concerns about freemasonry

[riffer791]

iv been reading the marian movement of priests book “to the priests” and one message in it that i found quite interesting was the one titled “the beast like a leopard” in which our Blessed Mother reaveals that the black beast described in the book of revalations is symbolic of freemasonry, which is subtley and covertly setting itself in opposition to the ten commandments of God, and the practice of christian virtue.
it got me wondering if any connection can be made between the increasingly athiest, and seemingly satanic agenda being pushed through, advertising, clothing design, tv, movies etc, and freemason corprate success.
i dont want to sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist, but i know the messages in the marian movement of priests book have been approved as trustworthy by the church and im inclined to agree.
so im curious about peoples opinions on this.

 

[Mark_David]

iv been reading the marian movement of priests book “to the priests” and one message in it that i found quite interesting was the one titled “the beast like a leopard” in which our Blessed Mother reaveals that the black beast described in the book of revalations is symbolic of freemasonry, which is subtley and covertly setting itself in opposition to the ten commandments of God, and the practice of christian virtue.
it got me wondering if any connection can be made between the increasingly athiest, and seemingly satanic agenda being pushed through, advertising, clothing design, tv, movies etc, and freemason corprate success.
i dont want to sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist, but i know the messages in the marian movement of priests book have been approved as trustworthy by the church and im inclined to agree.
so im curious about peoples opinions on this.

Absolutely - though I would use the umbrella term “Illuminati” here, which seems to be the common link between these powerful secret societies. There’s enough evidence to suggest that what you’ve stated is indeed the case. For instance, occult symbolism plagues popular culture (the so-called “hidden-in-plain-sight” technique). Once you learn the signs, you’ll spot them in lots of entertainment, where you never would have otherwise: movies, music (Lady Gaga is a poster-girl for the Illuminati), book covers, magazines, everywhere. I’m no conspiracy theorist; it’s not an area that fascinates me like some folks (and yes, it does appeal to many a crank), but I do believe that there’s more to all this than fables, paranoia and craziness. The Eye of Horus is a common symbol; the emphasis of one eye. Ever noticed the trend in music videos of covering one eye, or when only half a face is shown on a DVD or book cover? This isn’t just an aesthetic thing. Deniers, of course, will insist that this is all coincidence, or that you’re linking unrelated things - but the evidence is there, right in front of us. It’s too frequent to be coincidence. However, I have noticed that it’s been toned down in the past year or so since being exposed widely on the internet. Coincidence again?

 

[riffer791]

youtube.com/watch?v=_G8_odZk-WA

youtube.com/watch?v=tmmdpr_Yk3Q

yeah its not hard to find evidence of a masonic and satanic influence on the world. i think more should be done to expose this. and a more decicated obediance to the instructions of our Heavenly Mother by catholics is called for.

 

[GeorgeTheWild]

:banghead:
It’s disappointing when people are so afraid of an organization they don’t understand.

Freemasonry is not organized such that they can have the influence that some people claim they have on society. Each grand lodge is independent of the others, and there is no worldwide governing body of grand lodges. Not all of the grand lodges even recognize each other.

I also can’t see how one could believe that freemasonry is evil or satanic given the immense amount of charity work that the many freemason organizations perform. The Shiner’s children hospitals alone have an endowment of over $5 billion and have helped thousands of children!!

Also, if freemasonry and the Knights Templar were so evil, the Catholic Church would not have copied the Knights Templar almost exactly when they formed the Knights of Columbus in 1882. They even wear the same silly feathered hats and have degrees based on morality like the Masons and Templars.

I can understand if you disagree with the freemasons authority to teach morality or their requirement of their members to swear oaths. However, I can’t understand randomly attributing evil intentions to charitable organizations based on poorly evidenced conspiracy theories and supposed symbolism.

 

[LOCO]

:banghead:

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Also, if freemasonry and the Knights Templar were so evil, the Catholic Church would not have copied the Knights Templar almost exactly when they formed the Knights of Columbus in 1882. They even wear the same silly feathered hats and have degrees based on morality like the Masons and Templars. ***

Wearing similar hats and gaining degrees in morality makes them alike. That’s like saying ‘anyone who speaks German, is white and lived during WWII is a Nazi’.
I can understand if you disagree with the freemasons authority to teach morality or their requirement of their members to swear oaths. However, I can’t understand randomly attributing evil intentions to charitable organizations based on poorly evidenced conspiracy theories and supposed symbolism.*

Why is Freemasonry incompatible with Christianity?

