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My daughter is comparing her boyfreinds churh with the Catholic church and in her view ther isn’t much difference and changing faith’s wouldn’t be so bad.
What are the major differences and what would be the consequences be if she left the Catholic Church.

Why should she stay?

Michael
 
First,in comparing churches there are "major differerances"in teachings about the Sacraments.Most protestants have 2,.Baptism and Communion.Some teach Baptism has no effect(an outward showing of an inward change)and Communion is not the Body and Blood of Christ.They dont believe in the Communion of Saints.The Ministry of Recociliation.Please read the CCC.The Church teaches that protestants "can be saved"if through no fault of their they were raised that way.but to have known the fullness of grace and teachings of the church Jesus instituted and to walk away is a very dangerous thing to do.I will pray for you and your family and your daughters boyfriend.
 
What are the major differences and what would be the consequences be if she left the Catholic Church.
Unless she is converting to Orthodoxy, she would be walking away from sharing the Eucharistic Christ. If she converts to Anglicanism, there is the additional problem of that communion’s tendency to be cast about by modern whims and fads (like allowing divorce, women clergy, gay bishops, etc). The farther a denomination gets away from the Petrine primacy, the more internal disunity it seems to foster. Some Evangelical churches split every time a new pastor comes in over the smallest things, like whether female parishioners can wear slacks. And to assuage their guilt for remaining outside of the one flock, they attack Catholicism’s extrabiblical “inventions” such as the sign of the cross, as if that was sufficient reason to shatter the unity of the body of Christ.
 
Before one can nswer this question we need to know what church she is in.
 
There in lies the rub, worrying over the consequences of “The Church” instead of learning what Jesus wants. Jesus chastised the religious leaders of His day for all their traditions and added laws and “explanations” of God’s law. Can you make the connection there with Catholicism?
And unfortunately there are “gay” Roman Catholic priests, bishops, etc., too. Catholics get divorced, too.

🙂 Bamm
 
Michael,

I hope that your daughter seeks her faith from deeper roots than a contemporary “comparison shopping” can offer her. She’s already found herself buoyed within the Roman Catholic faith - the body that has its roots in the beginning of Christianity and in my belief is the one True Church. A great place to have begun; and a wonderful place for her to remain! 🙂
There is a richness to the Roman Catholic faith that many - even cradle Catholics - do not experience until they seek it out. That richness can be found by starting to look, inquire & read about the Church. A book I recommend is: “We Believe: A Survey of the Catholic Faith” by Oscar Lukefahr, C.M. Also, if she (or you!) are interested in progressing to deeper thought and engagement, two more books of import are: “The Holy Longing” by Ronald Rolheiser - a great book about Christian Spirituality and Mr. G. K. Chesterton’s “What’s Wrong with the World” by Ignatius press.
I hope your daughter finds her home in family of which she is already a member - the Roman Catholic Church. She is welcome to continue to be a member of the “Body of Christ”.
God Bless, David.
 
There in lies the rub, worrying over the consequences of “The Church” instead of learning what Jesus wants. Jesus chastised the religious leaders of His day for all their traditions
No He didn’t.
and added laws and “explanations” of God’s law. Can you make the connection there with Catholicism?
The Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus built. I can see the connection between the chastised traditions of the Pharisees and the NEW Protestant traditions of men like Sola Scriptura and Faith Alone.
And unfortunately there are “gay” Roman Catholic priests, bishops, etc., too. Catholics get divorced, too.
But they do so AGAINST the clear teaching of the Catholic Church. Unlike some Protestant denominations which have embraced these practices.
boom bang!

You’re outa here!

Sincerely,

De Maria
 
My daughter is comparing her boyfreinds churh with the Catholic church and in her view ther isn’t much difference and changing faith’s wouldn’t be so bad.
Wow. That’s pretty sad.
What are the major differences and what would be the consequences be if she left the Catholic Church.
The major difference is that the Catholic Church teaches the fullness of Truth and provides the Sacraments instituted by Christ and the others do not.

What consequence? Uh… Hell.
Why should she stay?
My question to you, Mickey, is why you can’t give her a reason yourself?

