Concerned Roman Catholics Call on Knights of Columbus to Expel Pro-Abortion Politicians

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Of course, not.

“…Perversely, the K of C has welcomed to its ranks a great number of pro-abortion and pro-homosexual politicians in exchange for a charitable tax-free status on its life insurance business. The charitable work is done, and most of the money is raised, by volunteer K of C members at local and state level - while Supreme Knight Carl Anderson received $1,120,045 in K of C compensation last year”

$1,120 K isn’t bad pay for Carl Anderson. Here’s the rest of the article: christiannewswire.com/news/568387358.html
 
mdzialo said:
Of course, not.

"…Perversely, the K of C has welcomed to its ranks a great number of pro-abortion and pro-homosexual politicians in exchange for a charitable tax-free status on its life insurance business. The charitable work is done, and most of the money is raised, by volunteer K of C members at local and state level - while Supreme Knight Carl Anderson received $1,120,045 in K of C compensation last year"

$1,120 K isn’t bad pay for Carl Anderson. Here’s the rest of the article: christiannewswire.com/news/568387358.html
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One question and one comment. How is it reasoned that the decision not to expel these politicians is “in exchange” for tax-free status? Were they previously not tax-free and recently made a deal to become tax-free…but only if they don’t expel pro-choice politicians? When someone wishes to join the Knights, they must be a “practical Catholic.” A good description of that is here: stbenedictkofc.org/practical.htm . They can be denied entry if someone knows that they aren’t a practical Catholic, but I don’t know what the policy is for kicking someone out if they later show they aren’t. The article also complains that the Archbishops need to excommunicate these politicians, but they aren’t doing that.

As far as the Supreme Knight’s compensation, it doesn’t come from the charitable work and money raised by Knights. It comes primarily from running a very large insurance business. The money raised by Knights for charities doesn’t get sent to Supreme. All Knights pay dues, but they aren’t that large.

Now, before you take issue with the Knights involvement in life insurance, please understand that insurance was one of the primary reasons for forming the Knights of Columbus.
 
I didn’t know Carl Anderson is really just an insurance executive, then. He ought to mention it sometime when he’s on EWTN talking about the K of C. $1,120,045 per year for him is right in line with the rest of the boys.
 
mdzialo said:
I didn’t know Carl Anderson is really just an insurance executive, then. He ought to mention it sometime when he’s on EWTN talking about the K of C. $1,120,045 per year for him is right in line with the rest of the boys.
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He is both insurance executive (Fortune ranks the KofC Insurance organization as #967 in their Top 1000 businesses)* and leader of the charitable organization. He also, this is only rumor mind you, can walk and chew gum at the same time. 😉 😃
 
The K of C can not read the hearts of man nor does it have authority over men’s souls – that is reserved for our church leaders according to scripture (Heb. 13:7,17).

The K of C follows the lead of the Catholic Church in these matters. If the Church allows a Pro-Abortion Politician to receive our Lord in the Eucharist, then who is the K of C to expel him? But if the Church excommunicates someone, they will also be expelled by the K of C.
 
Sir_Knight said:
The K of C follows the lead of the Catholic Church in these matters. If the Church allows a Pro-Abortion Politician to receive our Lord in the Eucharist, then who is the K of C to expel him? But if the Church excommunicates someone, they will also be expelled by the K of C.
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That’s my understanding, as well. That’s why I mentioned the call in the article on the Archbishops. There was no mention that they have not excommunicated the politicians in order to maintain the Catholic Church’s tax-free status. 😉

Do you know if expelling members only in the case of excommunication is set policy somewhere? Are there other reasons we can expel members (e.g. scandallous behavior)? If there are, then the CRCOA may have a case.
 
The bishops put the onus on individuals and individuals put the onus back on bishops. Of course, I won’t hold my breath waiting for all the bishops to find their collective backbone … not waiting for bishops …or legislators, either, for that matter.

So then, forty five million dead and we can safely add the “Knights” to the list of those who can’t do anything, too.

But they can sell insurance and pay the top guy $1,140,045 a year.

Not my idea of “Knights.”

It seems like it’s not the kind of group that would excite my interest.
 
mdzialo said:
The bishops put the onus on individuals and individuals put the onus back on bishops. Of course, I won’t hold my breath waiting for all the bishops to find their collective backbone … not waiting for bishops …or legislators, either, for that matter.

So then, forty five million dead and we can safely add the “Knights” to the list of those who can’t do anything, too.

But they can sell insurance and pay the top guy $1,140,045 a year.

Not my idea of “Knights.”

It seems like it’s not the kind of group that would excite my interest.
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That’s too bad. They are a great organization who have done a lot for the Pro-Life movement, as well as supporting vocations, the Pope (including the Popemobile), paying for Vatican broadcasts, assisting parishes, etc. But, I can see why none of that would excite you. 😛

They happen to offer fantastic life insurance to their members and members’ immediate family members (until the kids are 18). I’m not sure why that would bother you.
 
Hmmmm…my H recently joined the K of C…we will watch this situation carefully…of course as I understand it the Bishops must take responsibility in this matter as well but, well, like others have said…I’m not holding my breath!:rolleyes: :mad:
 
mdzialo said:
The bishops put the onus on individuals and individuals put the onus back on bishops. Of course, I won’t hold my breath waiting for all the bishops to find their collective backbone … not waiting for bishops …or legislators, either, for that matter.

So then, forty five million dead and we can safely add the “Knights” to the list of those who can’t do anything, too.

