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philipl
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Yep, the USA has always produced the dumbest kids in the world.
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openmind77
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Sorry, I know Catholic hospitals and schools are good, I did not know Catholic hospitals and schools were so cheap and affordable.Catholic ran hospitals are second to none in the USA, same for the educational system at Catholic school.
You want example for poor ran, inefficient, corrupt, hospitals and school. Go to a government ran school or hospital, in the case of life or death, if going to a government ran hospital you might just be giving up your life. Just look at the VA. How many people died just waiting for care at VA hospitals? I really cant believe you wrote the post quoted above. Its just plain wrong.
I guess the 4 million who may loose their healthcare this month can just go to these well run hospitals without worrying about cost?
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JimR-OCDS
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You posted a question, loaded, but a question.Read what I posted again.
I was asking for clarificationAnd the government was responsible for ending child labor, and not economic prosperity?
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JimR-OCDS
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This is a broad bushed false statement.Yep, the USA has always produced the dumbest kids in the world.
We didn’t end up with the top computer, auto and other developers and manufacturers because we have the dumbest people in the world.
We don’t have the best universities in the world which people from other nations try to get into because we’re stupid.
If you’re going to compare high-school tests scores in Europe and Asia to that of American kids, keep in mind that they’re high-school students are not their entire population of high-school kids. Only about 30-35% of their kids go to an academic high-school path. The others go into trade schools.
This means that their top academic students are compared to our general population of high-school kids.
But we are not the dumbest on earth.
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JimR-OCDS
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Did you go to public school or private school ?Which one is it that cant afford health care, Only the wealthy or the unemployed? BTW, do only the wealth get an education? I am not wealthy yet I have a degree that has helped keep me employed. My wife has a masters in Computer Science and my son is getting his degree in engineering/physics. Yet we are not a wealthy family.
If you went to private school and had the means of paying for tuition, thank God. But keep in mind, not everyone is in that position.
Do you have a job which provides health insurance for you and your family ? If you do, thank God, but not everyone is in that position, try to understand that.
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philipl
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You wrote:This is a broad bushed false statement.
We didn’t end up with the top computer, auto and other developers and manufacturers because we have the dumbest people in the world.
We don’t have the best universities in the world which people from other nations try to get into because we’re stupid.
If you’re going to compare high-school tests scores in Europe and Asia to that of American kids, keep in mind that they’re high-school students are not their entire population of high-school kids. Only about 30-35% of their kids go to an academic high-school path. The others go into trade schools.
This means that their top academic students are compared to our general population of high-school kids.
But we are not the dumbest on earth.
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Yeah I know, back in history, education and health care was dismal.
Heck, how far back do you want to go in US History, back before anti-child labor laws ?
I am just agreeing with you. We suck at education. We are awful. Education was and is dismal.Things weren’t so great then, you can be assured.
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JimR-OCDS
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Was dismal is not IS dismal.You wrote:
I am just agreeing with you. We suck at education. We are awful. Education was and is dismal.
We still educate well, those who want a good education and it’s the government who provides the opportunity.
Our biggest problem right now is that we put everyone into an academic path in high-school, were other developed nations, only 30% of their populations go into an academic path towards college.
The rest go into trades in which businesses are involved with. Those who don’t choose a trade path or academic path, drop out and are on their own, and their not around to dragged down everyone else.
Most of the problem in our public education systems in the inner cities, has more to do with the culture, than the government.
The public schools in my area are excellent and the students have the option of an academic path or vocational path. The high-school has 80% of the students going onto 4 year colleges.
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philipl
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USA spend more per child than any other country in the world. We rank about 41 in test score in Math, reading, science. So its not cheap nor good. Government ran hospitals, just look at the VA, wasted money and lives. Go to any city ran hospital and you will see a very bloated cost paid by the tax payers and very poor service.Sorry, I know Catholic hospitals and schools are good, I did not know Catholic hospitals and schools were so cheap and affordable.
I guess the 4 million who may loose their healthcare this month can just go to these well run hospitals without worrying about cost?
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johnnykins
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As Somalia with its fully non-functioning government - a libertarian haven no doubt - amply demonstrates…The stronger the central government, the worse lives the people have to live.
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philipl
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Go find any country that has a authoritarian/totalitarian/strong central government and you will find misery. The stronger the central government the worst lives the people live. Look at North Korea, there is only one fat guy in the whole country.Actually it’s not.
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JimR-OCDS
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A strong central government like a communist government ?Go find any country that has a authoritarian/totalitarian/strong central government and you will find misery. The stronger the central government the worst lives the people live. Look at North Korea, there is only one fat guy in the whole country.
