Comparative Religion and General Faith Discussion

[MartinJordan]

Yes and the Noahide convert to Judaism and the Jewish convert to Christianity can’t both be right either, I agree.

That’s how progressive revelation works

You can work it out from there

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This coming from someone who doesn’t know the meaning of incomprehensible and unknowable.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

This coming from someone who doesn’t know the meaning of incomprehensible and unknowable.

MJ

That’s a bit harsh…but fair

I do know the difference but I have used the wrong word at times I do absolutely admit, my bad

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[JimmyDFG]

How on earth would I know if the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad is authentic teaching from Krishna??

We don’t have the truth about this religion. My source is as ridiculously unauthentic as your source.

Why would we use it as a means to prove another religion as false??

That’s what you believe Servant.
All the sources I’ve read tells a different story to what you said. Frankly Servant, I’ll believe what I have read at the sources …than believe the Baha’i twist

 

[Servant19]

That’s what you believe Servant.
All the sources I’ve read tells a different story to what you said. Frankly Servant, I’ll believe what I have read at the sources …than believe the Baha’i twist

Please give me one source that gives evidence that any Hindu Scripture is 100% authentic. And by that I mean that it was spoken by Krishna, with some form of mark of authentication.

Thanks

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[MartinJordan]

That’s a bit harsh…but fair

I do know the difference but I have used the wrong word at times I do absolutely admit, my bad

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Admitting this Servant I give you props.

However you will need to amend misinterpreting Catholic teaching in this matter. You if you need clarification let me know. I’ll point it out.

MJ

 

[JimmyDFG]

Please give me one source that gives evidence that any Hindu Scripture is 100% authentic. And by that I mean that it was spoken by Krishna, with some form of mark of authentication.

Thanks

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Servant, If you believe no 100% authentic teachings exists…why does Baha’u’llah believe Krishna even existed as a god? What’s Baha’u’llah claim to Krishna?
I can see the pattern linking up here

 

[Servant19]

Servant, If you believe no 100% authentic teachings exists…why does Baha’u’llah believe Krishna even existed as a god? What’s Baha’u’llah claim to Krishna?
I can see the pattern linking up here

Of course it’s not 100% unauthentic Jimmy, but which is authentic and which is non-authentic??

As we keep saying. It’s related to your lack of understanding of who exactly Baha’u’llah was.

Imagine Jesus stating that this is what Krishna taught, that is what Zoroaster taught etc etc, you would not be hesitating one beat.

This is the scenario we have with Baha’u’llah. The thing is that what Baha’u’llah states about Krishna has PLENTY of evidence in Hindu Scripture.

Yes, there may be some Hindu Scripture that may contradict it, we acknowledge this, but there is valid reasoning for explanation of those seeming contradictions.

One cannot use the teachings of a religious Figure from thousands of years ago as a means to claim the Baha’i Faith is false.

It really is a laughable argument, not scholarly at all.

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[IgnatianPhilo]

Servant I’ve brought up this point before and haven’t seen Bahai really engage with it. If with every time God reveals himself through a manifestation the disciples eventually fall into error, so much so that their beliefs in no way reflect what are authentic and true beliefs concerning spiritual things, will the bahai faith also fail?

What does God hope to accomplish in establishing these failing religions which only continue to divide humanity, the very antithesis of your own religion?

 

[Servant19]

Servant I’ve brought up this point before and haven’t seen Bahai really engage with it. If with every time God reveals himself through a manifestation the disciples eventually fall into error, so much so that their beliefs in no way reflect what are authentic and true beliefs concerning spiritual things, will the bahai faith also fail?

What does God hope to accomplish in establishing these failing religions which only continue to divide humanity, the very antithesis of your own religion?

It’s a good question Ignatius, and I think personally that all religions achieve their primary wider purpose.

Judaism achieved Commandments for personal connection with God
Christianity achieved atonement, redemption and forgiveness of sin and injected spirit into our connection with God
Islam achieved nation building

And the Baha’i Faith will reach a unification of humanity as a whole. The evidence of this happening just by the Spirit Baha’u’llah injected into the world is already evident.