Freemasonry is incompatible with Christianity because it promotes indifferentism. The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference.

Indifferentism is the heretical belief that all religions are equally legitimate attempts to explain the truth about God which, but for the truth of His existence, are unexplainable. Such a view makes all truths relative and holds that God can be equally pleased with truth and error. Because Christians believe that God has definitively revealed Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, and desires that all men come to the knowledge of this truth, indifferentism is incompatible with Christian faith. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6).

Freemasonry’s teachings and practices also result in syncretism which is the blending of different religious beliefs into a unified whole. This is evidenced most especially by Masonry’s religious rituals which gather men of all faiths around a common altar, and place all religious writings along side the Bible on the Masonic altar. This is also demonstrated by the Lodge’s prayers and its unique names and symbols for God and heaven. Syncretism is the logical consequence of indifferentism.

The Lodge’s practice of requiring its members to swear immoral oaths is also incompatible with Christianity. These oaths require a Christian to swear on the Holy Bible that he will uphold a code of moral conduct that prefers Masons over non-Masons, and to preserve secret passwords and handshakes. Such oaths are gravely immoral because their subject matter is trivial or does not give rise to the necessity of an oath. These oaths are also sworn under symbolic, blood-curdling penalties of physical torture and death called self-curses (e.g., having my throat cut across, and my tongue torn out by its roots). These penalties show a lack of respect for God and amount to blasphemy which is a serious sin.

I also can’t see how one could believe that freemasonry is evil or satanic given the immense amount of charity work that the many freemason organizations perform. The Shiner’s children hospitals alone have an endowment of over $5 billion and have helped thousands of children!!

Lift the veil from your eyes and do some research. Donating to charity does not automatically make you ‘good’. Look at why someone or an organisation donates to charity? Do they do it anonymously? Have they invited the media or publicised themselves to promote their actions? If so, then they have received their earthly rewards.

The Shriners are an organisation of 32nd degree or York Rite Masons who are best known for their red fezzes, little motor cars and circus parades. The Shrine is also known for its hospitals and other philanthropic activities. Masons call the Shrine the “playground of Freemasonry.” Most of the public is unaware of the fact that all Shriners are Master Masons (but not all Masons are Shriners).

Like the previous Masonic degrees, candidates for the Shrine are initiated with a solemn religious ceremony at the local Mosque (the Islamic gathering place of the Shrine). All candidates, including Christians, must swear an oath to Allah on the Koran declaring that they would be worthy of having their eyeballs pierced to the center with a three-inch blade, their feet flayed, and forced to walk the hot sands of the sterile shores of the Red Sea, where the flaming sun shall strike them with a livid plague, rather than to violate their Shriner Masonic oath.

 

[Rabbity]

I agree with GeorgeTheWild. The characterization of FMs as being Satanic or whatever is false and unfair.

And isn’t this a banned topic anyway?

 

[Rawb]

I also can’t see how one could believe that freemasonry is evil or satanic given the immense amount of charity work that the many freemason organizations perform. The Shiner’s children hospitals alone have an endowment of over $5 billion and have helped thousands of children!!

Personally I don’t really care, it’s enough for me that my church forbids membership to never step foot near a Mason ‘temple’ or what have you, but certainly you must realize what you’re saying here. People serving Satan are perfectly capable of doing charity work.

Not that I’m saying necessarily that mason serve Satan. As I said, I don’t really give a hoot. I just wanted to point out a flaw in the argument.

Also, if freemasonry and the Knights Templar were so evil, the Catholic Church would not have copied the Knights Templar almost exactly when they formed the Knights of Columbus in 1882. They even wear the same silly feathered hats and have degrees based on morality like the Masons and Templars.

Is there another group called the Knights Templar? Because they were a Catholic Order. They’re perfectly Roman Catholic.

 

[Sonic]

It’s time to interject some truth concerning Freemasonry into this topic.

