concerns about freemasonry

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I was a member of the Masonic Blue Lodge when we lived in PA. There were Catholics in the lodge. At the time we were members of the ELCA which didn’t have a problem of their members becoming a mason. When we move to CA and we joined the LC-MS, there was a problem, I was told that I would have to give up membership in order to join the church. This was not a problem, I gave it up willingly.:signofcross:
 
I was a member of the Masonic Blue Lodge when we lived in PA. There were Catholics in the lodge. At the time we were members of the ELCA which didn’t have a problem of their members becoming a mason. When we move to CA and we joined the LC-MS, there was a problem, I was told that I would have to give up membership in order to join the church. This was not a problem, I gave it up willingly.:signofcross:
York Pa?
 
As a member of neither organization, I can only profess what appears to be the truth. K of C did in fact copy many physical facets of the Knights Templar which they were bared from joining. However, since both societies keep their rights secret, it’s hard to completely compare the degrees.
Catholic priests are able to examine K of C degrees. K of C degrees are not secret, and the content can be revealed if needed (provided the person examining the content agrees not to disseminate the information so as not to ruin the content for new members). In fact, if you Google hard enough you will find information where the K of C did submit reveal their degrees for examination to prove to the public there was nothing anti-protestant in them. This did not prevent an infamous fake K of C oath from being distributed in protestant churches.

All masonic degrees are widely distributed for examination and easily accessible. I have a large collection of books and monitors I’ve collected over the years. It’s not hard to research the information. Most people won’t, because fantasy and myth seems more palatable.
As Sonic pointed out the medieval Knights Templar did exist during the crusades, but the members ended up being fairly universally executed.
Universally executed? No, that’s another masonic urban myth. The Knights Templar outside of France were not arrested or executed. This is a historical fact. Afterward, the remaining Templar members entered into the other knightly orders in Portugal, Spain, Germany, England, and Scotland. It must be remembered that the Templars were a Holy Order of the Church and not a secular institution.
 
Thanks for that.

How about Lucis Trust, founded by Alice Bailey? Anyone familiar with them?
I know about them, but not through my interest in fraternal organizations. Rather, it’s through my reading into Spiritual Warfare and Exorcism.

We’d have to start another thread to keep this one from going off topic.
 
A rough translation of the Parchment of Chinon is available here. It seems the Vatican website is under maintenance. It was available last week. It may come back soon.

This is the Absolution of the Knights Templar by Pope Clement V:

inrebus.com/chinon.php
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinon_Parchment

Also, for anyone wanting to delve into the controversy and myths surrounding the Templar… as well as explore the large number of masonic and non-masonic organization that claim to be descended from the historical Catholic Holy Order of Knights… this is an interesting place.

templarhistory.com/
 
sonic, i know this is off topic but do you mind telling me how to put a picture next to my username and a quote at the bottom of my posts?
 
Thanks for your links and info by the way,
but the main reason i started this thread is because i wanted to discuss the issue of combating the anti-christian and ant-virtue influences that our Blessed Mother pointed out in her messages.
i havnt been able to get any response to that. mostly just defense of masonry, or a change of subject to templar history. so im curious, what are your opinions of Our Ladys messages in the marian movement of priests book?
 
and ill point out im not trying to cause any kind of schism, more just trying to promote devotion to our Blessed Mother and her plans to defeat satan for the glory of God and the salvation of souls.
 
I found a great site to learn about freemasonry; saintsalive.com/
This is truely an amazing site, you will learn that the upper temple of Morons practice Masonry. The Freemasons are refered to as “The black beast like a leopard.” Joining is automatic excommunication from our Lord’s Church.
Here are other sites; catholic.cephasministry.com/masonlst.html and ourlady3.tripod.com/lastmessage.htm.
Pass this on to as many people as you can! May St. Michael protect us. God Bless
 
so im curious, what are your opinions of Our Ladys messages in the marian movement of priests book?
Knowing which book you are speaking of might help everyone to answer your question. Could you post the title?

This is the best I can do without knowing the title of the book you are speaking of. It’s the writings of St Maximilian Kolbe. The Militia of the Immaculata is dedicated to praying for the conversion of Freemasons through Our Lady.

consecration.com/default.aspx?id=8
 
I found a great site to learn about freemasonry; saintsalive.com/
This is truely an amazing site, you will learn that the upper temple of Morons practice Masonry. The Freemasons are refered to as “The black beast like a leopard.” Joining is automatic excommunication from our Lord’s Church.
Here are other sites; catholic.cephasministry.com/masonlst.html and ourlady3.tripod.com/lastmessage.htm.
Pass this on to as many people as you can! May St. Michael protect us. God Bless
Cephas Ministry has been reviewed as an anti-catholic organization.

source: catholicculture.org/culture/reviews/view.cfm?recnum=2650

This is a better Catholic website with resources about freemasonry…

Scripture Catholic:
scripturecatholic.com/index.html
 
=riffer791;8033701]iv been reading the marian movement of priests book “to the priests” and one message in it that i found quite interesting was the one titled “the beast like a leopard” in which our Blessed Mother reaveals that the black beast described in the book of revalations is symbolic of freemasonry, which is subtley and covertly setting itself in opposition to the ten commandments of God, and the practice of christian virtue.
it got me wondering if any connection can be made between the increasingly athiest, and seemingly satanic agenda being pushed through, advertising, clothing design, tv, movies etc, and freemason corprate success.
i dont want to sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist, but i know the messages in the marian movement of priests book have been approved as trustworthy by the church and im inclined to agree.
so im curious about peoples opinions on this.
It certainly is a high probabalty. Satan uses many devious ways to accomplish His end goals.

