To Cassini: You misrepresent the Conference on evolution as if it had the authority of the Magesterium and folks like us are bucking the Church. It doesn’t, and we aren’t.
The poetry of the Bible is indeed beautiful, but not nearly as awesome as beholding the incredible complexity of creation when it aligns perfectly with scripture. For instance, Genesis speaks of light and day and night before the formation of suns. Science is finally speaking of this as the Hubble telescope showed huge bodies of light (gaseous formations) out of which stars are forming. Genesis also speaks of 4 kinds of humanoid creatures in chapter 6: sons of God, daughters of men, the Nephilim, and their children who were different again. Science just now tells us (after a few mistakes) about Homo Sapien, Homo Erectus, Homo Heidelbergensus and Neandrathal man, who all co-existed. Religion isn’t dead and science alive. They both are very much alive, and both are consistant too, when you treat them as two sides of the truth coin.
Patrick, hope you enjoyed your Christian named Saint’s day on Tuesday. Now to business. As usual, all threads that mention the word evolution end up as a vehicle to show all the ‘proofs’ for evolution - and let us get our terms correct, for evolutionism is the ideology that thinks kinds turned into other kinds (like whales emerged from the water and became elephants, or was it the other way around, elephants took to the water and became whales). It also becomes a vehicle for amateur theologians to show just how wrong all the popes, Fathers, Doctors and saints of the Church were in interpreting the Holy Scripture for eighteen centuries. Thank God however, there are one or two who still have the faith and are not intimidated by intellectual pride that permeates throughout the Modernism that has engulfed a chaotic Church that doesn’t know a bee from a bull’s foot (literally).
as regards your idea that this conference, and that is what this thread is supposed to be about, is harmless to the faith because it doesn’t represent the magisterium of the Church, well how naive you are. First it is under the auspices of the word PONTIFICAL which means it is connected directly with the Church by way of association. Here is a list of the organisers and the committee of honour whatever that is.
Organizing Committee
Rev. Prof.Marc LECLERC SJ,
Director of the Conference, Professor of Philosophy of Nature,
Pontifical Gregorian University
Prof. Gennaro AULETTA,
Vice-Director of the Conference, Assistant Professor in Philosophy
of Sciences, Pontifical Gregorian University,
Scientific Coordinator of the STOQ Project
Dr. Valeria ASCHERI,
Researcher in Philosophy of Science,
Pontifical University of the Holy Cross
Dr. Paolo D’AMBROSIO,
Doctoral Candidate, Pontifical Gregorian University
Prof. Saverio FORESTIERO,
Assistant Professor of Zoology, University of Rome, “Tor Vergata”
Prof. Ludovico GALLENI,
Professor of Zoology, University of Pisa
Rev. Prof. RafaelMARTÍNEZ,
Professor of Philosophy of Science,
Pontifical University of the Holy Cross
Prof. GeraldMcKENNY,
Professor of Christian Ethics,
University of Notre Dame (USA)
Rev. Prof. Rafael PASCUAL LC,
Professor of Philosophy of Nature,
Pontifical Athenaeum “Regina Apostolorum”
Prof. Pietro RAMELLINI,
Professor of Biology,
Pontifical Athenaeum “Regina Apostolorum”
Prof.Massimo STANZIONE,
Professor of Philosophy of Science, University of Cassino
Rev. Tomasz TRAFNY,
Executive Coordinator of the STOQ Project,
Pontifical Council for Culture.
Committee of Honor
Archbishop Gianfranco RAVASI,
President of the Pontifical Council for Culture,
President of the Committee of Honor
Cardinal Georges COTTIER OP,
Emeritus Pro-Theologian of the Pontifical Household
Cardinal Paul POUPARD,
Emeritus President of the Pontifical Council for Culture
Cardinal Christoph SCHÖNBORN OP,
Archbishop of Vienna
Archbishop Jean-Louis BRUGUÈS,
Secretary of the Congregation for Catholic Education
Archbishop Luis LADARIA,
Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
ArchbishopMarcelo SÁNCHEZ SORONDO,
Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences
Archbishop JózefMirosław• ZYCIŃSKI,
Archbishop of Lublin
Prof.Werner ARBER,
Nobel PrizeWinner, Professor ofMolecular Genetics,
University of Basel
Prof. Nicola CABIBBO,
President of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences
Prof. Jean-Michel DERCOURT,
Secretary of the Académie des Sciences
Rev. Prof. José FUNES SJ,
Director of the Vatican Observatory
Rev. Prof. Gianfranco GHIRLANDASJ,
Rector of the Pontifical Gregorian University
Rev. Prof.Michał HELLER,
Templeton PrizeWinner, Fellow of the Pontifical Academy
of Sciences, Professor of Philosophy,
Pontifical Academy of Theology, Cracow
Sir Brian HEAP,
Vice President of the Royal Society
Prof. Robert J. RUSSELL,
Founder and Director of the Center for Theology
and the Natural Sciences, Berkeley.
Now Patrick, can you not see that this lot have the ear of the pope, or is it the other way around, for benerdict XVI invented his own evolutionary theology when rising through the ranks of the MODERN Church. The idea that today’s pope would give creationism a minutes hearing is a mutation in itself. That is why I say creationism is DEAD in the MODERN Church,
finally your own ‘science’ based exegesis of Genesis above is but another version of the theistic-evolutionist kind. ‘gaseous formations out of which stars are forming.’ This is evolution talk. They find Gas in the sky and then interpret it as stars FORMING. What it could not be are stars after BLOWING UP because that does not support evolution think.
Given that we KNOW stars do blow up the latter explanation is the only scientific one. The other is philosophical or ideological, no propaganda.
Then there is your four kinds of humanoid, oh God help spare us from such nonsense.