I have been interested in the history of fraternal organizations since I was in high school. I’ve read quite a lot on the subject. What I always do is point mason and non-mason alike to this book published by Ignatius Press. It is the most fair and balanced text on the subject, and does not indulge in any of the strange conspiracy theories that have been floated around on the subject.

Christianity and American Freemasonry by William J. Whalen
ignatius.com/Products/CHAF-P/christianity-and-american-freemasonry.aspx

EWTN has graciously published three important chapters from Whalen’s book. I post them in the order they appear in the book. There is much more in this text worth reading (including the reasons why Eastern Orthodox and various Protestant denominations have asked their members not to join the Freemasons).

Chapter 5: The Masonic Religion

ewtn.com/library/newage/masonrel.txt

Chapter 8: Catholic Attitudes Toward The Lodge

ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/PACONDEM.TXT

Chapter 11: The Christian and the Lodge

ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/CHRLODGE.TXT

 

[Sonic]

Also, if freemasonry and the Knights Templar were so evil, the Catholic Church would not have copied the Knights Templar almost exactly when they formed the Knights of Columbus in 1882. They even wear the same silly feathered hats and have degrees based on morality like the Masons and Templars.

No, the K of C was not modeled after the Order of the Knights Templar in the York Rite. The only similarity was the costume and nothing more. Nor will you find any similarity in ritual or content found in any of the Scottish Rite degrees legendarily associated with the Templars. This is an old canard as anyone knowledgeable of the actual K of C degrees knows better. I would call this a masonic urban myth, because the claim has no basis in fact despite the fact. Yet, some masons keep repeating it in order to try and prove the K of C is really just a form of masonry labeled “Catholic”.

 

[Sonic]

The Shriners are an organisation of 32nd degree or York Rite Masons who are best known for their red fezzes, little motor cars and circus parades. The Shrine is also known for its hospitals and other philanthropic activities. Masons call the Shrine the “playground of Freemasonry.” Most of the public is unaware of the fact that all Shriners are Master Masons (but not all Masons are Shriners).

Like the previous Masonic degrees, candidates for the Shrine are initiated with a solemn religious ceremony at the local Mosque (the Islamic gathering place of the Shrine). All candidates, including Christians, must swear an oath to Allah on the Koran declaring that they would be worthy of having their eyeballs pierced to the center with a three-inch blade, their feet flayed, and forced to walk the hot sands of the sterile shores of the Red Sea, where the flaming sun shall strike them with a livid plague, rather than to violate their Shriner Masonic oath.

Let’s get our facts straight, the 32nd degree belongs to the Scottish Rite and not the York Rite. The 32nd degree of the Scottish Rite is known as the Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret. The terminal degree in the York Rite is known as the Order of the Knights Templar

Membership in the Shrine is open to both 32nd degree Scottish Rite and Order of the Knights Templar York Rite Masons.

As for the oath, that is only part of the Shriner’s oath, but the citation is accurate up to the word “plague”.

 

[Sonic]

Absolutely - though I would use the umbrella term “Illuminati” here, which seems to be the common link between these powerful secret societies.

The entire workings of the Historical Bavarian Illuminati is contained in the book Memoirs, Illustrating the History of Jacobinism by the Abbe Barruel.

Part 3 Vol. 3 The Antisocial Conspiracy describes all of Weishaupt’s Illuminati degrees (in detail) as well as his plans for utilizing his organization to ferment revolution (most of which you will find copied by later revolutionaries to this day). If you want to look for concrete similarities to present day events, I would start with this book,

 

[Sonic]

Is there another group called the Knights Templar? Because they were a Catholic Order. They’re perfectly Roman Catholic.

The historical Knights Templar:

newadvent.org/cathen/14493a.htm

THE PARCHMENT OF CHINON – THE ABSOLUTION OF POPE CLEMENT V
OF THE LEADING MEMBERS OF THE TEMPLAR ORDER
Chinon, Diocese of Tours, 1308 August 17th-20th

asv.vatican.va/en/doc/1308.htm

The following text contains a description of the actual (non-masonic) ceremony of induction into the Knights Templar:

Secret Societies of the Middle Ages, by Thomas Keightley, [1837]

sacred-texts.com/sro/sma/sma19.htm

 

