Concern for the poor is not Communism, Pope says in homily [CWN]

[JimR-OCDS]

HUH? our education system in the 50’s was much better than it is today. There is no way you can back up your statement.

I was talking the early 20th century before child labor and education laws were put in place.

Jim

 

[philipl]

And this is the argument the pro-slavery states made before the Civil War.

Even today, some people from down south claim the civil war was about states rights, not slavery.

They’re wrong of course and the documentation from that era proves it.

I had nothing to do with slavery. I have never met anyone that was a slave in the american south. There are very very very few people alive day that met an american precivil war slave.

I have said often, I wish slavery never came to the USA. But the fact is it did and there is nothing to be done about it. Its over and done, but one mistake doesnt rule out a useful way to government people. The church use to teach subsidiarity, but its quickly moving away from it.

 

[Expatreprocedit]

Back before Obama care I was earning $40,000 a year, I had great health care. Is $40,000 a year wealthy? I know people earning $30,000 a year that had full healthcare coverage.

You know what they say about democracy, it two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for dinner. So tyrany of the masses is OK? Yet in Cuba, it is claimed they have a better health care system than the USA. The stronger the central government, the worse lives the people have to live.

You probably had great health insurance through your employer. A lot of people don’t have that, through no fault of their own.

One class having access to health care to attend to their minor needs while others lack basic health care is thoroughly unChristian, period.

 

[SWolf]

You probably had great health insurance through your employer. A lot of people don’t have that, through no fault of their own.

One class having access to health care to attend to their minor needs while others lack basic health care is thoroughly unChristian, period.

How many millions lost their basic health care coverage due to the ACA? Was that Christian?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

How many millions lost their basic health care coverage due to the ACA? Was that Christian?

Most lost lousy policies because those insurance companies refused to upgrade to the regulations that protected the consumer. Prior to ACA, insurance companies could drop a customer when they got a costly illness, even though their premium payments were up to date. Also, they could refuse to insure the children of an insured parent, who’s child had a health issue like cerebral palsy.

However, they were able to buy good health insurance policies through the exchange for affordable prices.

Well, in most states except the red states which balked at the ACA and punished their own people so they’d hate the ACA and blame Obama for it.

Jim

 

[ProVobis]

HUH? our education system in the 50’s was much better than it is today.

You’re right about that. Recently there was a sample of a test given to 8th graders back in the early 20th century and it’s astonishing how much they had been expected to know back then. And that was way before the internet.

Today, in spite of the internet, American reading, math, and science scores continue to fall with respect to other countries. Heck many can’t even speak one language in contrast to several languages many in other countries speak.

 

[philipl]

As Somalia with its fully non-functioning government - a libertarian haven no doubt - amply demonstrates…

Somalia has 100% anarchy. Here is a great video.

youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0

 

[philipl]

You probably had great health insurance through your employer. A lot of people don’t have that, through no fault of their own.

One class having access to health care to attend to their minor needs while others lack basic health care is thoroughly unChristian, period.

I know there are lots of people that dont have health care. I am proving, its not only the wealthy that can afford health care.

 

[philipl]

Did you go to public school or private school ?

If you went to private school and had the means of paying for tuition, thank God. But keep in mind, not everyone is in that position.

Do you have a job which provides health insurance for you and your family ? If you do, thank God, but not everyone is in that position, try to understand that.

Jim

You wrote that only the wealthy can afford health care or an education. only the wealthy go to private schools? Only the wealthy go into a hospital?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You wrote that only the wealthy can afford health care or an education. only the wealthy go to private schools? Only the wealthy go into a hospital?

The point is that it is because of public schools, most Americans are educated and educated well.

There are problems with public schools, especially the inner city schools, but not because public school is failing, but because the cultures in those areas are failing, i.e. broken homes without fathers, little parental involvement and kids having to endure gang bullying in school.

Jim

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

“Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor will also cry out and not be answered.”
~ Proverbs 21:13

Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system on earth. If we truly want to help the poor, we should strive to increase the number of people with the opportunity to live in free market economies.

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

You’re right about that. Recently there was a sample of a test given to 8th graders back in the early 20th century and it’s astonishing how much they had been expected to know back then. And that was way before the internet.

