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Techno2000
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Just what I thought Baha’is can’t even come up with one parable from Baha’u’llah … and this is where you get your wisdom from
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TonyBS
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This is the reply I expectedJust what I thought Baha’is can’t even come up with one parable from Baha’u’llah … and this is where you get your wisdom from
There is a world of knowledge in that passage.
Instead of what you said, look for what it says.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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This sounds nothing like something Jesus would say, yet this is the second coming of Jesus… sorry not buying it.
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Techno2000
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This is not the voice of Jesus…
My sheep** listen to my voice**; I know them, and they follow me.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because** they know his voice**.
"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me–
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eddie_too
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deleted original — because it was a duplication.
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eddie_too
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eternity cannot be created. that is a totally nonsensical concept.
so, what does it mean when a teacher says, “my eternity is my creation?”
so, what does it mean when a teacher says, “my eternity is my creation?”
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TonyBS
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Dear Techno2000 - This is the complexity of all parables and the Word of God.
I am not hear to convert, just here to show Love and there is many ways to think about God and Faith.
That Passage you have quoted do not exclude the Baha’i from being the sheep talked about. Though you do not believe this, You should consider this at all times.
This is no meant to convert you, it is meant to show that Humility in God and His Love is paramount to the "Full truth’.
If you have a gift be thankful for it, pray for others but never consider telling them they lack the “Full Truth”.
Now about Parables, this is from Baha’u’llah as to why you will not find them in His Writings and has been posted many times before;
“…Whatever proceeded from the tongue of the Son was revealed in parables, whilst He Who proclaimeth the Truth in this Day speaketh without them. Take heed lest thou cling to the cord of idle fancy and withhold thyself from that which hath been ordained in the Kingdom of God, the Almighty, the All-Bountiful. Should the inebriation of the wine of My verses seize thee, and thou determinest to present thyself before the throne of thy Lord, the Creator of earth and heaven, make My love thy vesture, and thy shield remembrance of Me, and thy provision reliance upon God, the Revealer of all power…” reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/SLH/slh-5.html
Regards Tony
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TonyBS
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I see that as the First and the Last, it is a very good question. Gives me thoughts to pursue.eternity cannot be created. that is a totally nonsensical concept.
so, what does it mean when a teacher says, “my eternity is my creation?”
Thank you Eddie.
Regards Tony
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eddie_too
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tony, it is probably a mis-translation of the original. may be it should read more like, “my immortality is my creation”. however, prefacing eternity or immortality with “my” does not lessen the difficulty in understanding it because everyone’s immortality is created, not just bahaullah’s. i will await your enlightenment on this one.
look at me, trying to make bahaullah more understandable. who woulda thunk it?
look at me, trying to make bahaullah more understandable. who woulda thunk it?
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TonyBS
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Ha Ha Eddie - God bless you alwaystony, it is probably a mis-translation of the original. may be it should read more like, “my immortality is my creation”. however, prefacing eternity or immortality with “my” does not lessen the difficulty in understanding it because everyone’s immortality is created, not just bahaullah’s. i will await your enlightenment on this one.
look at me, trying to make bahaullah more understandable. who woulda thunk it?
Never forget I love your Faith and Passion for it.
I think to move forward, that is all we have to do for each other.
Regards Tony
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worldcitizen
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Dear Eddie,
Christ’s Message of love is universal and eternal. All humanity need to learn love no matter which race, religion or nationality for some cultures which did not have much exposure to the Teachings of Jesus do not have as good an understanding of love and forgiveness as those which do.
Baha’is must learn from Jesus and His Teachings and life example. He is our Lord too. One of my favourite verses of the Bible and any scripture is …
1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
In family problems we would often use this most beautiful passage to insist that if they believed in God they had to calm down and be nice or they are betraying their own faith.
To me the Bible is much, much more than just token belief. We are always reminded in the Bahai Writings of the sacrifice of the disciples and to be like them. To be detached like them. So many examples of how Jesus and the disciples acted have been impressed upon the Baha’is. The story about the bad smelling dog and how Christ saw only it’s beautiful teeth. So we are told to only look at the good, again the life of Christ as an example.
