Comparative Religion and General Faith Discussion

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ericc said:
As I said before, merely avoidance of difficult questions doesn’t get you much credibility. Again you go off in another direction, without giving the responses to my questions. Rest assure, I am not easily swayed by such tactics.

Your faith plagiarized other religions. Your faith make ridiculous claims of other faiths.

1.Your faith paints a god who doesn’t know whether he created the universe or whether the universe have always been eternal. If the universe has always been eternal, then the Abrahamic and Mosaic and even the much later Islamic manifestations would be a lie because this god told the Israelites/Arabs he created it. Is it acceptable for your god to lie? Or were they merely channels to do whatever he felt like doing at that time?
  1. Your faith paints a god who at different manifestations say contradicting things. A god that can not make up his mind or worse, lies. In Abraham and Moses, he said your Lord is one. If you change sides, you break the covenant with Him. However in Krishna, it is ok. Just choose one that you like. Better still in Buddha, none is required. Then in Jesus and Mohammed, it is back to one god again. So which one is it? So which worshiper got lied to this time?
  2. Your faith paints a Jesus who lied about his death and resurrection among other things.
  3. Abraham and Moses never claimed to be manifestations of God. They knew their places. So you are guilty of putting words in their mouth. Putting a label on someone long after their demise so that they can not refute you is really a terrible tactic.
Perhaps you don’t even know the origins of your faith. How much of its history to you really know? How much of its history has been censored or altered? A prophecy that didn’t come true edited out of newer editions? Brothers usurping each other? Each successive heads abrogating the teachings of prior heads? Each successor claiming to be the latest and greatest and prohibiting future claimants or future changes to their teachings? Yet these are the very things they did to so-call previous manifestations.

Anyone who wanted to know this religion in detail ought to research deeply into its history. At first I was astonished. But on reflection, it is just human nature at play. Many just want to be top dog.

So if your god has a history of lying, why should anyone believe in what Bab, Bahaullah and successors have to say about their god? Convince me this god won’t resort to lying again. Then again, why should anyone takes that risk. Perhaps you might want to ask yourself why should YOU take that risk. Your salvation is at stake here. Only Jesus promises you that. And unlike others, he never lies.

I don’t blame you for not knowing your history well. (I am going to be presumptuous here). Because your history has been sanitized by management. But you owe it to yourself to research it and find out what the real historical truth is.
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They will say that all of these religions were perfect and from God , but man has distorted them, and the only way to know of their original purity is through Bahaism.
 
Servant19 said:
John the Baptist NEVER claimed to be the return of the Prophet Elijah. Conveniently forgotten information. 🤷

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You and Bahaism are completely twisting this scripture to make it fit into your theology.
 
Servant19 said:
Because “identity and personality” exist OUTSIDE the human body.

There is a lot you will discover after death Techno. Baha’u’llah’s “non-physical” SPIRITUAL Identity is shared with Jesus, just as John the Baptist’s identity was shared with Prophet Elijah…

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You are inventing a whole new class of human beings, people that have two souls in one human body :eek:
 
worldcitizen said:
Jesus said He would come like a thief in the night. And to watch and pray.

So Christians should be prepared for a thief style second coming as well and all Baha’is are saying is the ‘Thief’ came and went while you were asleep.

Will Jesus come in the sky or as a thief

Here is a PDF booklet asking just this question

theknowledgeofgod.com/books/Will_Jesus_Come_from_the_sky.pdf
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worldcitizen, Do you know the meaning of “parables”?

That booklet is Baha’i affiliate
 
worldcitizen said:
Just one question?? Maybe more than one.

Where in the Bible does Jesus Christ name by name that Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah were false prophets??

Or didn’t He know of Them??

If He knew, and I’m positive He did, I want a condemnation of each by name that they are false.

False prophets is not the same as naming Muhammad or Baha’u’llah by Name. Anyone can be accused of being a false prophet. Proof please that Jesus actually stated these names and not to follow them.

Otherwise if you don’t have an infallible source saying They are false.

Verses please not interpretations.
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worldcitizen, You failed to answer my question in message #169…
“How do you know Jesus knew of Buddha,Krishna? Wheres the Scripture Jesus mentioning them?”

