Comparative Religion and General Faith Discussion

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Techno2000 said:
You always have to come back to… Jesus and the Bible to try and make some sense… never Muhammad, never Krishna and never Buddha. :hmmm:
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You should see what I quote in their forums…

Not a Bible in sight!!

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Love you Joey. We share the glad tidings with all using ALL Holy Books for Baha’u’llah is in all of them…

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Techno2000 said:
What you think he would have said about Bahaism.😉
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Actually there is a tremendous commonality with Judaism.
Judaism and Islam have huge commonality, much more say than with Christianity.

It is only the Baha’i Faith has full commonality with all of them.

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Servant19 said:
You should see what I quote in their forums…

Not a Bible in sight!!

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Love you Joey. We share the glad tidings with all using ALL Holy Books for Baha’u’llah is in all of them…

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Love you too, but show us from their scriptures how Baha’u’llah and Bahaism… lines up and dovetails together in perfect harmony… without using the bible at all.
 
Servant19 said:
Actually there is a tremendous commonality with Judaism.
Judaism and Islam have huge commonality, much more say than with Christianity.

It is only the Baha’i Faith has full commonality with all of them.

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But you gloss over the fact that Krishna and Buddha have to be on that same page too.
 
Servant19 said:
Outside of what I have shared, I hope you can share what it is.

I’m confident that whatever you tell me it is, I will probably know, I’m just not sure what you’re looking for.

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You didn’t share anything that resembles what the Mass is. Except one line easily found on the internet …source and summit. That’s just on the surface. You could have started so easily with what you’ve heard during Mass and we can have some proper discussion. Instead you went into Transubstansiation. That is just a term used which again anyone can state, but not what the Mass means.

Don’t deviate again and show me what you know what we do in the Mass.

So what is the Mass? Or tell sincerely you don’t know.

MJ
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
Then Muslims come along and say to us the New Testament is corrupt, follow Muhammad and abandon everything in the New Testament for true religion. Then bahai come along and try to salvage the New Testament by forcing another narrative on to it.
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:yup::yup::yup:
 
MartinJordan said:
You didn’t share anything that resembles what the Mass is. Except one line easily found on the internet …source and summit. That’s just on the surface. You could have started so easily with what you’ve heard during Mass and we can have some proper discussion. Instead you went into Transubstansiation. That is just a term used which again anyone can state, but not what the Mass means.

Don’t deviate again and show me what you know what we do in the Mass.

So what is the Mass? Or tell sincerely you don’t know.

MJ
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Thank you Martin, but I will not participate in threatening dialogue.

I know what the Mass is, I could write plenty about it, just as I could write plenty about the Baha’i Faith and Islam, but I haven’t the time to entertain demands.

What I don’t know, is how much of my time is going to be wasted if I post a page of what I understand of the Mass only to be asked the question again, simply because it’s not what you were looking for.

So here’s a link that helped me understand the meaning of the Mass some time ago:

thepapalvisit.org.uk/The-Catholic-Faith/FAQ-on-Faith/1-10/What-is-a-Catholic-Mass

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IgnatianPhilo said:
There have plenty of verses brought up and once they are brought up Bahai don’t continue the conversation. For instance Jesus being God’s unique son, Monogenes, in the Greek of John and John’s lack of adding this necessary description to anyone but Jesus is one example of that. Why is Moses in Hebrews called a servant in God’s household, while Jesus is called a Son over God’s household? So I don’t agree that the Bahai interpretation fits naturally into the text of the New Testament. Its an alien interpretation which you have admitted when you said John only had what he had revealed to him and if the Bahai religion is true that is the reason for the error of Christianity today.

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My time is short, so I will address a paragraph at a time.

Yes Jesus is unique. He is Monogenes. The two fold station of the Manifestation of God needs to be considered here, Ignatius. The station of pure abstraction and essential unity, and the station of distinction.

The focus of John when he states Mongenes is that of the distinction and the Baha’i Faith affirms that Jesus was greater than Moses in the station of distinction.

So that’s that one cleared up.

Now in regards to servant and Son, we need to look at the two-fold NATURE of the Manifestation of God. The Divine nature, and the human nature.

Both Moses and Jesus were servants in their human nature. You’ve already pointed out the passage where Moses is a servant, but please look at Matt 20:28 “The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve…”
Luke 22:27 “I am among you as one who serves…”
Jesus, too, had a human nature, who was a servant of God.

On the other side we have the Divine Moses which is very scholarly looked at here. In fact the two-fold nature of Manifestations of God is well explained by the Jews:

jbq.jewishbible.org/assets/Uploads/303/303_chinitzM.pdf

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Techno2000 said:
****I read it… you are a baha’is, and will believe anything someone has twisted together to make it fit your religion.

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Jesus answered, “I am the way** and **the truth **and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:6
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This is the repetitive answer of people who have no response other than damnation for a locktight theological system of the Baha’i Faith.

There is no apologetic Joey other than to hope and pray (and that’s all it is) that Baha’u’llah was not the Father.

There is no recourse Joey 🙂

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ffg said:
So, Jesus’ effort **was not **successful specific to -

“Jesus came that humanity might be free. Free from wars, hatred and prejudice.”

because people did not listen and follow His ‘Love’ instruction.
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Did Jesus teach to love our enemies?
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Hi worldcitizen,

I did not see a response to this question, but no worries, this thread is smoking in speed. I probably won’t have much time today, so I figured I’d lay out where I was going…

Assuming you agreed that Jesus teaches to love our enemies, we run into our first problem considering the purpose of Jesus being -

“Jesus came that humanity might be free. Free from wars, hatred and prejudice.”

Regardless of who Jesus is, we both put stock in His words, so we have to reconcile the above purpose of Jesus with a teaching of -

‘Love your enemies’

Loving our enemies implies that we have them, thus how do we reconcile Jesus’ knowledge that we will have enemies with the above purpose?

Seems like Jesus knew there would always be “wars, hatred and prejudice.” (perhaps especially toward His followers, because what He was implementing was new / radical)

A re-evaluation of the purpose might be a worthwhile effort.

Take care,

Mike
 
Servant19 said:
Now in regards to servant and Son, we need to look at the two-fold NATURE of the Manifestation of God. The Divine nature, and the human nature.
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If we don’t believe that there is any such thing as a… “Manifestation of God”… how could we believe that it has a two-fold nature ?🤷
 
Servant19 said:
There is no apologetic Joey other than to hope and pray (and that’s all it is) that Baha’u’llah was not the Father.

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But you can’t even tell me exactly what Father Baha’u’llah means.🤷
 
Techno2000 said:
If we don’t believe that there is any such thing as a… “Manifestation of God”… how could we believe that it has a two-fold nature ?🤷
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You just focus on Jesus Joey, just keep looking at ONLY Him 🙂

He had a two-fold nature… :yup:

When the Son manifests, He manifests in His two-fold nature…

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Servant19 said:
There are a one in a million Joey, just like you, and for those special souls, we have a program called the Ruhi Institute. It is running in New Orleans, they will tell you everything about the meanings behind the Father’s Words:

nolabahais.org/Contact.html

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So they can twist everything together for me to make it fit Bahaism…no thanks.
 
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