So the Teachings of Jesus are a large part of how Baha’is should act and behave. The Faith of Baha’u’llah is NOT superior to the Faith of Jesus.
Now with Baha’u’llah He expands on a lot of spiritual teachings we have been taught but never replaces or usurps that which was taught by Jesus. So if I hurt you with my words almost instantly the teachings of Jesus says to me why did I hurt you and go and say sorry and ask forgiveness and be nice next time.
Abdul-Baha said not to offend others and that it were better to hide under the earth than offend a soul. So the parameters are clearly marked for us to have robust discussions ‘without hurting one another’ and if we do to instantly apologise and to do the right thing and rush to create peace again otherwise we have no right to call our selves lovers of God or humanity.
**if our contact results in friendship then heaven rejoices that love has spread as God is love and so is Jesus. Any sentiment not done from love is from Satan. God showed us love, unconditional love when He sent Jesus and so He hopes too that our love for all on earth will be unconditional too.
Now today, what is needed most is love between the religions and unconditional love for all on earth believer or not. Love comes first, so if I have hurt you in any manner I deeply apologise.**
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TonyBS
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Eddie - I found this explanation to which I thought it may be. this explanation really explains from a Baha’i view “My eternity is my creation?”tony, it is probably a mis-translation of the original. may be it should read more like, “my immortality is my creation”. however, prefacing eternity or immortality with “my” does not lessen the difficulty in understanding it because everyone’s immortality is created, not just bahaullah’s. i will await your enlightenment on this one.
look at me, trying to make bahaullah more understandable. who woulda thunk it?
"…Even the attributes which the great monotheistic traditions have come to regard as the names and attributes of God such as Eternal, Omnipotent, All-Knowing, the One – are but created qualities. Since man can understand these concepts, and since man’s comprehension is limited, these “absolute” descriptions are limited as well, and cannot be considered as positive descriptions of God. All these attributes of God were created as means for man to praise God to the best of his ability rather than representing positive descriptions of God who remains unknowable in His essence. It is for this reason, 'Abdu’l-Bahá explains, that all the prophets of God have referred to and allowed their followers to praise God and to pray to Him in such terms. In a sense, while God cannot be characterized by these attributes, He is nothing less than these attributes. In the Bahá’í writings ‘plurality’ is regarded as one such limitation and therefore God should be regarded as One. God is nothing less perfect than one (eg. plural), but rather something more perfect. God is nothing less than ‘personal’ (eg. impersonal), but He is something beyond personal. The same applies to** ‘eternity’, which is merely a created quality while God is something beyond eternity**. Link - bahaikipedia.org/God
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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Hit me with it…I’m all ears.
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TonyBS
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Revelation 2:29’He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
Revelation 3:21’He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22’He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’"
Then this is what is said - reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/SLH/slh-5.html
Well come on Jimmy, you did say you were all ears
God Bless and Regards Tony
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MartinJordan
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The Bible can’t do anything on it’s own . But if one is reading it they must keep in mind it was the experience and Love being with Jesus that the Church put it together to remind the Church the Joy we have in the Lord.
Besides, before 1 John 4 : 20 there is also : 1 John 4: 13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
Why pick and choose a verse and elaborate on it alone? I don’t see how one can say the Bible is much much more when one starts a verse from where ever they want?
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TonyBS
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Martin - I would consider this is not so. You would be saying that the “Word of God” has no power to instill Love into a Heart.
My view would be that The Spirit is in the Word. First we have Christ who is the Word, then we Have His Word that has the Power of Change.
It could be considered you would be saying if I read the Bible, it could not lead me to the Church, that you would need the Church to lead you to the Bible. would that be a good summary?
Regards Tony
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MartinJordan
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Without the experience of the Church there would be no Bible. The point of talking about the Bible and claiming how beautiful it is without the Church that gave it is limiting.
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worldcitizen
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Hi Joey,
I meant things like the oneness of humanity and consultation and the Nineteen Day Feast and Fasting and prayer. The foundation, love of God and humanity is the same but some teachings have been explained in more detail.
For instance the Disciples had discussions or consultation with Jesus and Abdul-Baha explained how they spoke, in what spirit and that Baha’is should follow their example.