Sure, they’re the worse.
However, when the United States first began, they tried confederacy where the central government was weak and the individual states were strong. It failed miserably.
A strong central representative government is what works best, which is what we ended up with and it has worked better than anywhere in the world, to date.
However, in democracy, what causes the central government to gain more power than what we want is when individual freedoms are trampled upon by the individual states.
Go back before the civil rights act was signed by the federal government. Black people in the south were kept from voting, having education and even riding a bus with the same rights as white people.
There is a balance, and this is what Pope Francis is calling for, and that balanced government looks out for the poor as well as protect the rights of the wealthy.
But it doesn’t give all to the few wealthy at the expense of the majority as we have happening today.
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SWolf
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I said nothing about child labor laws.You posted a question, loaded, but a question.
I was asking for clarification
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If the government mandated child labor laws in, say, an economically poor farming community in 1700, do you think child labor would cease, or they would just work in the black market?
mises.org/library/trouble-child-labor-laws
By the time this legislation passed, however, it was mostly a symbol, a classic case of Washington chasing a trend in order to take credit for it. Youth labor was expected in the 17th and 18th centuries — even welcome, since remunerative work opportunities were newly present. But as prosperity grew with the advance of commerce, more kids left the workforce. By 1930, only 6.4 percent of kids between the ages of 10 and 15 were actually employed, and 3 out of 4 of those were in agriculture.1
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JimR-OCDS
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[/QUOTE]I said nothing about child labor laws.
JimYou didn’t ask this question ?
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SWolf
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SWolf;13059952:
I said nothing about child labor laws.
Laws are one way the government could, but I didn’t specifically state that. Regulatory bodies would be another possible way the government would TRY to stop child labor.You didn’t ask this question ?
Now what is the explanation for child labor going to practically non-existent before the first federal child labor laws? Could the government do the same at poorer times without major repercussions?
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JimR-OCDS
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JimR-OCDS;13059963:
But it was government law that ended child labor. Family farms are excluded.SWolf;13059952:
I said nothing about child labor laws.
Laws are one way the government could, but I didn’t specifically state that. Regulatory bodies would be another possible way the government would TRY to stop child labor.
Now what is the explanation for child labor going to practically non-existent before the first federal child labor laws? Could the government do the same at poorer times without major repercussions?
The original point is that there is a need for government.
Those who think otherwise have to answer the question about child labor, and other laws which went into effect to protect individuals.
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CHESTERTONRULES
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True, but concern for the poor should mean advocacy for free markets, which have lifted more people out of poverty than any income redistribution scheme ever will.Pope Francis preached on poverty during his June 16 homily at the Domus Sanctae Marthae."Many times, we hear: ?But this priest talks too much about poverty, this bishop speaks of …
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johnnykins
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Hmmm the British parliament has essentially unlimited powers…or perhaps strong central government is not apt to be included with “authoritarian/totalitarian”??Go find any country that has a authoritarian/totalitarian/strong central government and you will find misery. The stronger the central government the worst lives the people live. Look at North Korea, there is only one fat guy in the whole country.
BTW Vatican City vests supreme power in the Pope - one guy. Guess you hate the Vatican…
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philipl
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I would rather have a decentralized government where the states have the power over their citizen. When the Federal government does things because the states can not, not because they are unwilling.A strong central government like a communist government ?
Sure, they’re the worse.
However, when the United States first began, they tried confederacy where the central government was weak and the individual states were strong. It failed miserably.
A strong central representative government is what works best, which is what we ended up with and it has worked better than anywhere in the world, to date.
However, in democracy, what causes the central government to gain more power than what we want is when individual freedoms are trampled upon by the individual states.
Go back before the civil rights act was signed by the federal government. Black people in the south were kept from voting, having education and even riding a bus with the same rights as white people.
There is a balance, and this is what Pope Francis is calling for, and that balanced government looks out for the poor as well as protect the rights of the wealthy.
But it doesn’t give all to the few wealthy at the expense of the majority as we have happening today.
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JimR-OCDS
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And this is the argument the pro-slavery states made before the Civil War.I would rather have a decentralized government where the states have the power over their citizen. When the Federal government does things because the states can not, not because they are unwilling.
Even today, some people from down south claim the civil war was about states rights, not slavery.
They’re wrong of course and the documentation from that era proves it.
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philipl
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HUH? our education system in the 50’s was much better than it is today. There is no way you can back up your statement.Was dismal is not IS dismal.
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