Comparative Religion and General Faith Discussion

[Techno2000]

The major religions yes most definitely because their influence is upon entire civilisations not just a group of people but They changed and directed the course of human history and gave birth to new eras.

Let’s start with Muhammad. No mention in the Bible? Islam has had a very major influence on humanity. Yet no mention by Christ or the bible that it is false? So with all the verses in the Bible all God had to add was ‘when a person named Muhammad appears don’t accept Him’ that’s all. Is God incapable of that?

Cannot God write one verse in the Bble - a man called Baha’u’llah will come reject Him?? The actual Word of God must name Baha’u’llah and Muhammad as false by name otherwise one is adding to the Bible something that is not therein.

I believe in Baha’u’llah and Muhammad. Please show me where the actual Word of God names Them as false prophets by their names.

So please show me which verse of the Bible condemns Muhammad by NAME. Bahaullah by name.

A large percent of humanity believes in these Manifestations that people say are false according to the Bible so the Bible must actually name them as false. Where? Buddha, Krishna all of them where are They named by name as false in the Holy Word of God???

If Jesus was to say the names of the false Prophet and false Christ then man would not have free will.

 

[worldcitizen]

Since the bible was written 2000 years ago we need to know all their birthdays and Locations too.

Bahaullah - “the Glory of God” - (Bible) Location - Elam (Bible) 1817 Actual name 'Baha’u’llah in old Arabic Bible.

Muhammad “Paraclete” (removed from Bible) Location - Paran (Bible) - a desert in Arabia 510 AD

The Bab - “Gate or Door” - (Bible) Location Elam (Bible) 1819 Actual name ‘Bab’ in old Arabic Bibles.

Zoroaster - the Magi Zoroastrian priests the three wise men who saved baby Jesus from being slaughtered by Herod. (Well known Bible story) They were from Persia. 6th century religion of Persia. Approx

Buddha “the enlightened one” Location Nepal around 560 BC

Krishna “Supreme personality of Godhead” Location India reported 3000 BCE

Christ is “anointed one” Bethlehem 4-6 BC

All approximate details but some of them are actually named in the Bible but only good things are said about them nothing naming them as false prophets by name.

 

[Techno2000]

Bahaullah - “the Glory of God” - (Bible) Location - Elam (Bible) 1817 Actual name 'Baha’u’llah in old Arabic Bible.

Muhammad “Paraclete” (removed from Bible) Location - Paran (Bible) - a desert in Arabia 510 AD

The Bab - “Gate or Door” - (Bible) Location Elam (Bible) 1819 Actual name ‘Bab’ in old Arabic Bibles.

Zoroaster - the Magi Zoroastrian priests the three wise men who saved baby Jesus from being slaughtered by Herod. (Well known Bible story) They were from Persia. 6th century religion of Persia. Approx

Buddha “the enlightened one” Location Nepal around 560 BC

Krishna “Supreme personality of Godhead” Location India reported 3000 BCE

Christ is “anointed one” Bethlehem 4-6 BC

All approximate details but some of them are actually named in the Bible but only good things are said about them nothing naming them as false prophets by name.

God has to let man have free will.

 

[worldcitizen]

If Jesus was to say the names of the false Prophet and false Christ then man would not have free will.

Jesus name is known all over the world yet the Jews reject Him so they do it from free will.

If the Word of God has not said something how can we just assume our opinion to overrule the Bible?

The Bible doesn’t say by name any of the Manifestations of God Baha’is believe in to be false prophets so on whose authority are we assuming they are false prophets unless the Bible literally names Them??

Where does the Bible name these Manifestations of God (Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, the Bab & Baha’u’llah) by name as false prophets?

If it names Them by name as false prophets then we can say they are false right? As the Bible is God’s Word. So where? This is your chance to prove to all Baha’is that their religion is false. The Word of God must alone by itself condemn Baha’u’llah and Muhammad and all the others by name.

 

[Techno2000]

Jesus name is known all over the world yet the Jews reject Him so they do it from free will.