Then we have the Nineteen Day Feast which you could call the Bahai ‘mass’ as it is a time for spiritual renewal and fellowship.
The Fast. We are given special prayers for fasting and given many explanations about it. I’ve fasted for 2 weeks now. 5 more days to go.
This is what Abdul-Baha says about the disciples and in what beautiful, loving, agreeable spirit in which they consulted…
“The most memorable instance of spiritual consultation was the meeting of the disciples of Jesus Christ upon the mount after His ascension. They said, “Jesus Christ has been crucified, and we have no longer association and intercourse with Him in His physical body; therefore, we must be loyal and faithful to Him, we must be grateful and appreciate Him, for He has raised us from the dead, He made us wise, He has given us eternal life. What shall we do to be faithful to Him?” And so they held council. One of them said, “We must detach ourselves from the chains and fetters of the world; otherwise, we cannot be faithful.” The others replied, “That is so.” Another said, “Either we must be married and faithful to our wives and children or serve our Lord free from these ties. We cannot be occupied with the care and provision for families and at the same time herald the Kingdom in the wilderness. Therefore, let those who are unmarried remain so, and those who have married provide means of sustenance and comfort for their families and then go forth to spread the message of glad tidings.” There were no dissenting voices; all agreed, saying, “That is right.” A third disciple said, “To perform worthy deeds in the Kingdom we must be further self-sacrificing. From now on we should forego ease and bodily comfort, accept every difficulty, forget self and teach the Cause of God.” This found acceptance and approval by all the others. Finally a fourth disciple said, “There is still another aspect to our faith and unity. For Jesus’ sake we shall be beaten, imprisoned and exiled. They may kill us. Let us receive this lesson now. Let us realize and resolve that though we are beaten, banished, cursed, spat upon and led forth to be killed, we shall accept all this joyfully, loving those who hate and wound us.” All the disciples replied, “Surely we will—it is agreed; this is right.” Then they descended from the summit of the mountain, and each went forth in a different direction upon his divine mission.
This was true consultation. This was spiritual consultation and not the mere voicing of personal views in parliamentary opposition and debate.”
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Servant19
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Hi eddieeternity cannot be created. that is a totally nonsensical concept.
so, what does it mean when a teacher says, “my eternity is my creation?”
Imagine a singer. He sings eternally.
The song is a creation of the singer.
It is an eternal song created by the singer.
The Singer is the Essence of God. The Song is the Word of God…
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Techno2000
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Pope Pius IX
Revelation 2:29’He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
Revelation 3:21’He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22’He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’"
Then this is what is said - reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/SLH/slh-5.html
Well come on Jimmy, you did say you were all ears
God Bless and Regards Tony
O Pope! Rend the veils asunder. He Who is the Lord of Lords is come overshadowed with clouds, and the decree hath been fulfilled by God, the Almighty, the Unrestrained. Dispel the mists through the power of thy Lord, and ascend unto the Kingdom of His names and attributes. Thus hath the Pen of the Most High commanded thee at the behest of thy Lord, the Almighty, the All-Compelling. He, verily, hath again come down from Heaven even as He came down from it the first time. Beware that thou dispute not with Him even as the Pharisees disputed with Him without a clear token or proof. On His right hand flow the living waters of grace, and on His left the choice Wine of justice, whilst before Him march the angels of Paradise, bearing the banners of His signs. Beware lest any name debar thee from God, the Creator of earth and heaven. Leave thou the world behind thee, and turn towards thy Lord, through Whom the whole earth hath been illumined.
We have adorned the Kingdom with the ornament of Our name, the All-Glorious. Thus hath it been decreed by God, the Fashioner of all things. Take heed lest thy vain imaginings withhold thee, when once the Sun of Certitude hath shone forth above the horizon of the Utterance of thy Lord, the Mighty, the Beneficent. Dwellest thou in palaces whilst He Who is the King of Revelation liveth in the most desolate of abodes? Leave them unto such as desire them, and set thy face with joy and delight towards the Kingdom.
Why do we need all this nonsense talk, Jesus didn’t have to talk like this
O please O Baha’u’llah just get to the point of what you’re trying to say about the Pope.
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