As her parent, you are the primary educator of your child in the faith. What did you teach her from infancy? What example did you and her mother set? Does she practice her faith now? Why is she even dating a non-Catholic?
 
1KE

Your right I should probably know more and am now attempting that. I have always had and practiced the faith and that faith was strong. It was quite different when raising a child. We raised her in the Church and tried to lead by example.
Sometimes things just turn out different.
I know the sacraments and the general beliefs of the Church but have not gotten in to the laws of the Church.
That is what I am doing today. Too late for my daughters case but something I need to do to clear up some of the questions I have for myself and can hopefully pass on.
Just because someone is Catholic doesn’t mean that they have studied every part of the Church. Some of us just have the strong faith. and I don’t think that’s so bad!

Michael
 
1KE

Your right I should probably know more and am now attempting that.
That’s good. I am sorry if I came across harshly.

The Seventh Day Adventists are very anti-Catholic. You need to obtain some solid Catholic literature designed specifically to refute their skewed views of the Bible and the things they will tell your daughter.

I’d suggest you start by getting Catholic Answer’s Pillar Of Fire, Pillar Of Truth and reading it with your daughter.

Also read up about Seventh Day Adventism at the Catholic Answers main website.

catholic.com/library/Seventh_Day_Adventism.asp
catholic.com/library/Sabbath_or_Sunday.asp

And, start imparting to your daughter why she should date only Catholics and marry a Catholic.
 
This is the 7th day Adventist
Mickey, unfortunately, your daughter’s boyfriend belongs to a denomination (not a church) that is known for its vehement anti-Catholicism. This article from the Catholic Answers library will give you and your daughter insight into their beliefs:

catholic.com/library/Seventh_Day_Adventism.asp

If you do a search at the THIS ROCK site (see link at top of page) you will find other articles addressing Seventh-Day Adventism.

God bless you in your efforts to help your daughter see and experience the truth of the Catholic Faith.
 
Forget about the anti-Catholicism. Look at the teachings and beliefs. They are not Apostolic…

Besides that, is it really necessary for her to become a Seventh Day Adventist? I mean, unless she and her boyfriend are planning on marriage, their faiths should not have to be compromised in order to date…???

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
 
There in lies the rub, worrying over the consequences of “The Church” instead of learning what Jesus wants.
It is often funny that some say we should learn what Jesus wants, yet at the same breath (or the same thought) would point out that they found what He wants in the church they’re in now.
Jesus chastised the religious leaders of His day for all their traditions and added laws and “explanations” of God’s law.
Jesus chastised the Pharisees for their hypocrisy, not because of traditions or added explanations that they gave. He in fact called His listeners to listen to the Pharisees–but cautioned them not to follow their example. In other words, Jesus did not contradict the traditions that they follow, since He Himself followed them. What He did not agree with was the Pharisees’ hypocrisy in heaping these traditions on the people, when they themselves do not follow it.
And unfortunately there are “gay” Roman Catholic priests, bishops, etc., too. Catholics get divorced, too.
Does this actually prove anything? When one thinks about it, there are also gay Protestant clergy a well as Protestants who get divorced. It’s not an exclusive Catholic thing.
 
No He didn’t.

The Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus built. I can see the connection between the chastised traditions of the Pharisees and the NEW Protestant traditions of men like Sola Scriptura and Faith Alone.

But they do so AGAINST the clear teaching of the Catholic Church. Unlike some Protestant denominations which have embraced these practices.

boom bang!

You’re outa here!

Sincerely,

De Maria
De Maria:

Jesus had many encounters with the Scribes, Pharisees and other religious lawmakers of His time. These encounters are recorded in the Gospels written about His life. They are in Catholic Bibles, too. Read Matthew chapters 5, 16 & 23; Mark chapters 7 & 8; Luke chapters 11 & 12.