Where the Baha’i Faith and all religions ultimately fail is the inability to control human free will.
With free will, as human beings we can always move away from God and on an individual level this can and will happen (this is my personal perspective) and as a result we will need again a renewed injection of Gods Providence.

How that falling away will affect society at large is difficult to predict.

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[IgnatianPhilo]

It’s a good question Ignatius, and I think personally that all religions achieve their primary wider purpose.

Judaism achieved Commandments for personal connection with God
Christianity achieved atonement, redemption and forgiveness of sin and injected spirit into our connection with God
Islam achieved nation building

And the Baha’i Faith will reach a unification of humanity as a whole. The evidence of this happening just by the Spirit Baha’u’llah injected into the world is already evident.

Where the Baha’i Faith and all religions ultimately fail is the inability to control human free will.
With free will, as human beings we can always move away from God and on an individual level this can and will happen (this is my personal perspective) and as a result we will need again a renewed injection of Gods Providence.

How that falling away will affect society at large is difficult to predict.

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If the bahai religion fails to unite the world within 1000 years, will that disprove Bahaism? If the world is just as divided now as I believe it will be (barring the return of Christ), would that be a defeater for Bahai?

I can agree with somewhat concerning Christianity and Judaism, though you present Judaism’s contribution wrongly. Islam wasn’t the first to establish a kingdom or Nation building, it was God through Abraham that called a people out and a Nation to him. That’s one of the focal points of the whole bible, God’s people Israel who are part of God’s nation or Kingdom. Jesus however goes on in a radical way to inaugurate the Kingdom to the entire world, hence God’s Kingdom is no longer just limited to Jews but now gentiles can have it as well.

How is Islamic government necessary in this scheme? It’s no better and in alot of respects far worse than ancient Christian empire rule. Doesn’t the rise of governments that tolerate different religious views In the Christian west go on to disprove your notion that Islamic government is somehow a good revelation? Islamic governments to this day embrace things Christians threw out without the need of revelation, slavery for instance or freedom of religion. You could point to flaws in Christian Europe or American governments but they don’t compete with the tragedy of Islamic government.

 

[worldcitizen]

1 Corinthians 4:5

Therefore, judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness…Corinthians 4:5

Every hidden thing hath been brought to light , by virtue of the Will of the Supreme Ordainer… (Baha’u’llah - Gleanings)

The wisdom of knowing which Words are literal and which ones are symbolic, is given to no one, however astute or learned.

Only Baha’u’llah has been able to reconcile the conflicting interpretations and bring unity between the conflicting creeds.

No one else can do this. The whole world and all the religions have conflicts between themselves and within themselves but Baha’u’llah’s Teachings are bringing peace, reconciliation and the Kingdom of God on earth.

Only Baha’u’llah has united people all over the world in the Bible. Christians have failed in 2,000 years to unite over the Bible. Or Muslims over Muhammad. Or Jews over Jesus. The Jews will one day accept Jesus through Bahaullas as He is the Uniter.

Only Baha’u’llah has succeeded in bring together the people of ‘other folds’ and unite them into one fold.

All the religions of the world are divided into sects arguing amongst themselves about who is right and who is wrong. Only Baha’u’llah’s Revelation reconciles the differences and brings harmony and peace to them as time passes. All eyes are slowly seeing the returned Christ. Many are still in the dark because they didn’t put enough oil (humility) into their lamps.

The Christians are divided into thousands of sects as are the Muskims, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists.Bahaullah is uniting them. Who else can lay claim to this power born of Almighty God.?

It’s because He’s the Promised One, the Father that He can unite the conflicting people’s of the earth. Nobody can lay claim to be able to do this. Nobody is able to do it except Baha’u’llah and the Baha’is.

Baha’u’llah has united into one Faith previously antagonistic and warring peoples who were once the wolf and the lamb to now be at peace like Muslims and Christians and Jews.

