banned because of pressure from gay activists. PC and more PC.
 
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buffalo:
The Salvation Army was banned because of pressure from gay activists. PC and more PC.
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Target says not, and really, I have no good reason to not believe them. I think it a stinky decision on their part, as I wrote in my last post, and completely unnecessary. I know of no one who believes the SA isn’t doing a good work during the holiday season, not even gays. Accusations aren’t facts, and there are people who will make accusations based on nothing more than innuendo and wishful thinking.
 
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Della:
I can’t agree with the first 2 paragraphs. Using terms like Happy Holidays is hardly “giving Christians the finger.” They are merely trying to appeal to a broader customer base–nothing more sinister than that. Remember, all they care about is the money. Religion means nothing to their bottom line, except how they can use it for profit.

As for Target not letting the Salvation Army collect outside their stores, I’m with you there. I think it was stinky, too, since the money goes to aid all in need not just Christians, nor do they proselytize these people but just just try to make sure they have a hot meal, a gift or 2, and a pleasant time at Christmas. Yup, it was nothing but stinky.
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I don’t care what target base they are appealing to. Why is it that so many of you care absolutely nothing about tradition? Before we are thru with this mess, there will be nothing left. Guess we can’t say “Happy Easter” either. How about the 4th of July? How about local Christmas parades with Santa?
 
Okay, let’s get some facts straight first.

No one is saying anyone can’t say Merry Christmas or Happy Easter. (Walmart did, but backed off.) These companies are just saying they don’t want to use christian terms in their advertising. Frankly, I think it’s a whole lot more refreshing that the usual fake sentiment shown and certainly better than the bits of blasphemy done for the sake of commericalization.

Second, Target had always had a policy of not allowing any solicitors in front of their stores. Last year, they decided it wasn’t appropriate to make an exception for the Salvation Army. Why should they have to allow the Salvation Army? Are we saying that because it’s christian based - Target can’t tell them no?? And they did not cut ties with the SA, they still have a donation program with them (this year it helps Katrina victims) they just don’t have a kettle in front of the store.
Department store advertising is not a part of my holiday traditions and certainly not a required Catholic Traditions. I really don’t get that comment at all.
 
the obvious response by any Christian who is moved in the spirit of celebrating the birth of Christ to purchase gifts for friends and family is to shop only at stores that sell “Christmas gifts”. It would surly be pointless for such a person to shop at “holiday gift” stores or “generic greed-inducing gift” stores. As a thoughtful consumer he might well decide to inform a store of which he has been a loyal customer why he has reluctantly removed his patronage from a store that no longer sells what he needs, i.e. “Christmas gifts”.
 
It doesn’t particularly offend me but I find it rather *ironic *that they can’t acknowledge that they do the bulk of their business at Christmas. It just doesn’t make sense. They sell Christmas candy don’t they? And Christmas trees and paper and ornaments etc. I wonder if the Easter Bunny will soon be replaced with the Spring Chicken?

I guess my whole point is that it is all rather silly, IMO. It’s like there is a huge elephant in the living room (Christmas) and everyone is acting like it doesn’t exist.:whacky: I’m not going to boycott stores though.:nope:
 
I agree that it is a huge over reaction by secularists who can’t seem to forge an identity pro-anything just anti-Christian/Christmas.

Today at Sam’s Club I saw a flyer for holiday ornaments. They were old fashioned glass Santa ornaments. Does any other December holiday use ornaments, of Santa Claus? If no, then it is a Christmas ornament and if that offends someone THEY need to get a life.

Same with “holiday hams” in April. It is customary to serve ham at EASTER. No Muslim worth his salt would dare eat ham and even the most reformed Jew would not serve a ham at Passover so again what other holiday is associated with the ham in April?

I think the answer to all of this is to keep Christ in Christmas and keep Christmas between 5 pm on 12/24 through 1/6. Twelve days of great merry making should not be hard for any secularist to take. Have Christmas parties after 12/24, send Christmas cards on 12/24 and they will arrive on 12/26 and following. Do not light your tree until 12/24 and do not play Christmas music until then.

It may be a huge financial shock to the economy but we should give three simple gifts to family and close friends.

I find it very offensive though that public schools will teach all sorts of nonsense about MLK Jr. and the environment but you can’t even mention JC. Sorry but JC is the most important person in history whether one believes in the Trinity or not. The Christmas story at the elementary school age level is so benign and non-offensive it again bothers only one group of people: secularists whose only identity is that they are NOT Christian. Mind you it is not Orthodox Jews and Muslims out there bellyaching about all of this.

The vast majority of people in this country believe Jesus is divine. That is not a crime but a fact and accomodating that majority with a few greetings, sales and days off is NOT establishing a state religion.

It would be so interesting to see what these secularists thought if the Taliban took over. Do you think Will and Grace would be on tv? What would happen to the real life people like Will, Grace, Jack and Karen?
 
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