Jesus said, “Keep your eyes open, and be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees.” (Matt. 16:6; Mark 8:15; Luke 12:1)

When Jesus was asked why His disciples did not follow traditions including the cleansing before eating, He answered, “It was of you hypocrites that Isaiah so rightly prophesied in this passage of scripture: ‘This people honors me only with lip-service, while their hearts are far from me. The worship they offer me is worthless, the doctrines they teach are only human regulations’ (Is. 29:13). You put aside the commandment of God to cling to human traditions.”

And He said to them, “How ingeniously you get around the commandment of God in order to preserve your own tradition! For Moses said: ‘Do your duty to your father and your mother, and Anyone who curses father and mother must be put to death.’ But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother: Anything I have that I might have used to help you is Corban (dedicated to God), then he is forbidden from that moment to do anything for his father or mother.’ In this way you make God’s word null and void for the sake of your tradition which you have handed down. And you do many other things like this.” (Mark 7:1-13; also in Matt. 15:1-20 & Luke 11:37-54)

Jesus calls them blind guides, hypocrites, serpents, & brood of vipers in Matthew chapter 23. In Luke chapter 11, He calls them fools. I would say that was pretty much chastising them for their traditions and added by laws (over 600 of them) to God’s commandments. The Catechism has over 2800 paragraphs of by laws/”explanations”.

Man or men made the Roman Catholic Church to link up with Christ’s teachings on the subject not Jesus. Peter in his lifetime was never Bishop of Rome and Peter always told anyone wanting to exalt him to not do it. He always told anyone wanting to bow down to him to stand up because he was just a man the same as they.

As far as the “gay” subject goes, you need to check out the questions and links on the subject right here in the forum.

Bible quotes are from the Jerusalem Bible one of the three sanctioned for liturgical use by the Vatican.

🙂 Bamm
 
It is often funny that some say we should learn what Jesus wants, yet at the same breath (or the same thought) would point out that they found what He wants in the church they’re in now.

Jesus chastised the Pharisees for their hypocrisy, not because of traditions or added explanations that they gave. He in fact called His listeners to listen to the Pharisees–but cautioned them not to follow their example. In other words, Jesus did not contradict the traditions that they follow, since He Himself followed them. What He did not agree with was the Pharisees’ hypocrisy in heaping these traditions on the people, when they themselves do not follow it.

Does this actually prove anything? When one thinks about it, there are also gay Protestant clergy a well as Protestants who get divorced. It’s not an exclusive Catholic thing.
Milliardo:

I didn’t mention anything about the church I am now in. I am talking about Jesus’ teachings not mans, not a churches.

I am repeating myself, but I understand how hard it is to keep up with different postings. Christ was most certainly talking about the added traditions and by laws added to God’s law by MAN.

Jesus had many encounters with the Scribes, Pharisees and other religious lawmakers of His time. These encounters are recorded in the Gospels written about His life. They are in Catholic Bibles, too. Read Matthew chapters 5, 16 & 23; Mark chapters 7 & 8; Luke chapters 11 & 12.

Jesus said, “Keep your eyes open, and be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees.” (Matt. 16:6; Mark 8:15; Luke 12:1) The meaning of yeast was their increase of God’s laws by their own added rules and explanations.

When Jesus was asked why His disciples did not follow traditions including the cleansing before eating, He answered, “It was of you hypocrites that Isaiah so rightly prophesied in this passage of scripture: ‘This people honors me only with lip-service, while their hearts are far from me. The worship they offer me is worthless, the doctrines they teach are only human regulations’ (Is. 29:13). You put aside the commandment of God to cling to human traditions.”

And He said to them, “How ingeniously you get around the commandment of God in order to preserve your own tradition! For Moses said: ‘Do your duty to your father and your mother, and Anyone who curses father and mother must be put to death.’ But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother: Anything I have that I might have used to help you is Corban (dedicated to God), then he is forbidden from that moment to do anything for his father or mother.’ In this way you make God’s word null and void for the sake of your tradition which you have handed down. And you do many other things like this.” (Mark 7:1-13; also in Matt. 15:1-20 & Luke 11:37-54)

Jesus calls them blind guides, hypocrites, serpents, & brood of vipers in Matthew chapter 23. In Luke chapter 11, He calls them fools. I would say that was pretty much chastising them for their traditions and added by laws (over 600 of them) to God’s commandments. The Catechism has over 2800 paragraphs of by laws/”explanations”.

