Concerned Roman Catholics Call on Knights of Columbus to Expel Pro-Abortion Politicians

[1holycatholic]

Wow, that is terrible. I haven’t experienced anything like it in the KofC. Is this a reflection of your parish? IOW…I take it you aren’t in Traditional and/or Orthodox Catholic central?

My wife and I live in an affluent suburb. RCIA was OK, though some of the materials from St. Anthony Messenger Press were questionable.

In one homily the pastor explained how divorced Catholics were able to receive communion provided they haven’t entered another putative marriage without obtaining an annulment. On the way out to the car the woman walking in front of us was telling her children how Pope Benedict was “out of touch.”

In the four years I have been going to Mass, I don’t ever recall hearing any homilies on sexual ethics. Considering what happens to clergy who do, I’m not surprised.

I don’t know what other parishioners believe unless they tell me. I don’t quiz anyone. Somewhere between 3/4 and 2/3 of the parishioners don’t bother to attend Mass or financially support the Parish or Diocese. Of those that do attend Mass I have heard a significant number vocally dissent from the Church, especially on issues of sexual morality.

I would think my Parish is typical for American Catholics. We’re no St. Joan of Arc.

I’m not going to skip Mass because of dissenters. I believe everything the Church teaches. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t go at all.

KoC is voluntary. I am not comfortable associating with those who openly dissent from the Church.

 

[tee_eff_em]

In one homily the pastor explained how divorced Catholics were able to receive communion provided they haven’t entered another putative marriage without obtaining an annulment.

With the exception that I would use the word “attempted” rather than “entered”, what is wrong with that?

tee

 

[rlg94086]

My wife and I live in an affluent suburb. RCIA was OK, though some of the materials from St. Anthony Messenger Press were questionable.

In one homily the pastor explained how divorced Catholics were able to receive communion provided they haven’t entered another putative marriage without obtaining an annulment. On the way out to the car the woman walking in front of us was telling her children how Pope Benedict was “out of touch.”

In the four years I have been going to Mass, I don’t ever recall hearing any homilies on sexual ethics. Considering what happens to clergy who do, I’m not surprised.

I don’t know what other parishioners believe unless they tell me. I don’t quiz anyone. Somewhere between 3/4 and 2/3 of the parishioners don’t bother to attend Mass or financially support the Parish or Diocese. Of those that do attend Mass I have heard a significant number vocally dissent from the Church, especially on issues of sexual morality.

I would think my Parish is typical for American Catholics. We’re no St. Joan of Arc.

I’m not going to skip Mass because of dissenters. I believe everything the Church teaches. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t go at all.

KoC is voluntary. I am not comfortable associating with those who openly dissent from the Church.

I’m really sorry to hear that. It sounds like the area where I converted. I didn’t join the Knights until I had moved into a more orthodox area and understanding of the Church (actually the association with the KofC helped me in my understanding…a lot).

If your local KofC is like that, I can understand how you feel. Maybe you should seek out a third order like Opus Dei. They may not meet at your parish, but hopefully there are some members nearby.

BTW…tee, and your pastor, are correct. A divorced person can receive the Eucharist, as long as they remain single and chaste…and are in a state of grace, of course.

 

[Sir_Knight]

I am currently a (3rd degree) member of the KoC.

My KoC dues were used to purchase protestant study guides on “forgiveness” for a ministry to Catholics that I am involved in. As expected, the protestant concept of “forgiveness” does not include the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Additionally, the majority of Knights that I know actively and vocally dissent from the Church teaching on contraception.

I’m sure there are faithful Catholics in my council, but they appear to be a minority. I am no longer comfortable with my involvement with the KoC.

The Knights of Columbus takes good men and turns them into better men but it needs something to work with. If your parish is supplying members that are not completely in line with church teaching and not fully supportive of the church (* ’ … On the way out to the car the woman walking in front of us was telling her children how Pope Benedict was “out of touch.” … ’ *), it doesn’t have a good starting point to work with.

 

[JaMc]

I believe it is up to the council to expel a member, on the grounds allowed for expulsion, not Supreme. If there was an openly pro-abortion politician in my council, you can bet I’d have the Advocate look into getting him removed. Luckily, the closest to “politicians” in my council are a former Sheriff, and myself (candidate for County Prosecutor), and we are both 100% pro life.