But yet you ask the very same question in reverse. Is this typical Bahaism?
 
worldcitizen said:
Yes I know that. But it has always been maintained the above Manifestations were false Proohets so where does Jesus state this as He knew of them as He had all knowledge.

Where does He say Buddha is false? Buddha came 500 years before. Muhammad was soon to come yet nothing. No telling everyone that a Person named Muhammad would come and not to accept Him??

If Jesus said something exactly we must follow it but where exactly did He say it? So humanity won’t go astray Jesus must say specifically not to follow Muhammad The Bab and Baha’u’llah when They come. He would have known.
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Jesus mention that a false Christs will come…he didn’t say another true Christ will. Only saying his return …which is the Parousia. . I gave a link so you can have a look at what it means …if you choose to know the truth.
catholicapologetics.org/ap090500.htm

Baha’u’llah entrances into this world on November 12, 1817 in Tehran, Iran is a very far cry from what the Parousia is

And he’ll deceive many
 
JimmyDFG said:
Jesus mention that a false Christs will come…he didn’t say another true Christ will. Only saying his return …which isthe Parousia. . I gave a link so you can have a look at what it means …if you choose to know the truth.
catholicapologetics.org/ap090500.htm

Baha’u’llah entrances into this world on November 12, 1817 in Tehran, Iran is a very far cry from what the Parousia is

And he’ll deceive many
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Baha’u’llah meets none of the criteria of the retuning of Jesus …AT ALL !!!
 
Techno2000 said:
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Actually I considered this morning why this may be so, that people may be confused.

All the Holy books up to Muhammad were for Prophecy, their main purpose to prepare us for the day of God.

Thus the language is one of promise, hope and of telling of things to come.

All mankind’s prayers are for this promised Day of God where His Kingdom will on Earth be the same as in Heaven.

Thus one can see why the Language of The Messenger has changed. Baha’u’llah is the fulfillment, thus the Word is niw telling us “Here I Am”.

All that you pray for all you hope for is now Manifest. Really this is most Logical.

God bless and regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Actually I considered this morning why this may be so, that people may be confused.

All the Holy books up to Muhammad were for Prophecy, their main purpose to prepare us for the day of God.

Thus the language is one of promise, hope and of telling of things to come.

All mankind’s prayers are for this promised Day of God where His Kingdom will on Earth be the same as in Heaven.

Thus one can see why the Language of The Messenger has changed. Baha’u’llah is the fulfillment, thus the Word is niw telling us “Here I Am”.

All that you pray for all you hope for is now Manifest. Really this is most Logical.

God bless and regards Tony
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Baha’u’llah might be in the Babhle… but its not in the Bible.
 
ericc said:
As I said before, merely avoidance of difficult questions doesn’t get you much credibility. Again you go off in another direction, without giving the responses to my questions. Rest assure, I am not easily swayed by such tactics.

Your faith plagiarized other religions. Your faith make ridiculous claims of other faiths.

1.Your faith paints a god who doesn’t know whether he created the universe or whether the universe have always been eternal. If the universe has always been eternal, then the Abrahamic and Mosaic and even the much later Islamic manifestations would be a lie because this god told the Israelites/Arabs he created it. Is it acceptable for your god to lie? Or were they merely channels to do whatever he felt like doing at that time?
  1. Your faith paints a god who at different manifestations say contradicting things. A god that can not make up his mind or worse, lies. In Abraham and Moses, he said your Lord is one. If you change sides, you break the covenant with Him. However in Krishna, it is ok. Just choose one that you like. Better still in Buddha, none is required. Then in Jesus and Mohammed, it is back to one god again. So which one is it? So which worshiper got lied to this time?
  2. Your faith paints a Jesus who lied about his death and resurrection among other things.
  3. Abraham and Moses never claimed to be manifestations of God. They knew their places. So you are guilty of putting words in their mouth. Putting a label on someone long after their demise so that they can not refute you is really a terrible tactic.
Perhaps you don’t even know the origins of your faith. How much of its history to you really know? How much of its history has been censored or altered? A prophecy that didn’t come true edited out of newer editions? Brothers usurping each other? Each successive heads abrogating the teachings of prior heads? Each successor claiming to be the latest and greatest and prohibiting future claimants or future changes to their teachings? Yet these are the very things they did to so-call previous manifestations.