But they can sell insurance and pay the top guy $1,140,045 a year.

Not my idea of “Knights.”

It seems like it’s not the kind of group that would excite my interest.
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What is your idea of a Knight? Someone who passes there own judgment on a person in contradiction to what the church says?

If the church says that someone is in good standing, do you want the K of C to say that the Church is wrong and that person is not in good standing?
 
If you want to understand the Knight’s stance on abortion, contraception, family etc. you really need to read their monthly publication, “Columbia Magazine.” Before the K. of C. offered insurance it was almost impossible for a catholic working man to have any. One has to remember that the insurance business has changed a lot since the late part of the 19th Century.

It is true that the K. of C. are very close to the Pope, Bishops, Priests, and Vowed Religous of the Catholic Church. That would be obvious to anyone who read half a dozen or so issues of Columbia.

mdzialo has a very limited understanding of the Knights of Columbus and the good they do for the Church, the family, the nation, and the world. His concern about the many innocents lost to abortion is to be applauded, but to say that the Knights are pro-choice or pro-abortion is an absolute canard. I have been a member for over 40 years and believe me, I know! 👍 .
 
Fact:

Two-thirds of K of C members who serve in the Massachusetts legislature recently voted in favor or a proposal to expand “buffer zones” outside abortion clinics, while more than three-quarters voted against a constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage.
 
mdzialo said:
Fact:

Two-thirds of K of C members who serve in the Massachusetts legislature recently voted in favor or a proposal to expand “buffer zones” outside abortion clinics, while more than three-quarters voted against a constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage.
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And the Church, who according to scripture, is charged with the authority over their souls, says that they are in good standing with the church. Under what grounds is the K of C to tell the Catholic Church that it is wrong?
 
rlg94086 said:
That’s my understanding, as well. That’s why I mentioned the call in the article on the Archbishops. There was no mention that they have not excommunicated the politicians in order to maintain the Catholic Church’s tax-free status. 😉

Do you know if expelling members only in the case of excommunication is set policy somewhere? Are there other reasons we can expel members (e.g. scandallous behavior)? If there are, then the CRCOA may have a case.
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¶ XVIII §162 of the K of C by-laws lists the reasons that a member can be suspended or expelled from the order. 😉
 
Sir_Knight said:
¶ XVIII §162 of the K of C by-laws lists the reasons that a member can be suspended or expelled from the order. 😉
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Grazi.

So, the only pertinent item would be:
angelfire.com/fl5/kofcfletch/Charter_Constitution.pdf
XVIII Sec. 162:
SEC. 162. Any member of the Order who after trial, excepting where it is provided that no trial shall be had, shall be found guilty of the conduct specified in the subdivisions following shall be fined, suspended or expelled as set forth therein, to wit:
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Giving Scandal
7. Giving scandal, scandalous conduct or practice unbecoming a member of this Order; suspension or expulsion.
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I guess that could be loosely interpretted as being reason to expel the politicians.

There is also this section…
XVIII Sec. 168:
Ipso Facto Forfeiture — Members
SEC. 168. Any member of this Order shall, ipso facto, forfeit his membership in the Order —
Failure to Remain a Practical Catholic
  1. Who shall fail to remain a practical Catholic in union with the Holy See.
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…however, as already mentioned, if the Church hasn’t excommunicated the individual, it would be inappropriate for the KofC to make such a determination. This sounds more like the case where someone has left the Church but still tries to stay in the KofC.

BTW…if any politicians were expelled, the reasons would not be divulged. If they were, the person doing so could be expelled.
XVIII Sec. 162:
Divulging Cause of Rejection
3. Stating or divulging the cause or manner of the rejection of any applicant, except to officers entitled to knowledge; suspension or expulsion.
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mdzialo said:
Fact:
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Fact*:

Being a sinner disqualifies a man neither from membership in the Knights of Columbus nor from membership in the Catholic Church.

(* A fact for which I, a sinner, am frequently grateful)

SK tee
DD PA104
PGK #3530
 
rlg94086 said:
LOL…you are correct: “A practical Catholic is one who is in union with the Holy See and who practices the precepts of the Catholic Church.”

SK Robert
FA (former agent)
PGN (PG Nothin’ 😉 )
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I am currently a (3rd degree) member of the KoC.

My KoC dues were used to purchase protestant study guides on “forgiveness” for a ministry to Catholics that I am involved in. As expected, the protestant concept of “forgiveness” does not include the Sacrament of Reconciliation. :mad:

Additionally, the majority of Knights that I know actively and vocally dissent from the Church teaching on contraception. :mad:

I’m sure there are faithful Catholics in my council, but they appear to be a minority. I am no longer comfortable with my involvement with the KoC. 😦
 
1holycatholic said:
I am currently a (3rd degree) member of the KoC.

My KoC dues were used to purchase protestant study guides on “forgiveness” for a ministry to Catholics that I am involved in. As expected, the protestant concept of “forgiveness” does not include the Sacrament of Reconciliation. :mad:

Additionally, the majority of Knights that I know actively and vocally dissent from the Church teaching on contraception. :mad:

I’m sure there are faithful Catholics in my council, but they appear to be a minority. I am no longer comfortable with my involvement with the KoC. 😦
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Wow, that is terrible. I haven’t experienced anything like it in the KofC. Is this a reflection of your parish? IOW…I take it you aren’t in Traditional and/or Orthodox Catholic central?
 
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