A unity Christianity could not achieve in 2,000 years nor Islam in 1300 years is being EASILY established by Baha’u’llah because He is the Father and all power is given to Him to establish the Kingdom of God on earth.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

World that’s a lot of claims without much justification.

Let’s focus on one claim, that Ali Nuri is actively uniting Jews, Christians, Muslims and suppose yourself. Demonstrate how Ali Nuri is directly doing this. Bahais and Christians certainty aren’t united, we deny each others faiths absolutely (those of us who haven’t surrendered our souls to interfaith movements which deny the importance of doctrine at any rate).

Is this a general claim or is it a universal claim that all Christians are being unified with other faiths directly because of Ali Nuri? Because I just don’t see it, certainty not within my Orthodox faith nor within those whom I would consider genuinely Christian.

 

[JimmyDFG]

1 Corinthians 4:5

Therefore, judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness…Corinthians 4:5

Every hidden thing hath been brought to light , by virtue of the Will of the Supreme Ordainer… (Baha’u’llah - Gleanings)

The wisdom of knowing which Words are literal and which ones are symbolic, is given to no one, however astute or learned.

Only Baha’u’llah has been able to reconcile the conflicting interpretations and bring unity between the conflicting creeds.

No one else can do this. The whole world and all the religions have conflicts between themselves and within themselves but Baha’u’llah’s Teachings are bringing peace, reconciliation and the Kingdom of God on earth.

Only Baha’u’llah has united people all over the world in the Bible. Christians have failed in 2,000 years to unite over the Bible. Or Muslims over Muhammad. Or Jews over Jesus. The Jews will one day accept Jesus through Bahaullas as He is the Uniter.

Only Baha’u’llah has succeeded in bring together the people of ‘other folds’ and unite them into one fold.

All the religions of the world are divided into sects arguing amongst themselves about who is right and who is wrong. Only Baha’u’llah’s Revelation reconciles the differences and brings harmony and peace to them as time passes. All eyes are slowly seeing the returned Christ. Many are still in the dark because they didn’t put enough oil (humility) into their lamps.

The Christians are divided into thousands of sects as are the Muskims, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists.Bahaullah is uniting them. Who else can lay claim to this power born of Almighty God.?

It’s because He’s the Promised One, the Father that He can unite the conflicting people’s of the earth. Nobody can lay claim to be able to do this. Nobody is able to do it except Baha’u’llah and the Baha’is.

Baha’u’llah has united into one Faith previously antagonistic and warring peoples who were once the wolf and the lamb to now be at peace like Muslims and Christians and Jews.

A unity Christianity could not achieve in 2,000 years nor Islam in 1300 years is being EASILY established by Baha’u’llah because He is the Father and all power is given to Him to establish the Kingdom of God on earth.

Could it be that Baha’u’llah has megalomania?

 

[Servant19]

Could it be that Baha’u’llah has megalomania?

There’s no megalomania when the Baha’i community is BEING and DOING these things.

I don’t care how small the numbers are. There is absolute unity between ALL Bahais and that is Truth.

This is truly the Kingdom being built, the new Jerusalem emerging as the old world is crumbling around it.

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[worldcitizen]

World that’s a lot of claims without much justification.

Let’s focus on one claim, that Ali Nuri is actively uniting Jews, Christians, Muslims and suppose yourself. Demonstrate how Ali Nuri is directly doing this. Bahais and Christians certainty aren’t united, we deny each others faiths absolutely (those of us who haven’t surrendered our souls to interfaith movements which deny the importance of doctrine at any rate).

Is this a general claim or is it a universal claim that all Christians are being unified with other faiths directly because of Ali Nuri? Because I just don’t see it, certainty not within my Orthodox faith nor within those whom I would consider genuinely Christian.

We are told by Baha’u’llah that all the people of the world will become believers and are gradually accepting Baha’u’llah.

The Bahai Faith is the only religion in the world that is successful at uniting religions and humanity.

Every person who becomes a Baha’i must accept the Manifestations, saviours, messiahs of all the other Faiths so a Jew on becoming a Baha’i accepts Jesus as well so Imagine all of Israel becoming Baha’is then the Jews would all have accepted Christ!!! And it will happen.