Anyone who wanted to know this religion in detail ought to research deeply into its history. At first I was astonished. But on reflection, it is just human nature at play. Many just want to be top dog.

So if your god has a history of lying, why should anyone believe in what Bab, Bahaullah and successors have to say about their god? Convince me this god won’t resort to lying again. Then again, why should anyone takes that risk. Perhaps you might want to ask yourself why should YOU take that risk. Your salvation is at stake here. Only Jesus promises you that. And unlike others, he never lies.

I don’t blame you for not knowing your history well. (I am going to be presumptuous here). Because your history has been sanitized by management. But you owe it to yourself to research it and find out what the real historical truth is.
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With regards to the resurrection. I said that we don’t believe in a bodily resurrection not that Jesus never died. He died but His physical body did not rise from the dead. Mount Tabor was a perfect example. It too was a vision.

As far as these Representatives of God you don’t agree with or say are false. Nowhere in the Bible are they mentioned by name as false.

Manifestation is just a term. We can use God’s Representatives if you don’t like the term Manifestation as it simply infers a Spokesperson of God that’s all.

The issues about prophecies etc. A prophecy that didn’t come true edited?? The Universal House of Justice answers this for you. In the top right hand are all the clarifications you seek. Of course it’s not a lie.

Did you also check what the other side says about this false accusation or do you just go with the side that claims a lie without first verifying with the Bahai response? Before a just judge condemns he must hear all sides. Apparently you have not heard what the House of Justice says yet already found us guilty. Here’s the link.

bahai-library.com/uhj_prophecy_daniel_esslemont
 
Techno2000 said:
Baha’u’llah might be in the Babhle… but its not in the Bible.
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The Name Baha’u’llah Is in both the Old and New Testament. When translated It means “The Glory of the Lord”, of “The Glory of God”. Many Many times in Many Many promises and Prophecies about the end of Days/Age/Time. This is applicable also to the Bab, which is Translated to “Gate”.

It is quite ok if you do not want to acknowledge this undeniable Fact.

Just remember this is Comparative Religion and degrading remarks about anthers Faith is against the Forum Rules.

That we see Christianity in a different light does not mean we do not Serve Jesus the Christ with all our Heart and Soul. In fact we serve Jesus the Christ over the entire face of this Planet. I would suggest more Fruits than you can poke a stick at!

Please consider the Forum rules and our dedication to Christ when you post these comments.

God bless all Catholics with Faith and Justice

You will always have nothing but Love from the Baha’i’s - Regards Tony
 
Techno2000 said:
Baha’u’llah meets none of the criteria of the retuning of Jesus …AT ALL !!!
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These signs have all been fulfilled.

“The time foreordained unto the peoples and kindreds of the earth is now come. The promises of God, as recorded in the holy Scriptures, have all been fulfilled. Out of Zion hath gone forth the Law of God, and Jerusalem, and the hills and land thereof, are filled with the glory of His Revelation. Happy is the man that pondereth in his heart that which hath been revealed in the Books of God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting.” (Gleanings X)
 
worldcitizen said:
These signs have all been fulfilled.

“The time foreordained unto the peoples and kindreds of the earth is now come. The promises of God, as recorded in the holy Scriptures, have all been fulfilled. Out of Zion hath gone forth the Law of God, and Jerusalem, and the hills and land thereof, are filled with the glory of His Revelation. Happy is the man that pondereth in his heart that which hath been revealed in the Books of God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting.” (Gleanings X)
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That is just so vague :rolleyes:
 
It’s amazing how many churches in the world are ‘dedicated to the Glory of God’.

Must be in the millions. Change that to Arabic and it would read dedicated to Baha’u’llah.

Sigh… So near and yet so far.
 
worldcitizen said:
It’s amazing how many churches in the world are ‘dedicated to the Glory of God’.

Must be in the millions. Change that to Arabic and it would read dedicated to Baha’u’llah.

Sigh… So near and yet so far.
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It can mean all kinds of things David, plus that’s not his real name that he was born with.

For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man.

1 Corinthians 11:7
 
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