Conclave could be lengthy, no obvious frontrunner [CNAU]

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Digitonomy said:
Anyone who thinks the conclave is somehow apolitical is naive. It’s a group of men, many of whom have strong ideas on which individual, or what category of individual, is best suited to lead the Church. I think “pact” is a bit strong, but I’m sure many cardinals have come to agreement that particular candidates are good choices, or that certain classes of candidates would be desirable.

If you look at members here on this board, many people have agreed that for instance a third world candidate would be good, or that an insider would be the best choice to be able to reform the curia. You don’t need a “pact” to come to agreement on a shared goal. But naturally, other cardinals will have opposite values and goals that they hold strongly. How does the College of Cardinals come to a consensus shared by 2/3 of those present? Politics!
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Forgive me for my naivete, but I would like to think that the College of Cardinals are better than a bunch of forum posters. I don’t doubt there is some politics, but I don’t think it’s wrong to expect our Cardinals to use prayer and faith to come to their decisions, not politics…ESPECIALLY given the state of our Church in these past years.
 
Lucky7 said:
Some Italian observers have surmised that Cardinals Sodano and Tarcisio Bertone - bitter rivals inside the Roman Curia for the last several years - have made a sort of non-belligerence pact to keep the non-curialists from capturing the papacy.

Am I the only one that finds this disturbing? A pact between Cardinals on who should or shouldn’t be pope? Sounds political to me.
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Which is why we’ve all been on our knees since the announcement of the pope’s resignation. Spiritual minions are present and things unseen will be hard at work.
 
mercytruth said:
Thank God for your prayerful heart. I hope this article is affirmative in your prayerful
endeavors.

themoynihanletters.com/from-the-desk-of/letter-41-pray-for-us

God’s peace be with you
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Oh thank you so much for posting this which is indeed, a confirmation of much of what is in my heart.
“It is a dangerous time. Pray for us.”
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In our busy-ness regarding worldly affairs, it is so easy to forget that the battle is really between powers and prinicipalities. I daresay the angels are milling about and two camps will be carefully watching each vote.
 
My guess is Friday. I don’t like the implication that Benedict somehow abandoned us. I pray for the cardinals and for him. And I know he is praying for the cardinals also.
 
Mrs_Sally said:
I don’t like the implication that Benedict somehow abandoned us.
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I don’t like it either and to think he made such a momentous decision without much prayer and guidance from the Holy Spirit is ludicrous.
 
As I said on another thread:

If the smoke is white at any point tomorrow, then I would say we should probably get out to celebrate either a Scola or Scherer victory with a cyber :clapping: , or perhaps Ouellet. Given that these three are the media frontrunners, it would likely mean a win for one of their “camps” so to speak. If black smoke arises tomorrow and the voting goes on to Thursday, Scola or Scherer - if media hype about them is too be believed - may have been unable to receive a two-thirds majority and so the cardinals will be looking for a compromise candidate as with the 1978 conclaves. If no pope is elected on Thursday, then we should probably look in the direction of more outside candidates such as Ravasi, O’Malley, Dolan, Tagle, Turkson or Schonborn. If no pope is elected on Friday, then we will know for sure that a compromise candidate has had to be found.

Alternatively, vaticanists might be totally wrong about Scola and Scherer’s popularity among their peers.

Just my two :twocents:
 
Mrs_Sally said:
My guess is Friday. I don’t like the implication that Benedict somehow abandoned us. I pray for the cardinals and for him. And I know he is praying for the cardinals also.
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That is one part of the article that I have trouble with and it is why I question its authenticity.
 
Tigg said:
Oh thank you so much for posting this which is indeed, a confirmation of much of what is in my heart.

In our busy-ness regarding worldly affairs, **it is so easy to forget that the battle is really between powers and prinicipalities. ** I daresay the angels are milling about and two camps will be carefully watching each vote.
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I never forget that for a moment.
 
Lucky7 said:
Is this true though? Although I don’t necessarily disagree with the message it sends, I’m skeptical.
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I have no way of knowing. One must measure the accuracy of a story by the character of and reputation of the reporter, the circumstances and related facts surrounding the story,
and whether the particular reporter seems to have an underlining agenda to his past reporting.

God’s peace
 
I say Sandri will be elected on the last ballot Thursday.

He’s the perfect compromise candidate.

Since he’s Italian the Italians will back him.

He’s mister outside and mister inside.

He’ll reform the Curia but not too much.

Latin American born of Italian parents–the Italians will love him.

Remember–you heard it here first.
 
Jerry-Jet said:
I say Sandri will be elected on the last ballot Thursday.

He’s the perfect compromise candidate.

Since he’s Italian the Italians will back him.

He’s mister outside and mister inside.

He’ll reform the Curia but not too much.

Latin American born of Italian parents–the Italians will love him.

Remember–you heard it here first.
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Very interesting analysis! 🙂 I can see that happening - kinds like Scherer is the “outsider” from Latin America but with a German name and ten thousand years of Vatican experience. 😛
 
Jerry-Jet said:
Latin American born of Italian parents–the Italians will love him.

Remember–you heard it here first.
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Well stated!😃
Lucky7 said:
I don’t think it’s wrong to expect our Cardinals to use prayer and faith to come to their decisions, not politics…ESPECIALLY given the state of our Church in these past years.
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By the time the cardinals get to this point in their career, they’ve usually done a fair bit of hiring and firing. Personnel decisions are best made with as much information as possible. How to collect such information? Talking to other cardinals at meals, sharing opinions and information. That’s all politics is.🤷

Obviously they’re going to pray about their decisions, but I think it would be sinful of them not to use their God-given talents to try to make the best choice for the Church.
 
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