If the Word of God has not said something how can we just assume our opinion to be fact?

The Bible doesn’t say by name any of the Manifestations of God Baha’is believe in to be false prophets so on whose authority are we assuming they are false prophets unless the Bible’s literally names Them??

Where does the Bible name these Manifestations of God (Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, the Bab & Baha’u’llah) by name as false prophets?

If it names Them by name as false prophets then we can say they are false right? As the Bible is God’s Word. So where? This is your chance to prove to all Baha’is that their religion is false. The Word of God must alone by itself condemn Baha’u’llah and Muhammad and all the others by name.

If God was to name the false Prophet then they wouldn’t have been free to act out their lives and would have been deprived of their free will.

 

[ericc]

Where in the Bible does Jesus Christ name by name that Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah were false prophets??

Obviously those who preach a different gospel. There is no need to name names. There is no necessity. False prophets are dime a dozen all saying different things.

 

[worldcitizen]

Obviously those who preach a different gospel. There is no need to name names. There is no necessity. False prophets are dime a dozen all saying different things.

So it doesn’t matter what the Word of God says? So it doesn’t matter if the Holy Bible doesn’t say They are false they are still false?? If not on the Bible’s authority then on whose authority are They false?

 

[MartinJordan]

Jesus name is known all over the world yet the Jews reject Him so they do it from free will.

Because he asked his Father to forgive them and they are still the Chosen people.

If the Word of God has not said something how can we just assume our opinion to overrule the Bible?

God said "This is my Son listen to him " After that the Gospel writers wrote what they heard.

The Bible doesn’t say by name any of the Manifestations of God Baha’is believe in to be false prophets so on whose authority are we assuming they are false prophets unless the Bible literally names Them??

Open any page. What do you hear?

Where does the Bible name these Manifestations of God (Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, the Bab & Baha’u’llah) by name as false prophets?

If it names Them by name as false prophets then we can say they are false right? As the Bible is God’s Word. So where? This is your chance to prove to all Baha’is that their religion is false. The Word of God must alone by itself condemn Baha’u’llah and Muhammad and all the others by name.

Making conditions. Why?

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

Exactly, so calling Him “King of Kings” is a reference to His majesty which appeals to human reason, right? God has majesty. That’s reasonable. But no, that’s not Gods essence, Gods essence is beyond human descriptions which appeal to human reason.

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You don’t want to admit you’ve made a mistake by claiming God cannot be King of Kings Lord of Lords.

MJ

 

[worldcitizen]

No conditions at all.

Simply asking where in the Bible does it name by name these Manifestations of God as false. (Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, Zoroaster, the Bab and Baha’u’llah)

 

[MartinJordan]

No conditions at all.

Simply asking where in the Bible does it name by name these Manifestations of God as false. (Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, Zoroaster, the Bab and Baha’u’llah)

Starting from your 19th century viewpoint is conditional.

Even a 17th century viewpoint by people claiming Baptism should be only done when someone can actually confess their faith is also conditional.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

You don’t want to admit you’ve made a mistake by claiming God cannot be King of Kings Lord of Lords.

MJ

The essence of God is above human language of praise and majesty, above reason and above comprehension.

You are welcome to believe what you like, but I’m not changing that sanctified standpoint.

 

[MartinJordan]

The essence of God is above human language of praise and majesty, above reason and above comprehension.

You are welcome to believe what you like, but I’m not changing that sanctified standpoint.

I’m just referring to how you made a claim now changing it to essence.

I suppose this also means you may not answer my Scripture question accurately.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

I’m just referring to how you made a claim now changing it to essence.

I suppose this also means you may not answer my Scripture question accurately.

MJ

Well the essence of God is the God I worship. What other God is there?

The attributes of God which ARE comprehensible, are not God. The King of Kings is an attribute of God referring to His attribute of majesty.
That’s not God…

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[worldcitizen]

Starting from your 19th century viewpoint is conditional.

Even a 17th century viewpoint by people claiming Baptism should be only done when someone can actually confess their faith is also conditional.