Today, in spite of the internet, American reading, math, and science scores continue to fall with respect to other countries. Heck many can’t even speak one language in contrast to several languages many in other countries speak.

America’s public education system started declining rapidly after the creation of the Federal Dept. Of Education.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system on earth. If we truly want to help the poor, we should strive to increase the number of people with the opportunity to live in free market economies.

Bridled capitalism did.

Unbridled capitalism is as oppressive as communism.

Jim

 

[ProVobis]

Bridled capitalism did.

Unbridled capitalism is as oppressive as communism.

Jim

We have an unbridled Fed which feeds the banks and produces more than enough capital. Would you suggest we disband it altogether?

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

Bridled capitalism did.

Unbridled capitalism is as oppressive as communism.

Jim

What does that even mean. Do you know what capitalism is?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

What does that even mean. Do you know what capitalism is?

I do.

But lets be on the same page with the definition:

cap·i·tal·ism
ˈkapədlˌizəm/
noun
noun: capitalism

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Profiteers will exploit their workers as they did in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and they could care less about the damage they do to the environment. Their only goal is making money, period.

It’s what drove creation of unions.

It’s why we have labor laws and laws which prohibits monopolization by large corporations.

It’s why we have laws against polluting the environment which owners of companies did.

Capitalism is the better option than communism, but unbridled capitalism will become oppressive, and we’re moving closer and closer to that day once again.

Heck, who caused the economic collapses in 1929 and 2008? Not the government, but the unregulated banks and investing firms.

Jim

 

[stinkcat_14]

No its not, but demanding that Government takes from those who have something to give to those who have less, is Communism.

What about when the government takes from people who have less and gives to people who have more, is that communism as well?

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

I do.

But lets be on the same page with the definition:

Profiteers will exploit their workers as they did in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and they could care less about the damage they do to the environment. Their only goal is making money, period.

It’s what drove creation of unions.

It’s why we have labor laws and laws which prohibits monopolization by large corporations.

It’s why we have laws against polluting the environment which owners of companies did.

Capitalism is the better option than communism, but unbridled capitalism will become oppressive, and we’re moving closer and closer to that day once again.

Heck, who caused the economic collapses in 1929 and 2008? Not the government, but the unregulated banks and investing firms.

Jim

Both economic collapses you mentioned were primarily due to government meddling in trade and financial markets.

Based on the definition you provided, we can see that bridled capitalism hurts more people than unbridled capitalism. Free people create more and share more, which is why the biggest health problem among the poor in America is obesity.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Both economic collapses you mentioned were primarily due to government meddling in trade and financial markets.

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I knew you’d say this.

Repeal of Glass-Steagall Caused the Financial Crisis

The repeal of the law separating commercial and investment banking caused the 2008 financial crisis.

usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis

It was the capitalist who lobbied congress to repeal Glass-Steagal.

It was capitalists who lobbied congress to get tax loop holes which allowed them to invest overseas while getting tax credits for doing so, at the cost to Americans who lost their jobs.

The US government and presidency are owned by capitalists who create the laws that allows them to avoid paying taxes.

Jim

 

[stinkcat_14]

I knew you’d say this.

Repeal of Glass-Steagall Caused the Financial Crisis

The repeal of the law separating commercial and investment banking caused the 2008 financial crisis.

usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis

It was the capitalist who lobbied congress to repeal Glass-Steagal.

It was capitalists who lobbied congress to get tax loop holes which allowed them to invest overseas while getting tax credits for doing so, at the cost to Americans who lost their jobs.

The US government and presidency are owned by capitalists who create the laws that allows them to avoid paying taxes.

Jim

The truth is there were many causes of the financial crisis and it is difficult to determine which one is most important. If it were just banks giving loans to poor people it would have been a minor speed bump, since there are not that many poor people and they don’t buy the expensive houses. The problem is, even the jumbo lenders went under and the government had no way to force them to make loans. Also, the government had no role in Lehman Brothers going belly up either. I do agree that big corporations have disparate influence on our policy making. Nobody is representing the little guy to the government.