Comparing islam to Mormonism

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Both founders were aware of scripture which told them to test the spirits (1 John 4:1-3). There is zero evidence that either one of them did. I believe that the same spirit lied to both of them.
 
for the record, no evidence was ever provided that BY was “terrified”

evidence WAS provided that he was full of hate and vengeance
 
TexanKnight has an opposing answer to everything; fortunately, his answers are always fabrications, innuendoes, and wrong. But, in his defense, he has no idea what a reasoned response looks like.
 
jorsalfar said:
TexanKnight has an opposing answer to everything; fortunately, his answers are always fabrications, innuendoes, and wrong. But, in his defense, he has no idea what a reasoned response looks like.
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I do not have an opposing answer to everything. I only have an opposing answer to the falseness that is the LDS Church…even LDS Apostles know I am right, as was shown on another thread.

My answers are always the truth.

I fabricate nothing.

I am not wrong.

But, instead of attacking me with your accusations, provide PROOF that what I have said on any topic is wrong.

I can’t wait
 
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Are there LDS that commit crimes? Yes. Does that prove or give evidence that Joseph Smith was not a prophet or that the LDS is a militant religion? No.

I think all the crimes committed by js are sufficient to show he was not a prophet.

The Mountain Meadow Massacre! Those church members were warned by Brigham Young to leave those people alone but locals disregarded his warning and did kill some innocent people.

Yes…that is the “party line”, but hardly accurate. BY either ordered it directly or indirectly by his conduct and vengeance speeches and blood oath commands. His conduct in desecrating the memorial and claiming vengeance is certainly circumstantial evidence of his complicity.

Those church members were excommunicate and, I’m sure, if Brigham Young had the authority he would have had them tried in a court of law - my opinion.

That is simply not true. In fact, it is opposite of the truth. Do your research. BY stonewalled the authorities, hid evidence, and caused mistrials. It was not till the third trial that ONE person was convicted and executed…
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First of all, the Mountain Meadow Massacre was a war crime, not an act of terror. Terrorist acts are intentionally public; the perps of the MMM tried to keep it a secret. There’s no such thing as a secret act of terrorism; publicity is the whole point.
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I used the word terror, not terrorist. Big difference. And it has nothing to do with public acts vs secret ones.

Merriam-Webster definition of terror:

Full Definition of TERROR
1
: a state of intense fear
2
a : one that inspires fear : scourge
b : a frightening aspect
c : a cause of anxiety : worry
d : an appalling person or thing; especially : brat
3
: reign of terror
4
: violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands
Second, you’re wrong that not much has happened on 9/11; I just clipped a few incidents. Here’s are more. I had to cut it in half because of space constraints:
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I don’t see how The Rolling Stones performing on the Ed Sullivan Show or Egypt adopting a constitution has anything to do with the similarities of Islam and Mormonism. I do see a similarity between two acts of terror that have helped define two religious groups: the MMM and the Mormons and the 9/11 Attacks and the Muslims.

I have obviously struck a nerve with this - you might want to ask yourself why.
 
I think the whole 9/11 and violence/terror tact is a poor avenue to go down for comparisons. Sinful acts in themselves are not evidence of the fault of a religion. The arguments here are a very weak basis that could easily be turned on anyone leveling the accusation.

Instead, look at the more valid similarities–the nature of how the “revelations” and “angelic visitations” came about, their content, etc. There are enough of these to demonstrate that the spirits inspiring one are very similar to those inspiring the other, just as many old heresies are frequently re-hashed with modern twists. The Adversary frequently repackages old material.

Further, I would only use this connection not as an attempt to “damn” Joseph Smith and the religions that arose from him, but to illustrate/raise alarm that there is something worrisome about their content that requires looking deeper. It also can go to show to those either convinced that Smith’s religions could not have come about just from his own man-made inventions (claiming evidence of divine revelation), or those that do believe in testing spirits, that there could very well be a similar spiritual influence behind the two–and not a good one.
 
Arandur said:
I think the whole 9/11 and violence/terror tact is a poor avenue to go down for comparisons. Sinful acts in themselves are not evidence of the fault of a religion. The arguments here are a very weak basis that could easily be turned on anyone leveling the accusation.
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Normally, yes. Except, and this is huge: Islam is spread solely by fear, intimidation and violence. Violence, to include physical abuse of women, is encoded and demanded in their holy book and enforced by various uncontrolled practitioners. There is no central governing authority. Muslims are slaves of God and whatever they believe God tells them to do, they must obey with zeal. Virtually every violent regional or global conflict on the face of this earth traces directly or indirectly to Islam. Violence is in its DNA. That’s just the facts, as unpleasant to contemplate as they may be.
 
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