MJ

I did an electronic search of the Bible and none of these names show up. All I get is ‘no result’

There is no verse or passage or word in the Bible saying by name that any of these Manifestations are false prophets.

Without any authoritative confirmation by name in the Holy Book that They are false prophets the case that they are false prophets lacks legitimacy and is dismissed.

 

[Techno2000]

No conditions at all.

Simply asking where in the Bible does it name by name these Manifestations of God as false. (Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, Zoroaster, the Bab and Baha’u’llah)

Why doesn’t God give out the name of the Antichrist? Would people be trying to kill him when he was still a toddler? Would you want your name in the Bible while you were growing up saying you were a false prophet? How could parents name their children a name that was the name of a false prophet or why would they? There are million a implications and problems with what you said.

 

[worldcitizen]

Why doesn’t God give out the name of the Antichrist? Would people be trying to kill him when he was still a toddler? Would you want your name in the Bible while you were growing up saying you were a false prophet? How could parents name their children a name that was the name of a false prophet or why would they? There are million a implications and problems with what you said.

We need an authoritative, infallible decision by name on whether Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, Zoroaster, the Bab and Baha’u’llah are false, not conjecture or personal opinion.

The world collectively follows one of these Manifestations so we need to know by name what is the Bible’s judgement.

 

[ericc]

Ericc,

One of the proofs of a Manifestation of God is His Life and Teachings and how they directed the course of civilisation.

How does a single soul from amongst men, arise alone & singlehandedly to champion a cause of truth and establish His ascendancy over all the peoples of the world without the power of God and the Holy Spirit and all of this despite His followers being persecuted, oppressed and tortured?

The lives and influence and deeds of Beings like Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad Krishna, Zoroaster, the Bab and Baha’u’llah have had an effect on humanity no man could possible have had.

History is replete with examples of the influence these Beings have had on civilisation. Things like mathematics, science, astronomy, physics, chemistry and medicine alone. Not to mention the nation state. All these Manifestations had ‘Golden Ages’. Of inventions, sciences, arts, architecture. Just so much. Not to mention moral and spiritual guidance.

Baha’is say that nothing but the power of God achieved these things and all these Manifestations were just channels acting to do His Will.

As I said before, merely avoidance of difficult questions doesn’t get you much credibility. Again you go off in another direction, without giving the responses to my questions. Rest assure, I am not easily swayed by such tactics.

Your faith plagiarized other religions. Your faith make ridiculous claims of other faiths.

1.Your faith paints a god who doesn’t know whether he created the universe or whether the universe have always been eternal. If the universe has always been eternal, then the Abrahamic and Mosaic and even the much later Islamic manifestations would be a lie because this god told the Israelites/Arabs he created it. Is it acceptable for your god to lie? Or were they merely channels to do whatever he felt like doing at that time?

1. Your faith paints a god who at different manifestations say contradicting things. A god that can not make up his mind or worse, lies. In Abraham and Moses, he said your Lord is one. If you change sides, you break the covenant with Him. However in Krishna, it is ok. Just choose one that you like. Better still in Buddha, none is required. Then in Jesus and Mohammed, it is back to one god again. So which one is it? So which worshiper got lied to this time?
2. Your faith paints a Jesus who lied about his death and resurrection among other things.
3. Abraham and Moses never claimed to be manifestations of God. They knew their places. So you are guilty of putting words in their mouth. Putting a label on someone long after their demise so that they can not refute you is really a terrible tactic.

Perhaps you don’t even know the origins of your faith. How much of its history to you really know? How much of its history has been censored or altered? A prophecy that didn’t come true edited out of newer editions? Brothers usurping each other? Each successive heads abrogating the teachings of prior heads? Each successor claiming to be the latest and greatest and prohibiting future claimants or future changes to their teachings? Yet these are the very things they did to so-call previous manifestations.

Anyone who wanted to know this religion in detail ought to research deeply into its history. At first I was astonished. But on reflection, it is just human nature at play. Many just want to be top dog.

