Comparing islam to Mormonism

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Marie5890 said:
Exactly.

Until people, esp men, can imitate Our Lady’s authentic humility, these sort of happenings will continue to occur.

Humility is no easy task for any human, esp for men. I think that is due to (and I am serious) testosterone. There is something so very competitive in men. At least in western culture.
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Hi Marie,

I always enjoy your posts.

Testosterone is values-neutral. It is not that we have it, but how we use it.

But you are absolutely correct about emulating the humility of Our Lady. We men often find it difficult to be humble and patient and to take the time and effort to truly listen and to be kind in the little ways that are so important.

The rosary has been a great blessing to me, and helps me (a naturally dominant person) to temper my nature; though how successful I have been is still up for discussion. :o

I was blessed to have wonderful and brilliant parents who taught me the inherent value and complimentarily nature of both sexes. The older I get, the more I realize that my late father was an extraordinary man.

My older daughter calls me a “male feminist”. I consider that a fine compliment. I grieve for the plight of women the world over and pray that one day all persons will be seen as Saint Paul described:
There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
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  • Galatians 3:27-29
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In a very stereotypical way, male egos can be found competing within any religious institution.
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Any.
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And in another very stereotypical way, female egos can be found collaborating with any political institution. Nazis. Commies. Any. Tomayto, tomahto; gander, goose.

Condemning one ‘gander’ over another is sexist, since there is good in both genders.
 
Adamski said:
Some common ideas I found between the two religions

1- an angel talked to me and said
A) the bible is false and I need to rewrite it
B) I am the new prophet
C) I need to endorse polygamy and take your wife or daughter
D) use of violence endorsed

These are the things I found in common with Muhammad and Joseph smith
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I agree with 1 but your conclusions on ABCD are highly subjective and either non-factual or disputed.
 
Adamski said:
Some common ideas I found between the two religions

1- an angel talked to me and said
A) the bible is false and I need to rewrite it
B) I am the new prophet
C) I need to endorse polygamy and take your wife or daughter
D) use of violence endorsed

These are the things I found in common with Muhammad and Joseph smith
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If one googles “similarities between Islam and Mormonism” many interesting things come up.

Did you know that the Mountain Meadow Massacre occurred on September 11? :eek:
 
lax16 said:
If one googles “similarities between Islam and Mormonism” many interesting things come up.

Did you know that the Mountain Meadow Massacre occurred on September 11? :eek:
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Yep…I knew that
 
In his instructions to the twelve, Jesus said, “Thank not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword”. (Matthew 10:34) In Paul’s letter to the Ephesians he wrote, “Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God…” (Ephesians 6:14-17)

I do not believe the sword referred to was an instrument to kill except in the battle with evil the sword - or the word of God - would be used to destroy the works of Lucifer.

Are there LDS that commit crimes? Yes. Does that prove or give evidence that Joseph Smith was not a prophet or that the LDS is a militant religion? No.

As I understand the situation in Arizona was that a man was protecting his Constitutional rights. How many of us would turn to violence to protect our God given rights? We fight wars to protect our rights.

The Mountain Meadow Massacre! Those church members were warned by Brigham Young to leave those people alone but locals disregarded his warning and did kill some innocent people. Those church members were excommunicate and, I’m sure, if Brigham Young had the authority he would have had them tried in a court of law - my opinion.

In the days of Joseph Smith, American was a new country that was much different than today but we tend to judge all Americans of that age by our current culture. Who knows what really happened? All we have are historians that search documents that they know not the motivation or environment in which the documents were written - most histories have many errors because of speculation and assumptions that fill in the gaps of that which is not known.
 
lax16 said:
If one googles “similarities between Islam and Mormonism” many interesting things come up.

Did you know that the Mountain Meadow Massacre occurred on September 11? :eek:
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Say it isn’t so! You know what else happened on September 11?

1297 - Battle at Stirling Bridge, Scottish rebel William Wallace beats English
1304 - Willem III becomes earl of Holland
1390 - the Teutonic Knights begin a five-week siege of the city of Vilnius in Lithuania, losing its original purpose of fighting for Christianity and starting off a string of wars where Christians fought other Christians.
1541 - Santiago, Chile, is destroyed by indigenous warriors, lead by Michimalonko.
1557 - Catholic & Lutheran theology debated at Worms.
1609 - Expulsion order in Valencia culminating in ethnic cleansing of all Muslims and Jews from Spain.
1906 - Mahatma Gandhi coins the term “Satyagraha” to characterize the Non-Violence movement in South Africa.
1950 - “Beetle Bailey” comic strip debuts
1970 - Introduction of the Ford Pinto
Looks like Sep 11 is a big Scotto-Teutonic-Indo-Fordo-Mormo-Islamist conspiracy. 👍
 
Sabacthani said:
Say it isn’t so! You know what else happened on September 11?