[riffer791]

i dont know alot about freemasonry but im seeing alot of perverse influence being pushed onto society through pretty much every channel possible, i used to think it was the result of just athiest ignorence, as fr Corapi said when you evict God from your life, evil moves in to fill the void.
but i didnt realise it was the result of a deliberate satanic and antichrist agenda. im noticeing the subtle evidece of that. for example i seen a bit of a simpsons episode today i wasnt really paying that much attention to it but i seen a bit where in the background a large cheque being handed to somwone and i noticed on the cheque it said satan and the amount of 1 billion dollars.
freemasons if they want to clear their name should delare their membership as freemasons especialy those in positions of power, then same as it goes for anyone by their fruits we will know them. but im willing to bet they wont want to do that.

 

[prochrist1]

Knights of Columbus has a secret creed, only its members can know, they aren’t even allowed to mention anything about it to their spouse, how is that for a secret society.

 

[Mark_David]

for example i seen a bit of a simpsons episode today i wasnt really paying that much attention to it but i seen a bit where in the background a large cheque being handed to somwone and i noticed on the cheque it said satan and the amount of 1 billion dollars.

“Freemasons control the world!” - Matt Groening, unsourced

Yes, The Simpsons is loaded with masonic symbolism. Also, the “Stonecutters” are an obvious semi-parody of the cult.

 

[riffer791]

Yes, The Simpsons is loaded with masonic symbolism. Also, the “Stonecutters” are an obvious semi-parody of the cult.

still i was looking at freestyle motocross magazine at my cousins place today, seen some freemason sybolism in it. so i showed my brother and said see the freemasons are everywhere and my cousin said what are freemasons? none of them even knew what freemasonry is.

 

[Mark_David]

The entire workings of the Historical Bavarian Illuminati is contained in the book Memoirs, Illustrating the History of Jacobinism by the Abbe Barruel.

Part 3 Vol. 3 The Antisocial Conspiracy describes all of Weishaupt’s Illuminati degrees (in detail) as well as his plans for utilizing his organization to ferment revolution (most of which you will find copied by later revolutionaries to this day). If you want to look for concrete similarities to present day events, I would start with this book,

Thanks for that.

How about Lucis Trust, founded by Alice Bailey? Anyone familiar with them?

 

[riffer791]

i hadnt heard of them before, i done a bit of reading, wikipedia describes them as an honerable organisation. but there seems to be some suspicion about them. i found this article about them. i dont know how much truth there is to it.
realnews247.com/the_lucis_trust_satanism_and_the_nwo.htm
regardless, like the freemasons i dont trust them, any organisation that draws people away from the church and offers an alternative philosiphy to the truth of Christ, has its roots in evil and is a vehicle for satan and his follwers to spread deception in the world.
whats being done to unveil these organisations?
like i said in my last post my friends didnt even know who freemasons are, i love em but their pretty ignorant, and i can see in alot of ways theyve become a product of the athiest and satanic influence that theyve been bombarded with since childhood. and i can say that about most people i know.

"The task of the masonic lodges is that of working today, with great atuteness, to bring humanity evrywhere to the disdain of the holy Law of God, to work in open opposition of the Ten Commandments, and to take away the worship due to God alone, in order to offer it to certain false idols which become extolled and adored by an ever increaseing number of people: reason, flesh, money, discord, domination, violence, pleasure.

Thus souls are precipitated into the dark slavery of evil, of vice and of sinand, at the moment of death and of the judgment of God, into the pool of eternal fire which is hell.

Now you understand how, in these times, against the terrible and insidious attack of the black beast, namely of masonry, my Immaculate Heart becomes your refuge and the sure road which brings you to God. In my Immaculate Heart there is delinated the tactic made use of by your heavenly mother, to fight back against and to defeat the subtle plot made use of by the black beast.

For this reason I am training all my children to observe the Ten Commandments of God; to live the Gospel to the letter; to make frequent use of the sacraments, especially those of penance and Eucharistic Communion, as nessesary helps in order to remain in the grace of God; to practice the virtues vigourously; to walk allways along the path of goodness, of love, of purity and of holiness.