Bible quotes are from the Jerusalem Bible one of the three sanctioned for liturgical use by the Vatican.

My comment about “gays” and divorce was in direct answer to a comment made about Protestants. So, the fact that both Roman Catholics and Protestants have “gay” leaders and get divorced was exactly the point I was making. However, like I said, I know how hard it is to keep up with all the posts on a subject.

🙂 Bamm
 
Forget about the anti-Catholicism. Look at the teachings and beliefs. They are not Apostolic…

Besides that, is it really necessary for her to become a Seventh Day Adventist? I mean, unless she and her boyfriend are planning on marriage, their faiths should not have to be compromised in order to date…???

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
They are planning on marriage.
 
I didn’t mention anything about the church I am now in. I am talking about Jesus’ teachings not mans, not a churches.
Of course you did not, yet the implication is there, if we go by its logical conclusion.
Christ was most certainly talking about the added traditions and by laws added to God’s law by MAN.
These traditions were followed by Christ as well; He is, as we see in Matthew, a Jew’s Jew, perfectly subscribing to the laws and traditions of His time as against the Pharisees, who tell people to keep them but they do not do it themselves.
Jesus had many encounters with the Scribes, Pharisees and other religious lawmakers of His time. These encounters are recorded in the Gospels written about His life. They are in Catholic Bibles, too. Read Matthew chapters 5, 16 & 23; Mark chapters 7 & 8; Luke chapters 11 & 12.
Cut and paste from above? That won’t work, since I address another issue from that of the other poster.
When Jesus was asked why His disciples did not follow traditions including the cleansing before eating, He answered, “It was of you hypocrites that Isaiah so rightly prophesied in this passage of scripture: ‘This people honors me only with lip-service, while their hearts are far from me. The worship they offer me is worthless, the doctrines they teach are only human regulations’ (Is. 29:13). You put aside the commandment of God to cling to human traditions.”
The point of Jesus here can be observed properly–Jesus’ point isn’t traditions per se, but rather how people approach them, that is, that they observe them merely for the sake of oberving. Even today we see people who go to church for the sake of merely going to church, as if mere observance of keeping the Commandments is enough. Jesus made a point of this with the rich man who cannot part his way with his wealth. So His point isn’t about observing tradition; as noted, Jesus kept them as well. He would then be hypocritical Himself if He admonished His listeners yet He Himself do the same thing.
Jesus calls them blind guides, hypocrites, serpents, & brood of vipers in Matthew chapter 23. In Luke chapter 11, He calls them fools. I would say that was pretty much chastising them for their traditions and added by laws (over 600 of them) to God’s commandments.
As pointed out, Jesus’ point in His woes was that the Pharisees heaped laws and traditions on people without them following it themselves–thus He called them as hypocrites. His point is that if they would give these laws, then they should be doing it themselves, not having people do it without them doing it. We can see these in the verses: Matthew 23:13, 23. One can see the gist of His point in Matthew 23:12–that the Pharisees exalt themselves without as much as praising God, nor help people in worshipping Him. I purposely deleted the earlier paragraph you made since you only say the same thing; the point of Jesus, as you can see, isn’t about against tradition, but against those who enforce them and yet do not follow it themselves. As Jesus said to His listeners, which we find in Matthew 23:2-4–“The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses.Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice.They tie up heavy burdens (hard to carry) and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they will not lift a finger to move them” By that alone you can see what His point is–follow all they (the Pharisees) tell you, but do not follow their example, upon which He said His woes against them for being hypocritical in not doing what they themselves ask people to do…
So, the fact that both Roman Catholics and Protestants have “gay” leaders and get divorced was exactly the point I was making.
And what exactly was that point you were making, since you did not explicitly pointed that out?
 
Please remember,this thread was started by a man wanting to help his Daughter not to debate percieved traditions of men,or to argue YOUR PERSONAL interpretation of catholic beliefs.Praying for you,your daughter and her boyfriend.:crossrc:
 
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