1297 - Battle at Stirling Bridge, Scottish rebel William Wallace beats English
1304 - Willem III becomes earl of Holland
1390 - the Teutonic Knights begin a five-week siege of the city of Vilnius in Lithuania, losing its original purpose of fighting for Christianity and starting off a string of wars where Christians fought other Christians.
1541 - Santiago, Chile, is destroyed by indigenous warriors, lead by Michimalonko.
1557 - Catholic & Lutheran theology debated at Worms.
1609 - Expulsion order in Valencia culminating in ethnic cleansing of all Muslims and Jews from Spain.
1906 - Mahatma Gandhi coins the term “Satyagraha” to characterize the Non-Violence movement in South Africa.
1950 - “Beetle Bailey” comic strip debuts
1970 - Introduction of the Ford Pinto
Looks like Sep 11 is a big Scotto-Teutonic-Indo-Fordo-Mormo-Islamist conspiracy. 👍
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How do these events tie in with the similarities between Islam and Mormonism? 🤷
 
jorsalfar said:
The Mountain Meadow Massacre! Those church members were warned by Brigham Young to leave those people alone but locals disregarded his warning and did kill some innocent people. Those church members were excommunicate and, I’m sure, if Brigham Young had the authority he would have had them tried in a court of law - my opinion.

In the days of Joseph Smith, American was a new country that was much different than today but we tend to judge all Americans of that age by our current culture. Who knows what really happened? All we have are historians that search documents that they know not the motivation or environment in which the documents were written - most histories have many errors because of speculation and assumptions that fill in the gaps of that which is not known.
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How did BY feel after the massacre took place?
 
lax16 said:
Actually, not much has happened on 9/11 when you look at the timeline presented making the two acts of terror even more shocking.
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First of all, the Mountain Meadow Massacre was a war crime, not an act of terror. Terrorist acts are intentionally public; the perps of the MMM tried to keep it a secret. There’s no such thing as a secret act of terrorism; publicity is the whole point.

Second, you’re wrong that not much has happened on 9/11; I just clipped a few incidents. Here’s are more. I had to cut it in half because of space constraints:
1875 - 1st newspaper cartoon strip
1881 - Triple landslides bury Elm Switz
1883 - James Cutler patents postal mail chute
1885 - Moses Hopkins, named minister to Liberia
1891 - The Jewish Colonization Association is established by Baron Maurice de Hirsch.
1897 - After months of pursuit, generals of Menelik II of Ethiopia capture Gaki Sherocho,
1910 - 1st commercially successful electric bus line opens (Hollywood)
1912 - Netherland Olympic Committee forms
1912 - Phila A’s Eddie Collins steals 6 bases in 1 game
1914 - William Christopher Handy publishes “St Louis Blues”
1914 - Australia invades New Britain, defeating a German contingent there.
1916 - German troops conquer Kavalla Greece
1919 - US marines invade Honduras
1921 - Nahalal, the first moshav in Israel, is settled.
1922 - British mandate of Palestine begins
1922 - The Treaty of Kars is ratified in Yerevan, Armenia.
1926 - Spain leaves League of Nation due to Germany joining
1930 - Stromboli volcano (Sicily) throws 2-ton basaltic rocks 2 miles
1931 - Salvatore Maranzano is murdered by Charles Luciano’s hitmen.
1939 - Battle of Kutno-pocket: Germans advance to Warsaw
32nd US President Franklin D. Roosevelt32nd US President Franklin D. Roosevelt 1939 - British submarine Triton torpedoes British submarine Oxley
1940 - -12] Buckingham Palace damaged by German bombs
1940 - Anton Mussert establishes Dutch SS
1940 - George Stibitz pioneers the first remote operation of a computer.
1941 - FDR orders any Axis ship found in American waters be shot at on sight
1941 - World War II: The U.S. Navy is ordered to attack German U-boats.
1941 - Construction of the Pentagon begins (completed 15 Jan 1943)
1943 - Allied arm forces conquerors Salerno
1943 - Jewish ghettos of Minsk & Lida Belorussia liquidated
1944 - FDR & Churchill meet in Canada at 2nd Quebec Conference
1944 - US 5th Armored Division is 1st allied force to enter nazi-Germany
1946 - 1st mobile long-distance car-to-car telephone conversation
1950 - 1st typesetting machine to dispense with metal type exhibited
1950 - 33 die in a train crash in Coshocton Ohio
1950 - Dick Tracy TV show sparks uproar concerning violence
1952 - West German Chancellor Adenauer signs a reparation pact for Jews
1956 - Yanks Yogi Berra ties career record for HRs (236) by a catcher
1958 - Great Britain performs atmospheric nuclear test at Christmas Island
1959 - “Duke” Ellington wins Springarn Medal for his musical achievements
1959 - Congress passes a bill authorizing food stamps for poor Americans
1963 - Typhoon Gloria strikes Taiwan killing 330, with $17.5 million damage
1964 - George Harrison forms Mornyork Ltd music publishing company
1965 - Beatles’ “Help!,” album goes #1 & stays #1 for 9 weeks
1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States Army arrives in Vietnam.
1966 - France performs nuclear test at Muruora Island
1966 - Rolling Stones perform on Ed Sullivan Show
1967 - Indian/Chinese border fights
1967 - US Surveyor 5 makes 1st chemical analysis of lunar material
1968 - Air France Flight 1611 crashes off Nice, France, killing 89 passengers and 6 crew.
1969 - USSR performs nuclear test at Eastern Kazakh/Semipalitinsk USSR
1970 - 88 of the hostages from the Dawson’s Field hijackings are released.
1971 - Egypt adopts its constitution
1973 - Chile’s President Salvador Allende deposed in a military coup
1980 - Chile adopts its constitution
1983 - USSR performs nuclear test at Eastern Kazakh/Semipalitinsk USSR
1985 - Flyby of Comet Giacobini-Zinner
1985 - Intl Cometary Explorer (ISEE 3) passes Giacobini-Zinner by 7900 km
1985 - Sri Lanka score their 1st Test Cricket victory, by 149 runs v India
1989 - Drexel formally pleads guilty to security fraud
1989 - KSO-AM in Des Moines Iowa changes call letters to KGGO
1991 - “La Toya: Growing Up in The Jackson Family” goes on sale
1991 - 14 die in a Continental Express commuter plane crash near Houston
1991 - Air crash at Djeddah, Saudi-Arabia, 263 die
1991 - Emmy News & Documentaries Award presentation
1991 - NY Yankees final game at Baltimore Oriole’s Memorial Stadium
1992 - Hurricane Iniki hits Kauai Hawaii; 3 die & 8,000 injured
1993 - 107th US Women’s Tennis: Steffi Graf beats Helena Sukova (6-3 6-3)
1993 - Junxia Qu runs 1500m ladies’ world record (3:50.46)
1994 - 114th US Men’s Tennis: Andre Agassi beats Michael Stich (61 76 75)
1994 - 46th Emmy Awards: Fraiser, Picket Fences & Kelsey Grammer win
1994 - Jingyi Le swims female world record 50m freestyle
1994 - Missie McGeorge wins Ping-Cellular One LPGA Golf Championship
1995 - Soyuz TM-22, lands
1996 - Union Pacific Railroad purchases Southern Pacific Railroad.
1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a report to the U.S. Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 possible impeachable offenses.
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lax16 said:
How did BY feel after the massacre took place?
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Terrified. He had one third the US army breathing down his neck and Salt Lake City all set up with kindling to be torched as soon as he gave the word, and he’d worked very hard to put the US army in a position where it had to negotiate, sending folks to make peace with Washington. Suddenly there’s a massacre by remote mormons out in Cedar City that threatens to bring the whole peace plan in war and bloodshed.
 