Thus i am making use of you, my little children who have consecrated yourselves to me, to unmask all those subtle snares which the black beast sets for you and to make futile in the end the great attack which masonry has launched today against Christ and his Church. And in the end, especially in his greatest defeat, there will appear in all its splendour, the triumph of my Immaculate Heart in the world."

• From the message “the beast like a leopard” in the marian movement of priests book.

 

[GeorgeTheWild]

Why is Freemasonry incompatible with Christianity?
As I said, I can understand why you feel freemasonry is incompatible with Christianity. However, I don’t think that the reasons you stated come close to making the organization even close to a satanic mastermind behind world events.

Lift the veil from your eyes and do some research. Donating to charity does not automatically make you ‘good’. Look at why someone or an organisation donates to charity? Do they do it anonymously? Have they invited the media or publicised themselves to promote their actions? If so, then they have received their earthly rewards.

As a member of neither organization, I can only profess what appears to be the truth. K of C did in fact copy many physical facets of the Knights Templar which they were bared from joining. However, since both societies keep their rights secret, it’s hard to completely compare the degrees.

Is there another group called the Knights Templar? Because they were a Catholic Order. They’re perfectly Roman Catholic.

As Sonic pointed out the medieval Knights Templar did exist during the crusades, but the members ended up being fairly universally executed. It should be noted that the modern Knights Templar do not claim a direct connection to the historic Knights Templar.

 

[EzraJacob]

LOCO:
Why is Freemasonry incompatible with Christianity?

Freemasonry is incompatible with Christianity because it promotes indifferentism. The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference.

Indifferentism is the heretical belief that all religions are equally legitimate attempts to explain the truth about God which, but for the truth of His existence, are unexplainable. Such a view makes all truths relative and holds that God can be equally pleased with truth and error. Because Christians believe that God has definitively revealed Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, and desires that all men come to the knowledge of this truth, indifferentism is incompatible with Christian faith. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6).

Freemasonry’s teachings and practices also result in syncretism which is the blending of different religious beliefs into a unified whole. This is evidenced most especially by Masonry’s religious rituals which gather men of all faiths around a common altar, and place all religious writings along side the Bible on the Masonic altar. This is also demonstrated by the Lodge’s prayers and its unique names and symbols for God and heaven. Syncretism is the logical consequence of indifferentism.

The Lodge’s practice of requiring its members to swear immoral oaths is also incompatible with Christianity. These oaths require a Christian to swear on the Holy Bible that he will uphold a code of moral conduct that prefers Masons over non-Masons, and to preserve secret passwords and handshakes. Such oaths are gravely immoral because their subject matter is trivial or does not give rise to the necessity of an oath. These oaths are also sworn under symbolic, blood-curdling penalties of physical torture and death called self-curses (e.g., having my throat cut across, and my tongue torn out by its roots). These penalties show a lack of respect for God and amount to blasphemy which is a serious sin.

I also can’t see how one could believe that freemasonry is evil or satanic given the immense amount of charity work that the many freemason organizations perform. The Shiner’s children hospitals alone have an endowment of over $5 billion and have helped thousands of children!!

Lift the veil from your eyes and do some research. Donating to charity does not automatically make you ‘good’. Look at why someone or an organisation donates to charity? Do they do it anonymously? Have they invited the media or publicised themselves to promote their actions? If so, then they have received their earthly rewards.

The Shriners are an organisation of 32nd degree or York Rite Masons who are best known for their red fezzes, little motor cars and circus parades. The Shrine is also known for its hospitals and other philanthropic activities. Masons call the Shrine the “playground of Freemasonry.” Most of the public is unaware of the fact that all Shriners are Master Masons (but not all Masons are Shriners).

Like the previous Masonic degrees, candidates for the Shrine are initiated with a solemn religious ceremony at the local Mosque (the Islamic gathering place of the Shrine). All candidates, including Christians, must swear an oath to Allah on the Koran declaring that they would be worthy of having their eyeballs pierced to the center with a three-inch blade, their feet flayed, and forced to walk the hot sands of the sterile shores of the Red Sea, where the flaming sun shall strike them with a livid plague, rather than to violate their Shriner Masonic oath.
Im sorry but I have to ask…have you ever been in a masonic lodge? I went once, before I was a practicing Catholic and it was just a social. I went with a girl i knew and her family. They had nothing remotely Arabic in the place.