 

[rien]

IMO the KoC is politically correct. It reflects the local church - whether liberal or orthodox. It has no catechitical foundation IMO. It does not IMO have any over-arching orthodox foundation anymore or sense. Its why it is another group, like Catholic Charities, I will not contribute to.

 

[rlg94086]

IMO the KoC is politically correct. It reflects the local church - whether liberal or orthodox. It has no catechitical foundation IMO. It does not IMO have any over-arching orthodox foundation anymore or sense. Its why it is another group, like Catholic Charities, I will not contribute to.

IMO your opinion is worth almost as much as you contribute to Catholic Charities and the KofC.

 

[rlg94086]

IMO the KoC is politically correct. It reflects the local church - whether liberal or orthodox. It has no catechitical foundation IMO. It does not IMO have any over-arching orthodox foundation anymore or sense. Its why it is another group, like Catholic Charities, I will not contribute to.

Ignorance is no basis for opinion.

marketwatch.com/news/story/knights-columbus-adopt-resolution-opposing/story.aspx?guid=%7BE7D04313-D632-41F6-8F3C-49572F23EE87%7D&dist=hppr

Delegates to the annual international convention of the Knights of Columbus today adopted a resolution opposing “any governmental action or policy that promotes abortion, embryonic stem cell research, human cloning, euthanasia, assisted suicide and other offenses against life.”

The delegates also challenged “our fellow Catholics who are elected officials to be true to the faith they claim to profess by acting bravely and publicly in defense of life, affirming with Pope Benedict XVI that ‘there can be no room for purely private religion.’”

The resolution stated that the organization reaffirms its “commitment to building a culture of life by promoting policies that favor the family,” and reaffirmed the organization’s “long standing policy of not inviting to any Knights of Columbus event persons, especially public officials or candidates for public office, who do not support the legal protection of unborn children.”

The resolution on life issues follows by several days the opening convention address by Supreme Knight Carl A. Anderson, in which he called on Catholic voters to “stop accommodating pro-abortion politicians,” and encouraged them to “say ‘no’ to every candidate of every political party who supports abortion.”

Convention delegates adopted resolutions dealing with other public policy issues as well, including defense of marriage, religious liberty, the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, decency on the Internet and in the media, Catholic education, and the Pledge of Allegiance. The texts of all the resolutions can be found at:

 

[1holycatholic]

With the exception that I would use the word “attempted” rather than “entered”, what is wrong with that?

tee

Nothing. The pastor was correct. The other parishioner’s reaction was out of line.

I know what you mean about attempted, which is why I said putative. I think we mean the same thing. You aren’t free to get married if you are already in a valid marriage.

 

[peregrinus_WA]

I believe that they should be excommunicated as does the pastor of my parish.

 

[Cactus]

The Knights are very solid in their devotion to the Church. Check out these publications of the Order: http://kofc.org/un/eb/en/publications/cis/publications/veritas/list.html

There are sinners among us, to be sure. Whether or not these politicians are members in good standing is not said. I rather doubt they take an active role in their councils. If you don’t like what your council is doing- take an active role and always be ready to offer a positive alternative. If you will get in there, roll up your sleeves and help make things happen, you can see a lot of growth take place.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Nothing. The pastor was correct. The other parishioner’s reaction was out of line.

I see. I must have misunderstood precisely who your pastor is…

In one homily the pastor explained how divorced Catholics were able to receive communion provided they haven’t entered another putative marriage without obtaining an annulment. On the way out to the car the woman walking in front of us was telling her children how

Pope Benedict

was “out of touch.”

tee

 

[1holycatholic]

I see. I must have misunderstood precisely who your pastor is…




tee

Those who disagree with Church teaching often criticize the Pope.

 

[gakroeger]

If you really want to know where the Knights of Columbus and Carl Anderson stand on the Life issue, watch the entire video of the convention in Quebec at the link below. If you don’t have two hours, scan the last part where Carl Anderson makes a stronger stand against voting for pro abortion candidates then any Bishop I have heard speak on the issue.

kofc.org/eb/en/convention_2008/video/index.html