lax16 said:
How do these events tie in with the similarities between Islam and Mormonism? 🤷
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They illustrate that any attempt to draw a “similarity” between Islam and “Mormonism” based on a date is silly superstitious numerology. The information is about as religiously useful as asking for Jesus’ zodiac sign.:mad:
 
Sabacthani said:
First of all, the Mountain Meadow Massacre was a war crime, not an act of terror. Terrorist acts are intentionally public; the perps of the MMM tried to keep it a secret. There’s no such thing as a secret act of terrorism; publicity is the whole point.

Second, you’re wrong that not much has happened on 9/11; I just clipped a few incidents. Here’s are more. I had to cut it in half because of space constraints:
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When once has to reach that far to deflect from the point, it validates the point. Thank you
 
Sabacthani said:
Terrified. He had one third the US army breathing down his neck and Salt Lake City all set up with kindling to be torched as soon as he gave the word, and he’d worked very hard to put the US army in a position where it had to negotiate, sending folks to make peace with Washington. Suddenly there’s a massacre by remote mormons out in Cedar City that threatens to bring the whole peace plan in war and bloodshed.
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Terrified? Nope. He felt as if vengeance was accomplished. We know that because he went to the memorial that had been erected and kicked it over like an angry, classless, thoughtless thug and claimed vengeance had been done.
 
lax16 said:
How did BY feel after the massacre took place?
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Immediately after, when he found out, he was terrified, for the reasons I said.

Years later, when he’d heard the lies from Lee and Haight about the pioneers bragging about having killed Joseph Smith, (stories they’d told to persuade him to protect them), BY apparently made some remark that God had taken some measure of vengeance. So to that extent, what Tex said might be partially true.
 
Sabacthani said:
Immediately after, when he found out, he was terrified, for the reasons I said.

Years later, when he’d heard the lies from Lee and Haight about the pioneers bragging about having killed Joseph Smith, (stories they’d told to persuade him to protect them), BY apparently made some remark that God had taken some measure of vengeance. So to that extent, what Tex said might be partially true.
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Please provide evidence that BY was terrified. I look forward to reading your evidence.

BY did his memorial desecration less than 4 years after MMM and less than 2 years after the memorial was erected.

His hiding of evidence soon after MMM speaks loudly about how little fear he had, but deciet and vengeance was in his heart
 
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