Christians, Muslims, Buddhist, Hindus etc have never been able to unite until Bahaullah appeared. Now they are uniting as one.

Baha’is are Christians too. We read the Bible in our Houses of Worship not for show but because we really truly sincerely believe in Jesus and the Bible. So we see you as brothers in Christ. Only our interpretations are different but that does not mean we are not brothers.

The Bahai Faith is like a beautiful garden. A place for peace and reconciliation and a place to put aside our differences and be as one. Just unconditional love and acceptance.

 

[Servant19]

World that’s a lot of claims without much justification.

Let’s focus on one claim, that Ali Nuri is actively uniting Jews, Christians, Muslims and suppose yourself. Demonstrate how Ali Nuri is directly doing this. Bahais and Christians certainty aren’t united, we deny each others faiths absolutely (those of us who haven’t surrendered our souls to interfaith movements which deny the importance of doctrine at any rate).

Is this a general claim or is it a universal claim that all Christians are being unified with other faiths directly because of Ali Nuri? Because I just don’t see it, certainty not within my Orthodox faith nor within those whom I would consider genuinely Christian.

No other religion teaches, and fully enables a Muslim, a Hindu and a Catholic and an Orthodox to feel they are in love with each other without having to let go of their love for their previous religions Founders.

That’s true unity…

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[Servant19]

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Now the above two posts is what we are talking about when we say UNITY

For 2000 years we’ve been praying for it, and when it hits us in the face like a lightening bolt, we are caught napping, and not WATCHING.

Rejection is soooooooo easy…

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[TonyBS]

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Now the above two posts is what we are talking about when we say UNITY

For 2000 years we’ve been praying for it, and when it hits us in the face like a lightening bolt, we are caught napping, and not WATCHING.

Rejection is soooooooo easy…

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Yes two wonderful posts about True Unity Servant and David. I love when the heart speaks.

I love it that our friends here also talk with motivation of heart in the Love of Christ.

The fast makes one contemplate our wrong decisions and how easy they are to make over what we know should be done. The power of our own self will always need forgiveness.

God bless all and regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

If the bahai religion fails to unite the world within 1000 years, will that disprove Bahaism? If the world is just as divided now as I believe it will be (barring the return of Christ), would that be a defeater for Bahai?

I can agree with somewhat concerning Christianity and Judaism, though you present Judaism’s contribution wrongly. Islam wasn’t the first to establish a kingdom or Nation building, it was God through Abraham that called a people out and a Nation to him. That’s one of the focal points of the whole bible, God’s people Israel who are part of God’s nation or Kingdom. Jesus however goes on in a radical way to inaugurate the Kingdom to the entire world, hence God’s Kingdom is no longer just limited to Jews but now gentiles can have it as well.

How is Islamic government necessary in this scheme? It’s no better and in alot of respects far worse than ancient Christian empire rule. Doesn’t the rise of governments that tolerate different religious views In the Christian west go on to disprove your notion that Islamic government is somehow a good revelation? Islamic governments to this day embrace things Christians threw out without the need of revelation, slavery for instance or freedom of religion. You could point to flaws in Christian Europe or American governments but they don’t compete with the tragedy of Islamic government.

The CENTRAL purpose of Judaism wasn’t nation building on a global scale.

Islam brought a Divinely ordained set of laws which were the foundation for the creation of nations globally.

Yes, these laws are outdated now, but they were very successful in bring Divine order at the time. Justice within a nation became a focus.

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[Servant19]

Yes two wonderful posts about True Unity Servant and David. I love when the heart speaks.

I love it that our friends here also talk with motivation of heart in the Love of Christ.

The fast makes one contemplate our wrong decisions and how easy they are to make over what we know should be done. The power of our own self will always need forgiveness.

God bless all and regards Tony

God bless YOU dear Tony

You are the saint of the Solomon Islands. Your selfless service and dedication to the local people there will be pleasing in the sight of God for eternity!

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