So if your god has a history of lying, why should anyone believe in what Bab, Bahaullah and successors have to say about their god? Convince me this god won’t resort to lying again. Then again, why should anyone takes that risk. Perhaps you might want to ask yourself why should YOU take that risk. Your salvation is at stake here. Only Jesus promises you that. And unlike others, he never lies.

I don’t blame you for not knowing your history well. (I am going to be presumptuous here). Because your history has been sanitized by management. But you owe it to yourself to research it and find out what the real historical truth is.

 

[Techno2000]

We need an authoritative, infallible decision by name on whether Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, Zoroaster, the Bab and Baha’u’llah are false, not conjecture or personal opinion.

The world collectively follows one of these Manifestations so we need to know by name what is the Bible’s judgement.

If God was to give say Muhammad’s Birthday, address and name out in the Bible he would have been condemned before he was even born.

 

[Servant19]

As I said before, merely avoidance of difficult questions doesn’t get you much credibility. Again you go off in another direction, without giving the responses to my questions. Rest assure, I am not easily swayed by such tactics.

Your faith plagiarized other religions. Your faith make ridiculous claims of other faiths.

1.Your faith paints a god who doesn’t know whether he created the universe or whether the universe have always been eternal. If the universe has always been eternal, then the Abrahamic and Mosaic and even the much later Islamic manifestations would be a lie because this god told the Israelites/Arabs he created it. Is it acceptable for your god to lie? Or were they merely channels to do whatever he felt like doing at that time?

Did Moses lie about the Sabbath?
Did God lie about circumcision for Paul to wish the knife would slip on those who wish to be circumcised?

1. Your faith paints a god who at different manifestations say contradicting things. A god that can not make up his mind or worse, lies. In Abraham and Moses, he said your Lord is one. If you change sides, you break the covenant with Him. However in Krishna, it is ok. Just choose one that you like. Better still in Buddha, none is required. Then in Jesus and Mohammed, it is back to one god again. So which one is it? So which worshiper got lied to this time?

Krishna taught monotheism. Please get your facts correct
Please prove to me that the Buddha never taught the existence of God.

It’s unfair to speak like this when every Jew on the planet thinks that God is one, not the lie that is the Trinity.

1. Your faith paints a Jesus who lied about his death and resurrection among other things.

There is no stepping back from the reality that the Baha’i Faith does not deny the possible physical resurrection of Christ, but this account in the Gospels CONTRADICTS everything written by the Apostles about the Resurrection.

I think the Baha’i Faith gives a complete and whole picture.

1. Abraham and Moses never claimed to be manifestations of God. They knew their places. So you are guilty of putting words in their mouth. Putting a label on someone long after their demise so that they can not refute you is really a terrible tactic.

John the Baptist NEVER claimed to be the return of the Prophet Elijah. Conveniently forgotten information.

Lot of talking here Eric from one side of your mouth while the other side is speaking other things…

Perhaps you don’t even know the origins of your faith. How much of its history to you really know? How much of its history has been censored or altered? A prophecy that didn’t come true edited out of newer editions? Brothers usurping each other? Each successive heads abrogating the teachings of prior heads? Each successor claiming to be the latest and greatest and prohibiting future claimants or future changes to their teachings? Yet these are the very things they did to so-call previous manifestations.

All unsubstantiated hogwash Eric…

Anyone who wanted to know this religion in detail ought to research deeply into its history. At first I was astonished. But on reflection, it is just human nature at play. Many just want to be top dog.

So if your god has a history of lying, why should anyone believe in what Bab, Bahaullah and successors have to say about their god? Convince me this god won’t resort to lying again. Then again, why should anyone takes that risk. Perhaps you might want to ask yourself why should YOU take that risk. Your salvation is at stake here. Only Jesus promises you that. And unlike others, he never lies.

I don’t blame you for not knowing your history well. (I am going to be presumptuous here). Because your history has been sanitized by management. But you owe it to yourself to research it and find out what the real historical truth is.

Simply put Eric, you are a visitor to Baha’i hate websites…how very Catholic of you

God bless you…

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