God Bless,
Pat
 
Im sorry but I have to ask…have you ever been in a masonic lodge? I went once, before I was a practicing Catholic and it was just a social. I went with a girl i knew and her family. They had nothing remotely Arabic in the place.
You are totally correct; mainstream Blue Lodges have nothing remotely Arabic in their lodge rooms. The only thing you’ll find remotely religious would be a Holy Bible or depending on the make up of the lodge, a book of VSL of a particular religion or belief.
 
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The Shriners are an organisation of 32nd degree or York Rite Masons who are best known for their red fezzes, little motor cars and circus parades. The Shrine is also known for its hospitals and other philanthropic activities. Masons call the Shrine the “playground of Freemasonry.” Most of the public is unaware of the fact that all Shriners are Master Masons (but not all Masons are Shriners).

The Shrine is not a part of regular Freemasonry; rather it is a concordant body of Freemasonry where in order to be a Shriner, one must be a Master Mason. Not every Freemason is a member of the Shrine as many are only Blue Lodge members.

Interestingly enough, in my Lodge, there are no Shrine Members; only Blue Lodge members. The lodge is composed of approx 40% Catholics, including one who is also a Grand Knight of the local Chapter of the K of C. I asked him if he was aware that the church might consider this a conflict and he told me that its not that much of a big deal these days so perhaps the church is easing up on the restrictions.
 
The Shrine is not a part of regular Freemasonry; rather it is a concordant body of Freemasonry** where in order to be a Shriner, one must be a Master Mason**. Not every Freemason is a member of the Shrine as many are only Blue Lodge members.

Sounds contradictory to me.

Interestingly enough, in my Lodge, there are no Shrine Members; only Blue Lodge members. The lodge is composed of approx 40% Catholics, including one who is also a Grand Knight of the local Chapter of the K of C. I asked him if he was aware that the church might consider this a conflict and he told me that its not that much of a big deal these days so perhaps the church is easing up on the restrictions.
That is interesting. Did you swear an oath to Allah on the Koran when you became a Shriner?

If your Catholic friend is in any way involed in freemasonry he should be aware of the following:

The Catholic Church, through its Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, has formally declared that Catholics who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

This is the current teaching of the Church. He may want the Church to relax it, but that is because he wants to do as he pleases not as the Church teaches.

Masons conspicuously avoid using their rituals to defend the Lodge against Christian opposition. This is because the rituals’ teachings concerning God, salvation by works alone, resurrection and eternal life in the celestial lodge above are indefensible from a Christian perspective.

The Mason’s avoidance of using Masonic ritual to defend his craft becomes evident very quickly when one views the many Masonic web sites that have been created by Masons to defend Freemasonry. Moreover, of the many hundreds of books written about Freemasonry, there is not a single book that provides a Christian defense of the Lodge by addressing the errors of indifferentism, syncretism and immoral oaths.

Instead, the Masonic apologist generally uses an “ad hominem” argument to defend the Lodge. An ad hominem argument is an argument that attacks an opponent’s character rather than answering his contentions.

Because most of the information about Freemasonry comes from men who have left the lodge, Masons avoid addressing the rituals and instead focus entirely on attacking the former Mason’s credibility and character.

As Christians, we do not judge individual Masons or attack their character. In fact, most Masons are good and virtuous men. Instead, we judge the teachings of Masonic ritual in light of the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Church. We hope that Christian Masons will open up to us by using their Masonic rituals to explain and defend the teachings of the Lodge in the light of Christian faith.
 
You are totally correct; mainstream Blue Lodges have nothing remotely Arabic in their lodge rooms. The only thing you’ll find remotely religious would be a Holy Bible or depending on the make up of the lodge, a book of VSL of a particular religion or belief.
I dont remember finding anything religious. Though there was knight getups lol
 
The Shrine is not a part of regular Freemasonry; rather it is a concordant body of Freemasonry where in order to be a Shriner, one must be a Master Mason. Not every Freemason is a member of the Shrine as many are only Blue Lodge members.
Sounds contradictory to me.
All shrines are master masons. All master masons are part of a blue lodge. Not all master masons are shiners, and not all blue lodge members are shiners. I created a venn diagram to help: cheezburger.com/View/4914990848
As Christians, we do not judge individual Masons or attack their character. In fact, most Masons are good and virtuous men. Instead, we judge the teachings of Masonic ritual in light of the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Church. We hope that Christian Masons will open up to us by using their Masonic rituals to explain and defend the teachings of the Lodge in the light of Christian faith.
Why would you expect someone to break an oath they swore in order to satisfy your misunderstanding? It’s the same as asking an engineer to break a non disclosure agreement in order to explain the piece of technology they work on. Sure they could do it, but they’d lose their job and get sued.
 
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